CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #43

[katydid23]

Okay - I'm out for the night! You guys behave and don't fight okay? Remember that discussion is good for the brain - even if you don't agree.

Salem

:angel::angel::angel::angel:

 

[Ronald99]

I think that it doesn't matter if Mark passed or failed or was deemed inconclusive on his Qualified LE polygraph test because I don't feel that the test is reliable.

I'm sure that LE looks at it the same way. They know that it's not good enough to bring into court but it does have a useful purpose in investigating crimes.

And one of those purposes is to intimidate suspects into revealing information that can convict someone of a crime.

MOO.

Regardless these Polygraph Test have been utilized as a Tool so Law Enforcement can either continue focusing on certain family members, or rule them out, and move on.

Clearly MR on the Dr Phil show stated he Failed, then he said it was inconclusive. and something about an unqualified person had administered him the test.

Then after the performance MR displayed for the millions watching concerning agreeing to retake another Polygraph Test that would be administered by a highly qualified examiner, MR once again as only he knows how, used excuses, and intentionally disqualified himself from retaking the test he agreed on.

Not once, Not twice, Three times on the Dr Phil show, MR refused to allow the Polygraph Test to be utilized in possibly showing millions watching that MR was innocent according to the Polygraph Test of any involvement in Dylan Redwines Disapearance.

Mark Redwine could've helped bring Closure to Dylan's Disapearance, But instead Mark Redwine created more suspicioun directed at himself.:jail:

http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/news...cle_e98ce2fa-8277-11e2-80f5-001a4bcf887a.html

( The Polygraph Test )

(Prior to the polygraph Dr. Phil said if one of his sons were missing he would be doing everything possible to find them but he told Mark Redwine that he was acting the complete opposite. Mark Redwine did not show any emotion during the two-day taping of the show.

“You seem diametrically opposite from that. You seem smug, you seem cavalier, you seem unplugged, you seem combative. You just seem like you just aren't engaged. Which makes me think either you don't care or you already have the answer,” Dr. Phil told Mark Redwine.

Back stage Dr. Phil told Mark that if he takes the polygraph and he has nothing to do with Dylan's disappearance it will clear him.
“I don't know what happened here. If you have your son stashed somewhere or if God forbid you flew into a rage and you hurt him accidentally and he's dead, if something has happened I will help you deal with it now and we will go recover that young man. Because if you are involved it's just a matter of time,” Dr. Phil said, adding that his offer had a shelf life. “If you're not involved then there's something seriously wrong with you because your reaction to this, something's wrong.”

Mark Redwine responded by saying he's not afraid of the truth and said he feels like his being attacked. He said he's not a violent person and agreed to take a polygraph. Dr. Phil arranged for Jack Trimarco to administer the test but when it came down to it he backed out first saying his blood pressure was up and he would do it the next day. The next day 20 minutes into the test Mark Redwine said he didn't sleep well the night before and had drank a half a bottle of Jim Beam and said he didn't feel well enough.

Trimarco said in all of years of giving polygraph tests he had never encountered anyone who refused to take a polygraph test in a missing child case whether they were involved or not.)

 

[The Cheese]

Regardless these Polygraph Test have been utilized as a Tool so Law Enforcement can either continue focusing on certain family members, or rule them out, and move on.

Clearly MR on the Dr Phil show stated he Failed, then he said it was inconclusive. and something about an unqualified person had administered him the test.

Then after the performance MR displayed for the millions watching concerning agreeing to retake another Polygraph Test that would be administered by a highly qualified examiner, MR once again as only he knows how, used excuses, and intentionally disqualified himself from retaking the test he agreed on.

Not once, Not twice, Three times on the Dr Phil show, MR refused to allow the Polygraph Test to be utilized in possibly showing millions watching that MR was innocent according to the Polygraph Test of any involvement in Dylan Redwines Disapearance.

Mark Redwine could've helped bring Closure to Dylan's Disapearance, But instead Mark Redwine created more suspicioun directed at himself.:jail:

http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/news...cle_e98ce2fa-8277-11e2-80f5-001a4bcf887a.html

( The Polygraph Test )

(Prior to the polygraph Dr. Phil said if one of his sons were missing he would be doing everything possible to find them but he told Mark Redwine that he was acting the complete opposite. Mark Redwine did not show any emotion during the two-day taping of the show.

“You seem diametrically opposite from that. You seem smug, you seem cavalier, you seem unplugged, you seem combative. You just seem like you just aren't engaged. Which makes me think either you don't care or you already have the answer,” Dr. Phil told Mark Redwine.

Back stage Dr. Phil told Mark that if he takes the polygraph and he has nothing to do with Dylan's disappearance it will clear him.
“I don't know what happened here. If you have your son stashed somewhere or if God forbid you flew into a rage and you hurt him accidentally and he's dead, if something has happened I will help you deal with it now and we will go recover that young man. Because if you are involved it's just a matter of time,” Dr. Phil said, adding that his offer had a shelf life. “If you're not involved then there's something seriously wrong with you because your reaction to this, something's wrong.”

Mark Redwine responded by saying he's not afraid of the truth and said he feels like his being attacked. He said he's not a violent person and agreed to take a polygraph. Dr. Phil arranged for Jack Trimarco to administer the test but when it came down to it he backed out first saying his blood pressure was up and he would do it the next day. The next day 20 minutes into the test Mark Redwine said he didn't sleep well the night before and had drank a half a bottle of Jim Beam and said he didn't feel well enough.

Trimarco said in all of years of giving polygraph tests he had never encountered anyone who refused to take a polygraph test in a missing child case whether they were involved or not.)

BBM

Here's what Trimarco said. I keep wondering why that mother is in there -

Dr. Phil: In all of your experience have you ever encountered a mother and father with a missing child that were unwilling to take a poly?

Trimarco: I have not ever had a mother and father refuse to take a poly in a missing child case whether they were involved or not.

 

[katydid23]

BBM

Here's what Trimarco said. I keep wondering why that mother is in there -

Dr. Phil: In all of your experience have you ever encountered a mother and father with a missing child that were unwilling to take a poly?

Trimarco: I have not ever had a mother and father refuse to take a poly in a missing child case whether they were involved or not.

Trimarco must have been referring to Elaine, since she never passed her poly....umm ...WAIT, YES she did pass her first one. So I guess he didn't mean to imply it was ER.

 

[Ronald99]

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/A-boy’s-life--

Members the other day were talking about timelines concerning MR contacting people, I just noticed a screen shot on Ryan's cell phone, and I believe at 4:14 Ryan's sending a text to Dylan's cell.
4:14 november 19 Ryan ( Dude your dads looking for ou)
4:14 November 19 Ryan (you)
Then later at 7:53 PM
7:53 November 19 Ryan (Are you alright dude?)
7:53 November 19 Ryan (Dude you need to call somebody anybody asap we all worried about you your mom called and shes worried about you bro)
7:53 November 19 Ryan (Seriously when you get the message call someone)

So before 4:14 PM Monday afternoon MR contacted Ryan. In person or cell phone ? I don't know.
So does anyone have prior timelines involving MR contacting Elaine, or others prior ? From the time MR claimed he woke up that afternoon, and the chain of events he's stated until finally arriving to report Dylan missing with Law Enforcement.

I believe the mail carrier thought the person she recognized as Dylan was around 1:30 PM Monday afternoon, I'm trying to get an understanding of when MR actually left his house, he would have been driving towards bayfield Durango, and I would think if MR was actually searching for Dylan he would have stopped the mail carrier, and asked questions __unless her route on that long road was completed.

Actually I've never read anywhere that MR asked any adults if they've seen Dylan that day.

 

[Eileen730]

Trimarco was just making a point!
He never had a parent of a missing child refuse the poly.
I dont think he was talking about Elaine at all.

