CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #42

[Salem]

bbm... I think this is the pertinent information. Le was not legally obligated to mirandize Casey because she was not deemed a suspect.

Yes, it is one of the factors. The Supreme Court has said that the controlling factor is "restraint on liberty" which basically means, you can't leave if you want to. Then before any questions are asked, you must be read your rights.

It all kind of works hand in hand. LE can't restrain you without probable cause and if they have probable cause, you are definitely a suspect.

Salem

 

[SuperMom1995]

Doesn't anyone else besides me think it's incredibly odd that they drove through McDonalds and ate while driving home vs. going inside and eating? Especially since MR wanted to sit down and eat.

and not 'then we ate in the truck" but "and we're eating on our way":liar:

 

[asyousay]

Maybe Dylan did not want to eat in McDonalds as his dad had just told him he could not visit his friends so I doubt he wanted to sit down and eat food at that stage with his dad :cow:

 

[SuperMom1995]

I'm re-watching the Dr. Phil show. MR speaks of Dylan in the past tense. I'm sure this has been mentioned, but it stood out to me immediately.

Another note, MR says "He (Dylan) acknowledged that he understood what I was saying" with regard to telling a supposedly sleeping on the couch Dylan that MR was going out to run errands. Wouldn't you remember EXACTLY the supposed last words your missing son uttered to you before you never saw him again? Not a vague "he acknowledged me". I don't know, this is a minor thing in the grand scheme of things, but it stood out to me.

TIFWIW

He "acknowledged", he "communicated", he "indicated", I "would be trying" - I don't think things really happened the way he would like us to believe at the times he is referring to, when he speaks in such vague terms.

 

[Money Girl]

There was much more last night before the mods removed the posts. Brief synopsis: MR's niece posted a plea from him. The replies to the post were not positive. Post was removed. Commentary from admin issued this morning.

ETA: And now a lovely response posted from Elaine.

MR's niece posted on this board? Why was it removed? I missed it. Do you know what page the commentary from admin is on?

 

[rebeccaeee]

MR's niece posted on this board? I missed it. Do you know what page the commentary from admin is on?

No- my post was in response to someone mentioning FDMR FB page. The post from the niece was on FMDR along with an official admin response and now a post from Elaine. All on FMDR FB.

 

[fedfan4life]

Maybe Dylan did not want to eat in McDonalds as his dad had just told him he could not visit his friends so I doubt he wanted to sit down and eat food at that stage with his dad :cow:

Yep, point I was trying to make last evening, but, alas, <modsnip> MR has the right to change the rules according to his own whim (i.e. it's too late to do something Dylan wants and prepared to do, but not too late to do something Mr. Redwine wants to do). Apparently, that's what being a parent is all about.

<modsnip>

 

[NC Analyzer]

Yes, it is one of the factors. The Supreme Court has said that the controlling factor is "restraint on liberty" which basically means, you can't leave if you want to. Then before any questions are asked, you must be read your rights.

It all kind of works hand in hand. LE can't restrain you without probable cause and if they have probable cause, you are definitely a suspect.

Salem

But, and merely emphasizing my previous statements, you CAN be questioned without Miranda even if you are a suspect/POI. It is YOUR choice to give a statement. LE is under NO OBLIGATION to give you Miranda warnings unless you are in custody, detained, or otherwise not allowed to leave.

 

[*Lash*]

Just for your consideration. Perhaps Mark Redwine looks at the fact that LE hasn't named him a suspect or a POI. Now what would he be thinking? Just a guess, but I would imagine his thoughts would be somewhat like yours...

"Well, LE hasn't named me a suspect, so I must not be a suspect. I can say anything I want. I can go anywhere I want. I can do whatever I want. They don't suspect me. I can talk all I want and nothing I say can be used against me. I don't need an attorney, I'm not a suspect. They haven't even named me a POI, so they must not suspect me. I'm cool. I'm in the clear!"

See the flaw in your premise?
My only hope is MR doesn't see the flaw in this thinking. LE needs him to keep up the good work.

But you are entitled to believe whatever you want. It isn't up to me to change anything you or MR want to believe.

I would prefer to drop this issue, however, because I foresee that we will never end up on the same page, so I would rather not discuss it with you further. No disrespect intended.

BBM - Interesting post. It really made me think whether or not MR believes LE thinks he is a suspect or POI. I personally think he does. Could be why he hasn't taken a second polygraph and in my opinion is doing VERY little to find Dylan.

I would be interested in your opinion. TIA

 

[asyousay]

Yep, point I was trying to make last evening, but, alas, <modsnip> MR has the right to change the rules according to his own whim (i.e. it's too late to do something Dylan wants and prepared to do, but not too late to do something Mr. Redwine wants to do). Apparently, that's what being a parent is all about.

