CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #43

[mijamawi]

But we are not going to get any facts out of MR.
and for technically wondering about the statment on dr phil about a mother and a father not taking a poly is theyway one reads it. Elaine passed her poly Mark didnt and as you listen later on that video they say Mark is the only father of a missing child to not take the poly.

And I like facts also but this poly stuff is moot at this point because he wont take another one as I see it!
All JMO

I was meaning technical in general. I personally don't care about the LDT, it proves nothing to me. I do feel the way he said he would do it, then backed out was a huge fail. However, I think I'd likely put less weight in a Dr. P poly than LE. Yes, I'm aware Tremarco is the best polygrapher blah blah blah, but having something like that done on national TV cheapens it a bit for me. It really does remind me of the old Maury DNA tests on who the baby daddy is. IMO

 

[mijamawi]

Snipped by me for space

I agree that LE might not always be completely forthcoming and honest with information. I just find it funny that some think every statement they make publicly is indeed fact, but on the other hand state that LE might lie to MR about his polygraph results.

I think it's absolutely possible that LE told MR he failed his poly when perhaps he didn't and likewise I think it's absolutely possible that LE told the public that the fishing pole wasn't Dylan's when perhaps it was.

I get what you're saying. For me, personally, I would take LE's word over a disgruntled family member. LE has a job to do and should take any and all liberties within the law to solve the case.

 

[Money Girl]

Ya know guys Im sorry I just feel MR is responsible for what has happend to Dylan.
Poly or no Poly he does not act like an innocent man.

JMO

he really has done nothing to clear himself nor find his son!.

jmo

I don't feel MR is responsible for what has happened to Dylan.

LE is doing everything possible to find Dylan.

 

[deoneta]

JMO, but I think MR flat out failed his LDT and confabbed the result to inconclusive. We all heard him question the credentials of the poly examiner. We all saw him refuse a poly, not once. not twice, but thrice after agreeing to take the test. When it comes to credibility, just my personal choice and all, but I'll believe ER, CR and AZG before I'll take MR's word for anything. All MOO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

You know, many people are so insistent that MR take another poly. IMO it's not necessary and we would not have been able to watch him actually doing the poly (they do not ever show that on DP). What we did get to see was sooooo much more telling than a poly IMO.

MUCH MORE!

What I saw, was a person that likes to manipulate and try to fool people. IMO he knew he was not going to take that poly from the get go, so why not just say 'no'? Simple. No i don't want to, no a lawyer advised me not to, no I don't trust the accuracy of poly's. Anything would have made him look better than what he did IMO. It was nothing but theatrics, manipulation attempts, poor me I'm sick attempts, fits of rage, conflicting statements and overall very very odd behavior. What we got to see was so much more than a poly would have given us.

A prime example of an MR conflicting statement is; he was not feeling well because he drank too much Jim Beam the night before. Then he states that it wasn't like a big bottle of Jim Beam it was half a small bottle (like pint size). Well I don't even drink, but I doubt if I drank a half pint of Jim Beam that I'd even be sick the next day! A regular drinker would be less affected.

 

[MissJ]

JMO but if DP thought ER needed to take another poly, for whatever reason, he would have asked her to do so. The fact is he did not. It was obvious he does not suspect ER of doing anything to her child. MOO

 

[nursebeeme]

Not necessarily!
What if they caught him in one of his inconclusions!
I dont think they need him to take another to be honest!
and LE not asking To me is not a good sign for MR.
Wont matter if they do because he WONT take it! imo

JMO

Inconclusive can also result from administrator error.

How can you be caught in an inconclusion if it is inconclusive?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

JMO, but I think MR flat out failed his LDT and confabbed the result to inconclusive. We all heard him question the credentials of the poly examiner. We all saw him refuse a poly, not once. not twice, but thrice after agreeing to take the test. When it comes to credibility, just my personal choice and all, but I'll believe ER, CR and AZG before I'll take MR's word for anything. All MOO

I agree! I don't know how anyone could believe anything that comes out of MR's mouth. He has done nothing but change stories, give conflicting information and show just overall strange behavior IMO.

For me the strangest thing is his obvious lack of concern in finding Dylan! There is no emotion or concern whatsoever about Dylan! I keep looking for it, but it's just not there. He keeps changing the subject to other irrelevant things and never FOCUSES on Dylan!

 

[deoneta]

You know, many people are so insistent that MR take another poly. IMO it's not necessary and we would not have been able to watch him actually doing the poly (they do not ever show that on DP). What we did get to see was sooooo much more telling than a poly IMO.

MUCH MORE!

What I saw, was a person that likes to manipulate and try to fool people. IMO he knew he was not going to take that poly from the get go, so why not just say 'no'? Simple. No i don't want to, no a lawyer advised me not to, no I don't trust the accuracy of poly's. Anything would have made him look better than what he did IMO. It was nothing but theatrics, manipulation attempts, poor me I'm sick attempts, fits of rage, conflicting statements and overall very very odd behavior. What we got to see was so much more than a poly would have given us.

A prime example of an MR conflicting statement is; he was not feeling well because he drank too much Jim Beam the night before. Then he states that it wasn't like a big bottle of Jim Beam it was half a small bottle (like pint size). Well I don't even drink, but I doubt if I drank a half pint of Jim Beam that I'd even be sick the next day! A regular drinker would be less affected.