 

[Eileen730]

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/A-boy’s-life--

Members the other day were talking about timelines concerning MR contacting people, I just noticed a screen shot on Ryan's cell phone, and I believe at 4:14 Ryan's sending a text to Dylan's cell.
4:14 november 19 Ryan ( Dude your dads looking for ou)
4:14 November 19 Ryan (you)
Then later at 7:53 PM
7:53 November 19 Ryan (Are you alright dude?)
7:53 November 19 Ryan (Dude you need to call somebody anybody asap we all worried about you your mom called and shes worried about you bro)
7:53 November 19 Ryan (Seriously when you get the message call someone)

So before 4:14 PM Monday afternoon MR contacted Ryan. In person or cell phone ? I don't know.
So does anyone have prior timelines involving MR contacting Elaine, or others prior ? From the time MR claimed he woke up that afternoon, and the chain of events he's stated until finally arriving to report Dylan missing with Law Enforcement.

I believe the mail carrier thought the person she recognized as Dylan was around 1:30 PM Monday afternoon, I'm trying to get an understanding of when MR actually left his house, he would have been driving towards bayfield Durango, and I would think if MR was actually searching for Dylan he would have stopped the mail carrier, and asked questions __unless her route on that long road was completed.

Actually I've never read anywhere that MR asked any adults if they've seen Dylan that day.

I dont think MR called or Text R I think he showed up

 

[Eileen730]

Missing Boy's Mother Suspects Ex-Husband in Son's Disappearance
IGNACIO, Colo. Nov. 26, 2012

The mother of 13-year-old boy Dylan Redwine, who disappeared a week ago during a court ordered visit to his father, fears that the dad may have done something to "remove Dylan from the situation."

Dylan Redwine was last seen at the home of his father, Mark Redwine, when he vanished seven days ago.

"I was married to Mark for a lot of years, and I know the way he reacts to things," Elaine Redwine told ABC News. "If Dylan maybe did or said something that wasn't what Mark wanted to hear, I'm just afraid of how Mark would have reacted."

Elaine and Mark were divorced and live about five hours away from each other, ABC News affiliate KMGH reports. Dylan was staying at his father's home because of a court order granting his father visitation rights for Thanksgiving.

Elaine Redwine told ABC News she believes her ex-husband was upset that she was the court-mandated primary custodian of their son.

"I don't think Mark treats him very well," Elaine Redwine said. "I would not put it past Mark to have done something to remove Dylan from the situation. You know, like 'if I can't have him, nobody will.'

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-boys-mother-suspects-husband-sons-disappearance/story?id=17813458

 

[Eileen730]

MR wont take another poly.
i think we all know that.

But hes not doing anything to find his son either. Actions (or lack of) speak louder than words.

 

[Eileen730]

Signs of Deception:

Body Language of Lies:

• Physical expression will be limited and stiff, with few arm and hand movements. Hand, arm and leg movement are toward their own body the liar takes up less space.

• A person who is lying to you will avoid making eye contact.

• Hands touching their face, throat & mouth. Touching or scratching the nose or behind their ear. Not likely to touch his chest/heart with an open hand


http://www.blifaloo.com/info/lies.php

 

[Eileen730]

Interactions and Reactions

• A guilty person gets defensive. An innocent person will often go on the offensive.

• A liar is uncomfortable facing his questioner/accuser and may turn his head or body away.

• A liar might unconsciously place objects (book, coffee cup, etc.) between themselves and you

A gun?

 

[Eileen730]

In these ”spousal revenge” cases – as recognised by the Freeman jury – fathers kill their children to punish their ex-partners. There is usually no prior violence against the children. In fact, they appear to love their children. The act of killing is directed towards harming the child’s mother. The motive is revenge

http://americanmotherspoliticalpart...ll-their-children-to-punish-their-ex-partners

 

[Money Girl]

Prayers for Dylan's safe return.

 

[TxLady2]

He made that clear on the official Facebook. His Dad's test was inconclusive so he wanted him to retake it, but he stalled, and never actually agreed to do so.

Much like he did on DP.

