CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #44

[Psychic Sleuth]

This is an excellent question! I'll spend some time this evening on maps, see what the geography and access is like around some of the other reservoirs. Vallecito Reservoir is an obvious place to look because of easy access (right along the road) IMO

My guess is the reason that LE is focused on this specific lake is that MR kept indicating that Dylan's pole was gone, Dylan has a friend that lives at this lake Dylan may have attempted to walk to this lake etc. It's MR who keeps bring up this lake. And remember he was not happy that it took LE so long to go search this lake?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I think one of the BIGGEST reasons Vallicito Reservoir is being looked at is because the dogs hit there, from the very beginning.

There are many other bodies of water, further from MR's home, but I think LE was focused in, when the dogs indicated there might be a reason too.

Salem

Why did LE go to THIS lake to begin with? Because that is where MR was directing them.

 

[ColdHands]

I think one of the BIGGEST reasons Vallicito Reservoir is being looked at is because the dogs hit there, from the very beginning.

There are many other bodies of water, further from MR's home, but I think LE was focused in, when the dogs indicated there might be a reason too.

Salem

I was thinking more along the lines of "Why would the body be in Vallecito rather than the other reservoirs," instead of "Why is anyone focusing a search on Vallecito?"

IMO there are several reasons to focus on Vallecito, and definitely the dog hits are one and MR pointing at it is another.

 

[findDylan]

I'm too lazy to go back and look, but was there a discussion about a "back way" into vallecito from Durango? And if so can someone point me in the right direction to the road that would have been taken? Please and thank you. With the talk of other lakes I had a thought.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I was thinking more along the lines of "Why would the body be in Vallecito rather than the other reservoirs," instead of "Why is anyone focusing a search on Vallecito?"

IMO there are several reasons to focus on Vallecito, and definitely the dog hits are one and MR pointing at it is another.

Again, now this is just my opinion. IF MR killed Dylan and needed to dispose of him (whether premeditated or not) and was hoping Dylan would be found and it ruled an accidental drowning then he would also need to come up with a viable reason for Dylan to be at this lake (rather than other lakes). The fishing pole and T living near the marina come to mind. That could be an explanation of why THIS particular lake.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

IF MR did it I assure you the last thing he wants to do is continue paying CS to Elaine. The only way that stops is IF A BODY IS FOUND. He would need for Dylan to be found.

 

[ColdHands]

Again, now this is just my opinion. IF MR killed Dylan and needed to dispose of him (whether premeditated or not) and was hoping Dylan would be found and it ruled an accidental drowning then he would also need to come up with a viable reason for Dylan to be at this lake (rather than other lakes). The fishing pole and T living near the marina come to mind. That could be an explanation of why THIS particular lake.

Yes, definitely agree.

If it wasn't MR though, would a perp have chosen Vallecito?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I was thinking more along the lines of "Why would the body be in Vallecito rather than the other reservoirs," instead of "Why is anyone focusing a search on Vallecito?"

IMO there are several reasons to focus on Vallecito, and definitely the dog hits are one and MR pointing at it is another.

Another reason to look there is because that is one of the most likely places Dylan would go. Whether MR is pointing in that direction because he did something or he could be pointing in that direction because he knows that is a likely place Dylan would go or be traveling near to visit with his friends.

All 3 reasons would be why it is so important to concentrate on that area to find Dylan.

The first place I would have searched would have been the entire river area traveling from MR's house or the end of the road to the lake. I would assume that this was done in the beginning.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I also question whether or not LE is being honest about the fishing pole they found. Is it possible that they did indeed find Dylan's pole and felt like it was perhaps staged? And this is that one little piece of evidence they are holding close to the vest? IMO this is possible. I don't know how they would find the owner of a fishing pole at or around the lake. Unless this person were near the fishing pole? I believe the campgrounds were closed for the winter (or at least most of them) so how did they find the owner of the pole?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Yes, definitely agree.

If it wasn't MR though, would a perp have chosen Vallecito?

Possibly? I think if Dylan ran into a bad person in the woods around the lake then perhaps this bad person would put him in that lake. I believe the campgrounds were closed (or most of them) for the winter, so that entire east side of the lake probably had little to no traffic or witnesses.

