CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #44

[tresptip]

its a half hour trip from MRs to Bayfield, to drop Dylan off at 6.30am (as per the texts between Dylan and his friend RN)


no one knows what happened between those times except MR, who said that he spent time trying to wake Dylan, or Dylan out like a light, or he indicate I understand

which version do we believe if any?

So he would have left around 6:00 am to take Dylan there, yet he didn't even get up till 6:30? I guess he didn't have to be at his work place at any particular time.

 

[catswhiskers]

We know that Dylan made the plans for 6:30am, but not necessarily that MR had agreed to that very specific time IMO.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Wonder how much longer we will repeat the same messages over and over and keep discussing Dr. Phil?

Hoping LE will issue a news release soon, so that we can actually move on and help with finding Dylan.

is there a problem with us going over things any number of times? or discussing Dr Phil?


there could be something that we've discussed a million times where we could have missed something thats vital to helping find Dylan.

 

[tresptip]

Since he claims he was going to take Dylan to Rylans at 11:00 am, but when he returned Dylan wasn't there.Wouldn't a normal parent be worried that their son was walking a very long distance and call the friend right away to see if he made it there,especially when he didn't see him walking along the road on the way?Why did he wait so long to see if Dylan made it to Ryans ok?

 

[aust amateur slueth]

We know that Dylan made the plans for 6:30am, but not necessarily that MR had agreed to that very specific time IMO.

R: So you went to run errands. Were you going to take him with you to run errands?

M: Well, there was some discussion he had with me the night before about leaving with me so I could drop him off in the Bayfield are with one of his friends that had been trying to text him or that he had been communicating with. As he had indicated to me he had been up until 4 o'clock in the morning the night before, he was tired from being in the airport most of the day in his travel from Colorado Springs to Durango. I laughed at him kind of jokingly because I know him. If he ain't got to get up, he's not likely to get up. And he's not the type of kid who's going to get up at 6:30 if he doesn't have to. But you know, his friends are important and I know they're important me. So there was a possibility but it doesn't surprise me he elected to not get up when I left. And when I left, he acknowledged everything I was saying to him and that I would be back. He knew when I came back that I would be working on getting him down to his friends. And that's part of the struggle we all have, you know, what happened to him between the time I left and when I got back. And that's what nobody seems to be able to answer.


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so MR was aware of the 6.30am time

 

[Eileen730]

good point.

poeople who live rural usually don't want to waste fuel by doing two trips when one will suffice.

I live city and theres no way I'd waste that sort of fuel by driving back and forth unnecessarily.

Not only that but it seems from MR that they had to get things at walmart again.

 

[Eileen730]

We know that Dylan made the plans for 6:30am, but not necessarily that MR had agreed to that very specific time IMO.

There is an Interview with MR in MSM where MR says Dylan had plans to go to R's house at 6 30 am..

If I can find it again ill post it but it is there it wasnt just Dylans plan MR approved this.

 

[Eileen730]

R: So you went to run errands. Were you going to take him with you to run errands?

M: Well, there was some discussion he had with me the night before about leaving with me so I could drop him off in the Bayfield are with one of his friends that had been trying to text him or that he had been communicating with. As he had indicated to me he had been up until 4 o'clock in the morning the night before, he was tired from being in the airport most of the day in his travel from Colorado Springs to Durango. I laughed at him kind of jokingly because I know him. If he ain't got to get up, he's not likely to get up. And he's not the type of kid who's going to get up at 6:30 if he doesn't have to. But you know, his friends are important and I know they're important me. So there was a possibility but it doesn't surprise me he elected to not get up when I left. And when I left, he acknowledged everything I was saying to him and that I would be back. He knew when I came back that I would be working on getting him down to his friends. And that's part of the struggle we all have, you know, what happened to him between the time I left and when I got back. And that's what nobody seems to be able to answer.


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CO CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #5

so MR was aware of the 6.30am time

BBM that wording catches my eye every time!

Trying to text him!

 

[tresptip]

R: So you went to run errands. Were you going to take him with you to run errands?

M: Well, there was some discussion he had with me the night before about leaving with me so I could drop him off in the Bayfield are with one of his friends that had been trying to text him or that he had been communicating with. As he had indicated to me he had been up until 4 o'clock in the morning the night before, he was tired from being in the airport most of the day in his travel from Colorado Springs to Durango. I laughed at him kind of jokingly because I know him. If he ain't got to get up, he's not likely to get up. And he's not the type of kid who's going to get up at 6:30 if he doesn't have to. But you know, his friends are important and I know they're important me. So there was a possibility but it doesn't surprise me he elected to not get up when I left. And when I left, he acknowledged everything I was saying to him and that I would be back. He knew when I came back that I would be working on getting him down to his friends. And that's part of the struggle we all have, you know, what happened to him between the time I left and when I got back. And that's what nobody seems to be able to answer.


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CO CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #5

so MR was aware of the 6.30am time

The way he says that makes it sound like his friend had been trying to text him that evening but was unable to get a hold of him.So, now I see why people were thinking maybe dad took his phone.

 

[azgrandma]

I do think it's possible she has a personal relationship with him beyond just being the mail carrier for his house/street. I'm not saying I think they're close friends or anything like that, although who knows - they could be. I think one or both of them probably would've mentioned that though. I just think they know each other better than, say, I know my own mail carrier.

I didn't mean to imply that she has a reason to be biased about the case. Thanks for asking so I could clarify.