<modsnip>

Haha - I think Mark's behaviour is highly suspicious but something's I think are simply explained away if I use logic :cow:

That is just me tho .

 

[NC Analyzer]

BBM - Interesting post. It really made me think whether or not MR believes LE thinks he is a suspect or POI. I personally think he does. Could be why he hasn't taken a second polygraph and in my opinion is doing VERY little to find Dylan.

I would be interested in your opinion. TIA

I actually believe MR is much smarter than some of his defenders, (not naming anyone specifically, as he does have a handful of supporters that can be found throughout the internet), but I think he has the mindset that he can and will get away with this because he believes he is smarter than LE.
Narcissistic people usually think they are above the law and smarter than everyone else.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

BBM - Interesting post. It really made me think whether or not MR believes LE thinks he is a suspect or POI. I personally think he does. Could be why he hasn't taken a second polygraph and in my opinion is doing VERY little to find Dylan.

I would be interested in your opinion. TIA

On the contrary...unless he reads the last few pages here, I don't think he thinks he's at the top of LE's radar. And that's just what LE wants him to think IMO.

I have yet to make a judgement on his intelligence or understanding of the law, but by his actions I would think this. If he really knew things I don't think he'd be talking. But perhaps he's that smug and arrogant? Who knows??

 

[jadejazzkayla]

Yes, it is one of the factors. The Supreme Court has said that the controlling factor is "restraint on liberty" which basically means, you can't leave if you want to. Then before any questions are asked, you must be read your rights.

It all kind of works hand in hand. LE can't restrain you without probable cause and if they have probable cause, you are definitely a suspect.

Salem

but you do need to be mirandized if you have been deemed a suspect and have agreed to talk with le -if le doesn't mirandize you your statements can't be held against you.... even if le chooses not to arrest you.

but...you don't need to be mirandized during your arrest (aka. detained or restraint of liberty).

 

[rebeccaeee]

I actually believe MR is much smarter than some of his defenders, (not naming anyone specifically, as he does have a handful of supporters that can be found throughout the internet), but I think he has the mindset that he can and will get away with this because he believes he is smarter than LE.
Narcissistic people usually think they are above the law and smarter than everyone else.

Oh completely! I hope this is the thing that trips him up. His need to show us how smart he is and prove that he got away with something. Only a matter of time before he tries to outwit the polygraph, insert himself into the search and get caught running his mouth. That's what passes for my hope these days.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

but you do need to be mirandized if you have been deemed a suspect and have agreed to talk with le -if le doesn't mirandize you your statements can't be held against you.... even if le chooses not to arrest you.

but...you don't need to be mirandized during your arrest (aka. detained or restraint of liberty).

If I'm understanding what you're saying correctly, I think you've got this backwards.

 

[*Lash*]

I actually believe MR is much smarter than some of his defenders, (not naming anyone specifically, as he does have a handful of supporters that can be found throughout the internet), but I think he has the mindset that he can and will get away with this because he believes he is smarter than LE.
Narcissistic people usually think they are above the law and smarter than everyone else.

BBM - In my own experience, yes they do! They believe they can fool anyone because in their eyes every one but themselves are the fools!

 

[SuperMom1995]

I believe they were poised to check dumpsters/landfills IF they felt they needed to. I don't think they thought they needed to but I don't know what ever came of that. That's the last I heard.

If the HRD dogs checked the trash recepticles and landfill now, even though he would be gone, would they pick up on the scent?

 

[asyousay]

If Mark is smart then I don't think Dylan is in the lake . Because only a complete idiot would lead LE to the water IMO

 

[ColdHands]

Haha - I think Mark's behaviour is highly suspicious but something's I think are simply explained away if I use logic :cow:

That is just me tho .

No plans for the week
Didn't buy a coat
Didn't want to drive to Bayfield Sunday night

I think those are things we would see Mark do on any week he had Dylan. Those are probably norms for him. I don't see those as sinister at all. There are probably others that I can't think of right now that fall into this category as well.

There are other behaviors and things that have happened in this case that jump out as questionable and cause people to eye him with suspicion, without having to jump on "didn't buy a coat" as evidence of murdering his son.

 

[*Lash*]

On the contrary...unless he reads the last few pages here, I don't think he thinks he's at the top of LE's radar. And that's just what LE wants him to think IMO.

I have yet to make a judgement on his intelligence or understanding of the law, but by his actions I would think this. If he really knew things I don't think he'd be talking. But perhaps he's that smug and arrogant? Who knows??

BBM - In my opinion, your perhaps opinion is the most likely :twocents: