CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #46

[Ransom]

I am gratified that some things have been cleared up and we no longer have to speculate about them or have it brought up that it's not confirmed. Like even after LE released the info about the 9:37 pm text from Dylan's phone, it didn't get taken as truthful until Elaine confirmed it, which took MONTHS. So for MONTHS we discussed it AFTER LE told us about it. IMO, JMO.

No kidding.

 

[Ransom]

No they did not go through Bayfield to my knowledge. But interesting isn't it? Supposedly from McDonald's they went home on Florida Rd.

I think some might have missed IN Vallecito, etc. IN Vallecito means where 501 and 500 meet and/or go around the lake and North. JMO.

ETA: Scores original link to avoid confusion:

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[Seajay]

As we have discussed, and continue to discuss tonight, many of the things that have been confirmed previously.

IMO JMO

Except on this one we discussed it and it kept getting challenged that it did not coincide with what Elaine had said. It wasn't accepted to all until Elaine confirmed it on Dr. Phil. LE's word wasn't taken as confirmation for a long time.


Sort of like the way they said either something inside the house or outside it by Bender couldn't think of a 3 possibility wasn't taken that Dylan ever made it to Mark's house, even though when Bender said this, it pretty much stated he had made it to the house.

 

[patti]

a few of us Team Dylan warriors announced it on our personal time lines asking Prayer Warriors to Pray/Moment of Silence for Dylan at 9:37 pm in each time zone.. We are doing it every night till Dylan is found... "Asking for all prayer warriors to take a moment every night until Dylan is found, @ (find your time PACIFIC TIME ~ 8:37, MOUNTAIN TIME ~ 9:37, CENTRAL TIME ~ 10:37, EASTERN TIME ~ 11:37) And for 1 minute we need to pray to God with all the Faith we have, for answers as to where Dylan is. For Dylan to be Found. And for those who do not pray, in that 1 minute, just a moment of silence, while we all pray"

 

[dlc]

Except on this one we discussed it and it kept getting challenged that it did not coincide with what Elaine had said. It wasn't accepted to all until Elaine confirmed it on Dr. Phil. LE's word wasn't taken as confirmation for a long time.


Sort of like the way they said either something inside the house or outside it by Bender couldn't think of a 3 possibility wasn't taken that Dylan ever made it to Mark's house, even though when Bender said this, it pretty much stated he had made it to the house.

BBM

Not sure what you're saying here (last paragraph) -- it's late -- maybe my eyes aren't working properly.

But I hear you on some of your other points. Kind of like people wouldn't accept the idea of cell service at MR's house, even when we had various forms of confirmation of it, or the previous statements by LE that had seemed to rule out the mail lady's sighting. I'm sure some people are still thinking that DR ran away, even though that was discounted by LE quite a while back.

Frustrating!

IMO, JMO

 

[Annie1004]

I am curious why the press release came out today. On its surface, it doesn't give us any late-breaking news except confirmation that Dylan made it to Mark's house that Sunday. There has to be a strategic reason, IMHO, since press releases are few and far between from LE.

It's good that we are poring over the wording because there just may be a not-so-obvious purpose from LE's standpoint.

 

[Seajay]

I only came here tonight to say that I'm still praying for Dylan to come home, alive. I'm not here for anything else so I'm going to bow out now. It's not my turn. Signing off now.

 

[Emma Ems]

I don't think anyone missed it; it seems that people are pointing out that it appears that MR did not file a _report_. Rather, he asked if the Marshals had _seen_ him (Dylan).

IMO, JMO

I mentioned this earlier, but would like to mention it again because I was wondering if anyone could recall this. It seems I remember reading about a case where someone went to LE about their kids being missing and LE at the time didn't take their concerns seriously and wouldn't file a report????

I am wondering if SO asked Bayfield why a report wasn't filed and this was their response to kind of cover their booties about not filing one. If they didn't file one when Mark came in would they have been in trouble? Another part of me asks why didn't they insist one be filed when he came in asking that? That part just concerns me because when kids are MIA while it may be that they are just at a friends or whatever when they don't keep in close contact with their parents they could also be in real danger and I really think that anytime they are notified/or spoken with when a parent can't find their child they should really start on a report.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Pretty difficult for MR to "go into" the Marshal's office considering they were closed at the time he claims he went. Never heard anything about him calling them either, (to dispatch an officer), but I suppose that story will surface eventually.