He, meaning Cory? Why are we supposed to take that as fact?

Mark said on Dr. Phil that they first told him he failed the poly, then told him it was inconclusive. We have no confirmation from LE either way. We only have Mark's word about what Bender supposedly told him.

Frankly, I have a hard time trusting Cory's word on FB as fact, considering some of the other things he's thrown out there. But that's just me.

 

[Money Girl]

He, meaning Cory? Why are we supposed to take that as fact?

Mark said on Dr. Phil that they first told him he failed the poly, then told him it was inconclusive. We have no confirmation from LE either way. We only have Mark's word about what Bender supposedly told him.

Frankly, I have a hard time trusting Cory's word on FB as fact, considering some of the other things he's thrown out there. But that's just me.

I, too, am having a hard time trusting Cory's word on FB as fact.

(MOO)

 

[TxLady2]

No, not at this point. The request for a 2nd poly is very important, in my opinion. We want confirmation from LE/MSM about that. It could be a huge clue as to what LE is thinking, depending on how one interprets their behavior..... for me, it bodes ill for MR if they haven't asked for a 2nd.....

Salem

IF Mark failed the first poly, then it would be SOP for LE to ask him to take another one, at least this is what I've seen in other cases. They have been known to give several polys, as long as the person agreed.
If it was inconclusive, they may or may not ask him to take another one. And if what Mark says that Bender told him is true, then that is also possible. He could have told him that in order to try to convince him to take another one.
But we have no way of knowing for certain until LE confirms it.

 

[Eileen730]

IF Mark failed the first poly, then it would be SOP for LE to ask him to take another one, at least this is what I've seen in other cases. They have been known to give several polys, as long as the person agreed.
If it was inconclusive, they may or may not ask him to take another one. And if what Mark says that Bender told him is true, then that is also possible. He could have told him that in order to try to convince him to take another one.
But we have no way of knowing for certain until LE confirms it.

Not necessarily!
What if they caught him in one of his inconclusions!
I dont think they need him to take another to be honest!
and LE not asking To me is not a good sign for MR.
Wont matter if they do because he WONT take it! imo

JMO

 

[packerdog]

After reading posts, pages back about footprints and ER, saying that DR had a distinctive sole, of course she would know his footprint because she probably cleaned up after him if he made a mess while walking into the house. This reminds me of my own children when they were young. We have always had a shoeless house but I remember a time or two when one of the boys would run into the house for something and they didn't take off their shoes and I could tell which boy it was by their shoe print, busted.

I always left perfect vacuum marks when we had carpeting before we left on vacation and I could tell in an instant if someone had been in the house.

I am sure by MR's messy house he never cared about people wearing shoes in the house. T o bad DR didn't leave some kind of a shoe print to let us know if he even made it to the house. When ER looked for shoe prints near the house why did she mention the lack of prints? Had it rained recently? Could she make out other prints? Is there dirt around the house?

 

[TxLady2]

I'm interested in why you feel that a request for a second LE polygraph is significant. For myself it would depend on the first results combined with all of the evidence collected so far.

On top of that, I would look at the reliability of the polygraphs in general before making a decision to do another.

Finally, would the results of a second LE qualified polygraph further the investigation or hinder it?

I am not sure it's all that significant if a poly was inconclusive or they failed. Guilty people have passed them, and innocent people have failed. They are a tool, but they do give LE a pretty good idea of who to look at.
I think a 2nd polygraph would help the investigation, it certainly would not hinder it. But what would happen if he passed the 2nd one, given by a highly trained FBI polygrapher? Do they move on to some other person? I guess we may never know the answer to that one.

 

[The Cheese]

Trimarco must have been referring to Elaine, since she never passed her poly....umm ...WAIT, YES she did pass her first one. So I guess he didn't mean to imply it was ER.

We don't know for sure if she passed her poly, because LE has never verified it. We also don't know if Dr Phil asked her to take one.

FTR, LE has stated they don't consider her a suspect, and I'm following them.