CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #42

[SCHMAE]

Here is the thing. I think most everyone agrees that MR could be involved. I think he's ' probably' done something to Dylan. I do not think it's 100% . I was at 51 % and now I'm more like 80 to 90% that MR did something. So that leave 10 to 20% chance ( in my non statistician brain) that someone else is involved. MR's probable guilt in my book is A ) last one seen with child B ) tons of unaccounted for time C ) Dylan's phone going poof in the night. To take every statement he made or did not and every action he made or did not ( not buying coat, not buying enough food, driving through mcdonalds) does not make him more guilty looking. Those are just life things that happen. Haven't your kids ever needed new shoes and you could not get to the store the day they need them or had to wait until payday or GOD forbid they didn't have shoes ' cool enough' at the store you went into ? I find taking every little tidbit is muddying the waters in my head anyway. Some things are hinky but it seems we're trying to make a hink out of everything MR does or says , whether or not there is hink there. Some of the things MR does is just because he's a male and because of his other fabulous personality traits Make no mistake I'm not even insinuating that he's a nice guy . But even bad people sometimes just drive through mcd's because their kid asks them to ! MOOOOO

As for the 10 to 20% that someone ELSE is involved, I hope LE doesn't have tunnel vision on this in that regard and only looking at MR. Picture it like this, there are 10 doors and you know Dylan is behind ONE of them. You would never look through 8 or 9 doors and say well he's not here is he? That's to me about the same as only looking at MR even if he's 90% guilty. That other 10% has to be looked at too, just in case. DoubleMOOOOO

 

[SCHMAE]

Are you sure about that?? I've never heard of a father getting child support
unless they had primary custody. Elaine had primary custody of Dylan, why would she have been paying HIM child support??!!
In fact, even when they shared custody, I can't understand why he would have been getting it, so is that a fact or is it speculation? Inquiring minds want to know.

It's true TXLADY... written all over fb (which was rumor) then confirmed by MB and AZG . In that state when you have 50/ 50 over a child, the parent making more pays the other parent so that both houses have equal quality of life for the child. It's funny though because MR rarely exercised his visiting rights and it's also funny that MR made a todo about ER's career and how it was so important but it seems her important career benefited him plenty over the last 6 yrs !

 

[jadejazzkayla]

I agree totally! There is no reason for them to call him a suspect publicly. Generally speaking, LE usually considers the last known person to see a missing person a suspect or POI, until they can clear them, or gather enough evidence to arrest somebody... whether it's that person or someone else.

When they tell the public that no one has been officially cleared, that is for a reason, too. They either want to keep MR comfortable so he'll talk, or they have another alternative theory they're checking out. I doubt it, but LE doesn't close doors until they know there's nothing behind them.

Once le has determined a person is a suspect - that person legally must be mirandized before le can attempt to talk to them -and it doesn't matter if le has publicly named this person a suspect or not.

 

[Dee10]

Respectfully snipped

As for the 10 to 20% that someone ELSE is involved, I hope LE doesn't have tunnel vision on this in that regard and only looking at MR. Picture it like this, there are 10 doors and you know Dylan is behind ONE of them. You would never look through 8 or 9 doors and say well he's not here is he? That's to me about the same as only looking at MR even if he's 90% guilty. That other 10% has to be looked at too, just in case. DoubleMOOOOO

I don't disagree with you at all but I want to add another possibility. Hypothetically, IF all they need is Dylan as the one piece they are looking for to put all those small pieces of evidence together for a case, then there is no reason to waste time looking for someone else, which wouldn't help at all.

I doubt LE will have tunnel vision. They go by the evidence wherever that leads. Nobody will be arrested until the prosecutor believes there enough evidence to convict.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Are you sure about that?? I've never heard of a father getting child support
unless they had primary custody. Elaine had primary custody of Dylan, why would she have been paying HIM child support??!!
In fact, even when they shared custody, I can't understand why he would have been getting it, so is that a fact or is it speculation? Inquiring minds want to know.

It's 100% true. Elaine was paying MR child support up until the recent custody change. Not only did her payments to him stop, he had to start paying her child support.

As ridiculous as that is, it is true. They had shared custody and she was the bread winner so she had to pay him although he rarely had the kids.

 

[Eileen730]

I did mention the computer a time or two but nobody seemed to bite so I let it be :waitasec:

"Electronic communication" could have been FB, emails, or any type of pm's.

Do you happen to know if Dylan had access to Mark's computer?

I agree with this
We dont really know who put that (TEXT) there do we?

Is a ping considered electronic communication?

 

[azgrandma]

Are you sure about that?? I've never heard of a father getting child support
unless they had primary custody. Elaine had primary custody of Dylan, why would she have been paying HIM child support??!!
In fact, even when they shared custody, I can't understand why he would have been getting it, so is that a fact or is it speculation? Inquiring minds want to know.

It's a fact, actually he was getting child support. He was then ordered to pay ER child support when the custody order changed.

 

[Alicia_marie]

Just a quick question guys. Did MR notice Dylan's backpack was missing right away. I thought I remember him stating somewhere that he didn't. If this is true, I find it really odd that he didn't notice the backpack missing but he noticed the fishing pole was. You would think the backpack would be one of the first things he would look for. Even more strange is how he explains that he noticed the fishing pole missing because it was next to the tv, yet he said himself Dylan was staying in the living room and sleeping on the couch so I am sure his backpack would be there in the living room as well. This might have been pointed out, and I could be remembering incorrectly. There are so many thread for this case. I really pray that Dylan will be found safe, but I get a sinking feeling in my heart when I read all of the information available on this thread. I don't think this case will have the ending we are all hoping for.

 

[The Cheese]

I agree with this
We dont really know who put that (TEXT) there do we?