 

[ColdHands]

I also question whether or not LE is being honest about the fishing pole they found. Is it possible that they did indeed find Dylan's pole and felt like it was perhaps staged? And this is that one little piece of evidence they are holding close to the vest? IMO this is possible. I don't know how they would find the owner of a fishing pole at or around the lake. Unless this person were near the fishing pole? I believe the campgrounds were closed for the winter (or at least most of them) so how did they find the owner of the pole?

I totally agree. I've always wondered how they would identify the owner of the pole, who identified it and I thought I read it was returned to the owner (although I would need to pull links to prove that even to myself).

If it was Dylan's that would seem to support that MR did it and is trying to create an accident scenario. IMO.

 

[tresptip]

Again, now this is just my opinion. IF MR killed Dylan and needed to dispose of him (whether premeditated or not) and was hoping Dylan would be found and it ruled an accidental drowning then he would also need to come up with a viable reason for Dylan to be at this lake (rather than other lakes). The fishing pole and T living near the marina come to mind. That could be an explanation of why THIS particular lake.

Dad would have had to tie Dylans hands up ,tape his mouth shut,and hold Dylan under the water till he drowned.But then there would be traces of duct tape on his mouth and signs of his hands being tied so it couldn't be ruled an accidental drowning.How could he drown him and make it look accidental?Then again,he could just be a stupid criminal and had never thought it through.

 

[sreshowtime]

I'm too lazy to go back and look, but was there a discussion about a "back way" into vallecito from Durango? And if so can someone point me in the right direction to the road that would have been taken? Please and thank you. With the talk of other lakes I had a thought.

Hmm was that that CoRd240/Florida Rd, running between 501 and 550 in Durango? I see that and some other off shoots that could be used.

 

[cluciano63]

If MR had simply taken his phone from him, it should not have stopped all activity, which is how I take LE's various statements.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I totally agree. I've always wondered how they would identify the owner of the pole, who identified it and I thought I read it was returned to the owner (although I would need to pull links to prove that even to myself).

If it was Dylan's that would seem to support that MR did it and is trying to create an accident scenario. IMO.

Correct! And I have to say again, that LE FBI and CBI are not stupid. I do have faith in them and their abilities. I'll bet the thought of MR possibly doing something to him was right at the forefront of possibilities. We all know that the first person you look at is the last person they were known to have been with. This is basic homicide 101.

But the reason they went to THIS lake and searched to begin with is because that's where MR was indicating that he might be. Why would MR be so stupid as to lead them to a body if he killed him? Simple. He was hoping it would be ruled an accidental drowning and he needs him to be found so CS payments stop. Before I learned about the change in child support I never contemplated this being premeditated. But now I wonder....

This is JMHO

 

[findDylan]

Hmm was that that CoRd240/Florida Rd, running between 501 and 550 in Durango? I see that and some other off shoots that could be used.

Thank you. Off to do a little reasearch.

 

[tresptip]

If MR had simply taken his phone from him, it should not have stopped all activity, which is how I take LE's various statements.

You would think if he had taken his phone,that he would have given it back to him in the morning unless he took his phone away because he knew Dylan would never be needing it again.

 

[sreshowtime]

Hmmm is the lake a diversion, away from where Dylan might actually be, if MR invovled.?? Instead of where he may be 'indicating' ... where is he NOT 'indicating'?

 

[asyousay]

The problem i have with Mark taking his phone ( theory) is that as soon as Mark leaves there is facebook and the landline that Dylan could use to explain the situation . In today's day and age there are various ways to communicate with the world.


:cow:

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Hmmm is the lake a diversion, away from where Dylan might actually be, if MR invovled.?? Instead of where he may be 'indicating' ... where is he NOT 'indicating'?

LOL could be a misleading indication. But I really think he needs Dylan to be found (if he did do it). He really doesn't want to continue paying Elaine CS.

IMO from what I have seen MR does not appear to be the sharpest tool in the shed. I think this could be very simple (as I explained on the last page) but the plan is not successful if Dylan is not found.