BAYFIELD MARSHAL'S OFFICE

Hours of Operation
Monday - Friday
9 am - 3 pm
Phone: 884-9636
Emergency: 9-1-1
24-Hour dispatch: 385-2900
Fax: 970-884-2195

http://www.bayfieldgov.org/services/marshals.asp

 

[TxJan1971]

A poster previously pointed out that the Bayfield Marshall's Office may not have even been open when MR made it there after 4:00’ish.

The Marshall's Office website states the hours of operation are Monday to Friday 9:00 am to 3:00 pm.

MR would have arrived there at least an hour after the closing time listed on their website.

The Marshall’s Office website does state they have a 24-hour dispatch number listed on their website.

Is there someone always there after closing time (3:00 p.m.) to take reports? Anyone know?

Maybe when they say MR "contacted" the Marshall's Office they mean after he got there and they were closed that he called the dispatch number and spoke with someone, but that's assuming there was no one there in the office at 4:00'ish. Maybe someone is always there and MR actually went in and spoke with someone and filed a report. Who knows...

Link to Bayfield Marshall's Office Website:
http://www.bayfieldgov.org/services/marshals.asp

 

[fedfan4life]

I am curious why the press release came out today. On its surface, it doesn't give us any late-breaking news except confirmation that Dylan made it to Mark's house that Sunday. There has to be a strategic reason, IMHO, since press releases are few and far between from LE.

It's good that we are poring over the wording because there just may be a not-so-obvious purpose from LE's standpoint.

Fantastic question, and one to which noone has the answer, unfortunately.

 

[fedfan4life]

Although it is my belief that it was artfully worded, and with good intent, there are others (in general) that may be employed in the business of proofing documents and may be better suited to advise us (in geneal) on the entire document. I work in finances so I'm no expert in documents. IMO

You are so very gracious, Betsy. I am truly in awe of that...

 

[TxJan1971]

MR talks about going to Marshall's Office during MB Interview:

MR:
"As I was going down to Bayfield to check with Ryan, who I found at his friend Fernando’s house, and as soon as I went to Fernan…’cos I don’t know where all of them live –- but I knew a couple of ‘em live -- enough to get pointed in the right direction. First place I went, Boom… there’s Ryan and Fernando, and first words out of their mouth, “We haven’t heard from Dylan all day.”

That’s when it hit me that something wasn’t right, and I immediately went to the Marshall’s office in Bayfield.

Melissa Blasius:
Do you remember what you told them?

Mark Redwine:
Well, I told them that I hadn’t heard from Dylan all day and I didn’t think much of it and when I got down to the Marshall’s Office or to his friend Ryan’s house or Fernando…anyway... when I ran across his friends and they hadn’t heard from him – then that’s when I went over to the Marshall’s Office and told them that, you know, we need to find him, make contact with him. They were going to put out like a wellness check or they just notify the local authorities to keep an eye out for him and make contact with him so somebody can “bang him in the head” and say, “Hey, your dad’s trying to get a hold of you. Your friends are trying to get a hold of you. You need to communicate to somebody.

But at that moment in time…, I felt the need to address this issue with mom, so I immediately asked her had she heard from him and indicated to her that I hadn’t heard from him all day and that I was at the Marshall’s office taking care of this, and that’s when pretty much all hell broke loose with her.

 

[mixologist74]

Mark ISN'T a suspect or even a POI at this point. I understand being able to speak about him here because he is allegedly the last person to see Dylan, but it's possible that someone else saw Dylan after, and it wasn't a complete stranger. JMO.

 

[Ransom]

Pretty difficult for MR to "go into" the Marshal's office considering they were closed at the time he claims he went. Never heard anything about him calling them either, (to dispatch an officer), but I suppose that story will surface eventually.

BAYFIELD MARSHAL'S OFFICE

Hours of Operation
Monday - Friday
9 am - 3 pm
Phone: 884-9636
Emergency: 9-1-1
24-Hour dispatch: 385-2900
Fax: 970-884-2195

http://www.bayfieldgov.org/services/marshals.asp

They don't go by those times, IMO. Town Hall is open until 5:00 pm (same building) in a small town. PLEASE refer to Dan Bender's release to Tricia about MR going there. TIA.