Is a ping considered electronic communication?

This is what LE put in their press release -

9:37 p.m. Dylan's last electronic device communication (texting)

 

[Eileen730]

This is what LE put in their press release -

9:37 p.m. Dylan's last electronic device communication (texting)

Ok but why put (texting) like that?

 

[Kimster]

Good morning!

I have been asked to come in and explain the "agree to disagree" suggestions that mods have been bringing up lately.

"Agree to disagree" is when there is a debate ensuing on a thread and members come to a point where new information has been shared and yet the members have not changed their minds. Rather than keep bantering back and forth and rehashing the same information, one of those involved in the debate says "agree to disagree" and then the debate is over. It works well in preventing sore feelings and causing other members who are not involved in the debate to feel free to discuss other topics.

Hope that helps!

 

[MissJ]

It's a fact, actually he was getting child support. He was then ordered to pay ER child support when the custody order changed.

Yes and with his temper I'll bet it chapped his behind and I'm not trying to be funny. I think it could be a motive. JMO:moo:

 

[Alicia_marie]

One more thing. I noticed sometimes the tension gets high on this thread because some people consider MR as the main POI (not official of course) and others disagree. I believe what others have said an I feel like all avenues should be investigated. I'm wondering if maybe the mods could set up a sub forum or something with this case like they did with the McStay family and have a couple of different threads. One investigating MR and another investigating other possible leads, though there are few others. I know face book talk is not allowed, but I saw a possible tip in regards to Oregon. Not sure what happened with that info and have my suspicions about it's reliability, but I am sure there are other possibilities that may be discussed on another thread. I definitely believe that presuming MR is the only possible suspect is a mistake and I appreciate what others say about other possibilities. I think I have rambled enough now, time to study some ecology. Have a great day guys, will check in.

 

[azgrandma]

Just a quick question guys. Did MR notice Dylan's backpack was missing right away. I thought I remember him stating somewhere that he didn't. If this is true, I find it really odd that he didn't notice the backpack missing but he noticed the fishing pole was. You would think the backpack would be one of the first things he would look for. Even more strange is how he explains that he noticed the fishing pole missing because it was next to the tv, yet he said himself Dylan was staying in the living room and sleeping on the couch so I am sure his backpack would be there in the living room as well. This might have been pointed out, and I could be remembering incorrectly. There are so many thread for this case. I really pray that Dylan will be found safe, but I get a sinking feeling in my heart when I read all of the information available on this thread. I don't think this case will have the ending we are all hoping for.

BBM - Very good question! I don't recall MR ever saying anything about the backpack missing.

 

[Eileen730]

One more thing. I noticed sometimes the tension gets high on this thread because some people consider MR as the main POI (not official of course) and others disagree. I believe what others have said an I feel like all avenues should be investigated. I'm wondering if maybe the mods could set up a sub forum or something with this case like they did with the McStay family and have a couple of different threads. One investigating MR and another investigating other possible leads, though there are few others. I know face book talk is not allowed, but I saw a possible tip in regards to Oregon. Not sure what happened with that info and have my suspicions about it's reliability, but I am sure there are other possibilities that may be discussed on another thread. I definitely believe that presuming MR is the only possible suspect is a mistake and I appreciate what others say about other possibilities. I think I have rambled enough now, time to study some ecology. Have a great day guys, will check in.

It shouldnt matter who we think is responsible!
Its a discussion!
I think once we split threads they seem to die.
JMO



JMO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Yes and with his temper I'll bet it chapped his behind and I'm not trying to be funny. I think it could be a motive. JMO:moo:

I'll admit that the thought of premeditation never entered my mind until I found this out. I still don't think so, but it sure could be a motive.

If MR really is a control freak and likes winning at all costs, than he lost big time. He lost his wife, his boys, his income and to top it off he had to pay her and help support her household (which included another man). I could see where this might send someone like that over the edge.

Would it be enough to make him kill his own child though? That is the question. My gut says no, but I really don't know him and I know it has been enough to send other men to that point. I can't fathom it though.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Once le has determined a person is a suspect - that person legally must be mirandized before le can attempt to talk to them -and it doesn't matter if le has publicly named this person a suspect or not.

BBM: Absolutely NOT true!

If a person is not in police custody, however, no Miranda warning is required and anything the person says can be used at trial if the person is later charged with a crime. This exception most often comes up when the police stop someone on the street to question him or her about a recent crime or the person blurts out a confession before the police have an opportunity to deliver the warning.
Pre-Arrest Questioning
People are often surprised to learn that if a person hasn't yet been arrested, the police may question the person and use the answers in court without first providing the Miranda warning.

More: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/police-questioning-miranda-warnings-29930.html

 

[NC Analyzer]

BBM - Very good question! I don't recall MR ever saying anything about the backpack missing.

He did say something about not noticing the backpack was missing. I really don't have time to go over all the transcripts, but I do recall he mentioned something about not noticing the backpack until later....I believe this was in one of his video interviews.

 

[missrugby]

What a horrible statement to make.

You have your opinions and I have mine hence MOO

 

[Alicia_marie]

It shouldnt matter who we think is responsible!
Once you split threads the threads die.
We are here to banter back and forth. This is why we come here.
If you dont like whats said by some ignore the post or reply as to why you disagree.
And Whyhy shouldnt ppl think MR is involved when he was the one that had Dylan?

JMO

I'm just a "peacemaker" I do think it is very likely MR is involved. It was just a suggestion because I see people defending MR and they get shot down. I didn't realize threads died when that happened. I definitely was not looking to stir up stuff. I guess I just appreciate everything everyone has to say on here and don't want anyone to get put down for their thoughts. But I see someone posted about the agree to disagree and that seems like a great alternative. I sure hope no one was offended by the suggestion!!!