BBM Yep, there was his exaggerated "hands measurement" of the bottle in question when it suited him to appear too "impaired" or not feeling well or whatever to take the test. Once the threat of the LDT was removed, he immediately sought to rehabilitate his image by minimizing the amount he drank. All MOO

 

[Money Girl]

It was nothing but theatrics, manipulation attempts, poor me I'm sick attempts, fits of rage, conflicting statements and overall very very odd behavior. What we got to see was so much more than a poly would have given us.

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(respectfully snipped by me.)

Then, MR did great, because "theatrics" is what Dr. Phil wants on his show.

 

[MissJ]

I'm sure that when LE gets around to arresting MR (if they do) and cold hard facts come to light (if they do) there will still be a number of people who refuse to accept the facts just like in the JA and CA case. There are websites dedicated to denying the facts in those cases. Just the nature of human beings. We don't all agree no matter what the evidence is. MOO

 

[SCHMAE]

LOL I was talking about the gun on the table in the MB interview!

He kept fiddling with his tie on phil show. But you know what and here I will
throw MR another bone ! I have anxiety BAD sometimes and that reminded me of exactly what I might be doing in any circumstance ( not even only if i were on the hot seat and accused of a big crime). I am constantly fiddling with my hair when I'm in close quarters with people talking, even good friends. It's just an antsy impulse. And many people with anxiety , ocd and other similar things self medicate through alcohol and street drugs. FYI! I'm not saying that is the case here , but it is the case with many. Also the more anxious I get the more I tend to ramble on . I think some weeks back I posted about this thing.
MOO JMO IMHO ATJ! 100%

 

[The Cheese]

Snipped by me for space

I agree that LE might not always be completely forthcoming and honest with information. I just find it funny that some think every statement they make publicly is indeed fact, but on the other hand state that LE might lie to MR about his polygraph results.

I think it's absolutely possible that LE told MR he failed his poly when perhaps he didn't and likewise I think it's absolutely possible that LE told the public that the fishing pole wasn't Dylan's when perhaps it was.

BBM -

By law, LE has the right to lie to people when they're interrogating them. I don't know of any law giving LE the right to lie to the public when conveying information.

I think the police want the public to trust them, and because of that they make every effort to be accurate and honest when they make statements. That's just my personal opinion.

Are we going to start posting all the things we find funny that other members think? I've got a few myself.

 

[Eileen730]

I was meaning technical in general. I personally don't care about the LDT, it proves nothing to me. I do feel the way he said he would do it, then backed out was a huge fail. However, I think I'd likely put less weight in a Dr. P poly than LE. Yes, I'm aware Tremarco is the best polygrapher blah blah blah, but having something like that done on national TV cheapens it a bit for me. It really does remind me of the old Maury DNA tests on who the baby daddy is. IMO

If it were me Id have been much more comfortable taking the poly fr Dr P with
Tremarco esp after MR said the other guy was incompetant.
JMO

 

[*Lash*]

Remember MR wants them to look closely at him!

"I would never do anything to harm that boy," Mark said. "I know they are looking at me for being involved at some sort of kidnapping scheme, which is one of the reasons I want them to look closely at me. The more they look at me, the more they are going to realize I have nothing to do with this."

http://www.9news.com/news/article/314078/42/What-happened-to-Dylan-Redwine

 

[SCHMAE]

BBM -

By law, LE has the right to lie to people when they're interrogating them. I don't know of any law giving LE the right to lie to the public when conveying information.

I think the police want the public to trust them, and because of that they make every effort to be accurate and honest when they make statements. That's just my personal opinion.

Are we going to start posting all the things we find funny that other members think? I've got a few myself.

Do it Cheese. There are no mods here now ! JK MODS ! :floorlaugh:

 

[mmmagique]

A necktie ?

A pillow?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

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BBM Yep, there was his exaggerated "hands measurement" of the bottle in question when it suited him to appear too "impaired" or not feeling well or whatever to take the test. Once the threat of the LDT was removed, he immediately sought to rehabilitate his image by minimizing the amount he drank. All MOO

You are absolutely right! When he was talking about being too sick for the poly due to drinking too much, one would assume that he drank a fifth or more. But once the poly was off the table he had to minimize it to not make himself look like he has a drinking problem or anything and then that bottle shrank to a very small bottle, and he only drank half of that very small bottle to boot! That is manipulate, control and conquer. And I'll bet in his mind he's quite proud of himself and thinks he did a darn good job.

 

[mmmagique]

It was nothing but theatrics, manipulation attempts, poor me I'm sick attempts, fits of rage, conflicting statements and overall very very odd behavior. What we got to see was so much more than a poly would have given us.

QUOTE]

(respectfully snipped by me.)

Then, MR did great, because "theatrics" is what Dr. Phil wants on his show.

mr should go on more often then, because he's REALLY good at it. :floorlaugh:

 

[*Lash*]

BBM -

By law, LE has the right to lie to people when they're interrogating them. I don't know of any law giving LE the right to lie to the public when conveying information.

I think the police want the public to trust them, and because of that they make every effort to be accurate and honest when they make statements. That's just my personal opinion.

Are we going to start posting all the things we find funny that other members think? I've got a few myself.

BBM - I don't believe there is a law saying LE cannot lie to the public when conveying information in an ongoing investigation. It happens all the time. Strategy and tactics.