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Mark Redwine, Dylan’s father, had previously contacted the Bayfield Marshal’s Office on the 19th attempting to learn if they had seen Dylan, and he then contacted Elaine asking if she had heard from Dylan.
:seeya: HTH

 

[mixologist74]

It is my understanding that they account for this in the way they ask the questions. If they did not, then no parent could ever pass a LDT in the case of a missing or harmed child because I guarantee you that there is no parent out there - even those completely innocent - that do not feel guilt when their child has been taken or hurt, even if there was nothing they could have done to prevent it...

I agree, and this is why we have a lot of parents who do fail polygraphs, even when they're innocent. Parental guilt. Look at Breanne Rodriguez's parents. That's a great example.

 

[TxJan1971]

Various MSM articles about MR notifying LE that DR is missing:


Time not stated
Mark Redwine calls police to report Dylan missing. Shortly after, La Plata County Search and Rescue begins searching for Dylan in areas near County Road 500, where his father lives, north of Vallecito Reservoir.
http://durangoherald.com/article/20...ws01/Timeline-of-events-in-Dylan-Redwine-case

Time not mentioned
Mark Redwine, Dylan’s father, had previously contacted the Bayfield Marshall’s Office on the 19th attempting to learn if they had seen Dylan, and he then contacted Elaine asking if she had heard from Dylan.
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A little before 5:00 pm
Mark reported Dylan as missing a little before 5 p.m. Monday after he was unable to find him during the afternoon.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...in-bayfield-area-for-missing-dylan-redwine-13

5:30 p.m.
Dylan's father, Mark Redwine, reported him missing to sheriff's deputies at about 5:30 p.m. on Nov. 19.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...rchers-say-leads-fizzle-14-year#ixzz2O2uCDzIy

Just before 6 p.m.
Mark Redwine alerted law enforcement about Dylan’s absence just before 6 p.m. Nov. 19, Bender said.
http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...ment-says-missing-teenager-did-not-run-away--

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Fantastic question, and one to which noone has the answer, unfortunately.

I don't have the answer either, but I was wondering if it is because as of today it has been four months since Dylan disappeared.

 

[Redhead72]

The wording is very weird to me too, almost in the sense of looking at it like this: If someone went into a PD of any kind and asked, "Have you seen my kid" you would think they would have made a report, or would have had him make a report since Dylan is a minor and had been MIA for quite a few hours without contact. I don't want to dog LE for anything but could it be they 'brushed' him off when he came in thinking Dylan was just being a kid, when they should have filed a report, but didn't?

Sorry if this has already been all spoken about, catching up a bit after taking a much needed nap that has restored much of my energy...

I know if it were my child vs. my husband I would have handled it a bit differently, but before we had a car with onstar, my husband was very, very late coming home from work in the early am (still dark). Before starting to call around to all of the hospitals, and before waking his boss up at home, I called my local Sheriff's office non-emergency number to ask if there had been any accidents reported that night.

The dispatch officer I spoke with confirmed to me that there had been no accidents, and that if I wasn't able to reach him within a couple hours, and if his boss, nor others had seen him, that I was to call back and tell them. I don't know if any notation was made of my call as I don't remember them asking me a bunch of information such as my name, etc... and I was calling from a pre-paid cell phone, so it's not like the info. would have shown up on their system.

She understood that I was a bit paranoid at the time because 2 weeks before they had responded to an accident with fatality of my husband's co-worker on that same stretch of road. Of course, this was an adult male, and not a minor. And, I'm aware that it would be some time (48 hrs. I think) before an actual missing person's report could have been filed.

I think the fact that ER was able to file the report in the first place is because they couldn't confirm any communication with Dylan (at that time) since she texted with him that his Dad had picked him up. Of course, upon filing the report they would be able to check store tapes, etc... to begin tracing his steps after he arrived in the area.

ETA: I knew I should have kept reading before replying. I see now that this matter is still being discussed in fact. I will read through the rest of all the posts before commenting again. Sorry if I brought anything back up that's been covered...
BBM

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I am curious why the press release came out today. On its surface, it doesn't give us any late-breaking news except confirmation that Dylan made it to Mark's house that Sunday. There has to be a strategic reason, IMHO, since press releases are few and far between from LE.

It's good that we are poring over the wording because there just may be a not-so-obvious purpose from LE's standpoint.

IMO, the reason for the press release could be due to a large volume of inquiries from the public about clarification on these issues that have been discussed. The large volume of inquiries could have been taking up time that they needed to be utilizing elsewhere. Instead of answering everyone individually, they did a press release.