I believe she's pretty sure she saw Dylan and that she would recognize him. I wish we knew more in terms of why, because it seems strange to me that she'd be able to recognize him, potentially from a distance, if she doesn't see him often. It would make a lot more sense IMO if she knows MR/Dylan outside of just her job, or if she knew Dylan before (i.e. if she has a child who went to school with Dylan). I don't feel like she's being dishonest about what she saw or thinks she saw, though.

I feel for her. If she is completely sure she saw Dylan, then at this point she's the last known person to see him, other than the boy he was walking with. She's also the only person other than MR who can back up MR's story that Dylan was alive that afternoon. Seems like a lot of pressure on her to be sure that she's right and could definitively recognize Dyaln, IMO. If that makes any sense.

Jumping off your post and catching up, sorry if this has been discussed.
I do believe that the mail lady believes that she saw Dylan. I'm just not sure that she DID see Dylan. My reasoning is that the times and distances do not make sense in my mind, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

I'm not believing she made the story up. I think she saw two boys. I think that she s/w MR, found out Dylan was missing and thought back to the previous day. I think that once she did that she remembered seeing two boys walking.

From that point I think that she wants to have seen Dylan walking with another boy. Not to be deceptive at all. The type of "hey I think I saw him walking with another boy yesterday headed towards........." type of thing. Perhaps MR then said, well please please go report it to the SO.

IMO two little boys walking with hoodies on (which I take to mean the hoods were up) are hard to recognize from a distance. I do feel for this woman if anyone thinks that she is intentionally being untruthful. She has reported something she saw and that's it.

Try a little experiment today, look at one random person on the street today. Less than a minute look. Don't write anything down at all. Then tomorrow, see what all you can remember. You'd be amazed at what you don't remember even when you are trying to remember. We run into so many people in our day to day lives that you can't possibly keep track of all of them unless there is something significant and distinctive.

 

[Kamille]

BBM that wording catches my eye every time!

Trying to text him!

Especially when you consider the phone seems to have disappeared during that conversation with R. Unless that last electronic communication was from the phone and there were other texts to other friends from that phone after 8:15ish and Dylan just chose not to acknowledge R's text about the sliding door. Or the last one about calling first, that he sent at 9:27pm.

Not sure why ER would indicate no texts sometime after 8pm though. She would have gotten the records. I don't think she would have just gone from R's information that he never heard from Dylan after that.

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Especially when you consider the phone seems to have disappeared during that conversation with R. Unless that last electronic communication was from the phone and there were other texts to other friends from that phone after 8:15ish and Dylan just chose not to acknowledge R's text about the sliding door. Or the last one about calling first, that he sent at 9:27pm.

Not sure why ER would indicate no texts sometime after 8pm though. She would have gotten the records. I don't think she would have just gone from R's information that he never heard from Dylan after that.

:waitasec:

MOO

I believe ER would have access to the records and IIRC we have no confirmation that the 9.37pm text was from Dylans phone, LE did not specify what device that was from, they did confirm that they had found Dylans iPod texting account which could give a tip about what device it was from.

 

[Eileen730]

The way he says that makes it sound like his friend had been trying to text him that evening but was unable to get a hold of him.So, now I see why people were thinking maybe dad took his phone.

Exactly!
I think he did take that phone and I feel the last text was not from Dylan at all.

 

[Eileen730]

Especially when you consider the phone seems to have disappeared during that conversation with R. Unless that last electronic communication was from the phone and there were other texts to other friends from that phone after 8:15ish and Dylan just chose not to acknowledge R's text about the sliding door. Or the last one about calling first, that he sent at 9:27pm.

Not sure why ER would indicate no texts sometime after 8pm though. She would have gotten the records. I don't think she would have just gone from R's information that he never heard from Dylan after that.

:waitasec:

MOO

Probably because there was no more activity on that phone after that 8 15 time.

Maybe he sent a text from his fathers phone then erased it so dad couldnt see.

Wouldnt that be a kicker!

 

[Eileen730]

I believe the plan, if there was one, would have been for him to drop Dylan off in Bayfield at his friend's house before going into Durango for his meeting.

MOO

I agree and this is where that 6 30 time came from ill bet!
I think MR said he had to be at the office early and if D wanted to go to his friends hed have to drop him off at 6 30.

JMO

 

[Eileen730]

Wonder how much longer we will repeat the same messages over and over and keep discussing Dr. Phil?

Hoping LE will issue a news release soon, so that we can actually move on and help with finding Dylan.

I think this all will be repeated over and over again Till they find Dylan!
go to the Holly Bobo threads and its the same thing.



What would moving on do to help find Dylan?

Move on to what?

I think all we can really talk about is what we know about!
Just saying!

 

[tresptip]

I believe ER would have access to the records and IIRC we have no confirmation that the 9.37pm text was from Dylans phone, LE did not specify what device that was from, they did confirm that they had found Dylans iPod texting account which could give a tip about what device it was from.

Have they mentioned what was said on the 9:37 pm text?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Wonder how much longer we will repeat the same messages over and over and keep discussing Dr. Phil?

Hoping LE will issue a news release soon, so that we can actually move on and help with finding Dylan.

Yeah, and in a few months, the discussion here will move at a snail's pace, with one post every couple of days....

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Have they mentioned what was said on the 9:37 pm text?

I don't think so, at least I've not heard or seen anything about what was said.

IMO if it was above board we would have heard all about it, I have suspicions that it wasn't sent by Dylan.

 

[SCHMAE]

Have they mentioned what was said on the 9:37 pm text?

No and I wish they would. It's either so insignificant it warrants no mention , just boys chattering or it's SO significant they cannot share for tipping off their perp !