CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #46

[ColdHands]

JMO but I don't think DR ever walked outside MR's home. Somehow left.MOO

"Somehow left." Taken at face value those words mean "left, but we don't know how - on foot or in car, alone or with someone." IMO.

In my normal speech, somehow is deprecated. "Somehow figured it out," implies less intelligence than "Figured it out," like there's an element of disbelief attached.

My own interpretation and I'd be interested in hearing other opinions.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Dylan was reported missing on Monday, November 19, 2012, when Dylan’s mother, Elaine Redwine, contacted the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office at about 5:30 PM to report that Dylan was missing from his father’s home in Vallecito. Mark Redwine, Dylan’s father, had previously contacted the Bayfield Marshal’s Office on the 19th attempting to learn if they had seen Dylan, and he then contacted Elaine asking if she had heard from Dylan.

BBM - Pretty telling words here: "Attempting" to learn if they had seen Dylan.

According to MR it really "hit" him when he went to N's house and found out Dylan hadn't been seen or heard from all day. So if it "hit" him, why no report? And why the statement that his ex-wife was making "too much" out of the situation? How long did HE think it would be prudent to leave his child "missing" without reporting it? There's something seriously wrong with that man.

IIRC I don't think MR has ever clearly stated that he actually talked to anyone at the Marshall's office did he? He attempted to, but that is not necessarily the same as actually speaking to someone.

 

[MissJ]

"Somehow left." Taken at face value those words mean "left, but we don't know how - on foot or in car, alone or with someone." IMO.

In my normal speech, somehow is deprecated. "Somehow figured it out," implies less intelligence than "Figured it out," like there's an element of disbelief attached.

My own interpretation and I'd be interested in hearing other opinions.

I agree. The part about my thinking DR did not leave on foot was just MO but I do agree with what you are saying.:seeya::twocents::moo:

 

[NC Analyzer]

IIRC I don't think MR has ever clearly stated that he actually talked to anyone at the Marshall's office did he? He attempted to, but that is not necessarily the same as actually speaking to someone.

Meh, he probably talked to "somebody"...how else would he "attempt" to learn if they had seen Dylan. But that's a far cry from filing a missing child report.

 

[raine1212]

the phone's location that is :twocents:

I am a little foggy on the earlier texts that Dylan sent to friends.... but iirc weren't they before he would have been confirmed in the home? I am wondering now if the reason the last text verbage has not been released is because it was not Dylan's texting style???

(this would also fit with what the press release states: (sic) that they still don't know if something happened to Dylan in the home)

:twocents::twocents:

Thank you for posting the press release. I am glad to see that they have a lot they are working on. It is the first press release in my recollection that did not address the topic of persons of interest/suspects. I tend to think they are making a lot of progress.:twocents:

That's what I meant the phone location.. thanks nurse

 

[SCHMAE]

Dylan was reported missing on Monday, November 19, 2012, when Dylan’s mother, Elaine Redwine, contacted the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office at about 5:30 PM to report that Dylan was missing from his father’s home in Vallecito. Mark Redwine, Dylan’s father, had previously contacted the Bayfield Marshal’s Office on the 19th attempting to learn if they had seen Dylan, and he then contacted Elaine asking if she had heard from Dylan.

BBM - Pretty telling words here: "Attempting" to learn if they had seen Dylan.

According to MR it really "hit" him when he went to N's house and found out Dylan hadn't been seen or heard from all day. So if it "hit" him, why no report? And why the statement that his ex-wife was making "too much" out of the situation? How long did HE think it would be prudent to leave his child "missing" without reporting it? There's something seriously wrong with that man.

Tks for the BBM. It gave me a thought of MR ' fishing' for info. You know what I mean? Not so much as OMG has anyone seen my boy, but perhaps more like ' anyone notice anything amiss ( about ME ?) or DR today ? ' UGH. I want to be wrong but my 90% keeps on wanting to bump up to 95% !

 

[Bayou Mistress]

The exact order appears to be in dispute. I really do not think it matters in the scheme of things. Mark asked Elaine if she knew where Dylan was and he also went to the city law enforcement officials. I'm not at all convinced the order in which these things happened is important or is a clue. What Mark did makes sense to me.....(not saying its accurate, just that it could make sense).

And the press release was written by LPCSO...not the Bayfield Marshall's who could speak directly about what happened. The sheriff has jurisdiction. Mark went to the closest LE to where he was at the MOMENT. It was the wrong place, but hell, who thinks of that when their kid is mia. (again, one way of looking at it)

 

[song22]

Except on this one we discussed it and it kept getting challenged that it did not coincide with what Elaine had said. It wasn't accepted to all until Elaine confirmed it on Dr. Phil. LE's word wasn't taken as confirmation for a long time.


Sort of like the way they said either something inside the house or outside it by Bender couldn't think of a 3 possibility wasn't taken that Dylan ever made it to Mark's house, even though when Bender said this, it pretty much stated he had made it to the house.

For me, the difference is in the word "confirmed". In the past, I took Bender's statements (with regards to whether DR made it to the house that night)to be more like his "best guess" or his working theory. A lot of us suspected that DR might not have made it to MR's that night. It was one theory. But with this new information, which many of us are very carefully going over, we have revised our own theories. That's how it works! I know for my part, I am thinking very critically and carefully as I consider this case, and I believe others are, too.

As for Elaine's input, yes. I do put a lot of weight into what she says, because I believe her to be very credible. I also believe the mother of a missing child who has no credibility issues to be a good source of information. JMO

 

[MissJ]

My two cents: FWIW MR is involved and LE knows it. But maybe some others know something or were involved...MOO

 

[ColdHands]

Tks for the BBM. It gave me a thought of MR ' fishing' for info. You know what I mean? Not so much as OMG has anyone seen my boy, but perhaps more like ' anyone notice anything amiss ( about ME ?) or DR today ? ' UGH. I want to be wrong but my 90% keeps on wanting to bump up to 95% !

Given the way Mark speaks, he may have thought he said, "Please file a missing persons report on my son." And what the Marshall actually heard was...something completely different.

ETA: I think he went to the closest LE and also may have been thinking if Dylan had gone anywhere it would have been to Bayfield.

 

[asyousay]

I'm of the other opinion. I don't personally see a shred of evidence that points to MR having to anything to do with Dylan's disappearance, other than he was allegedly the last person to have seen Dylan.

But then i do not see a shred of evidence that points to anybody else besides Mark


:cow:

 

[mixologist74]

I find this interesting:

"Investigators learned that Mark has said he last saw Dylan at around 7:30 AM Monday, November 19, 2012 at his home in Vallecito when Mark left for Durango to run errands. Investigators have also learned Mark returned home at about 11:30 AM and discovered that Dylan was gone."

The first sentence is clearly based on what MR told them, while the second sentence seems to indicate it is something LE independently confirmed. Anyone else read it that way?

Salem

This is how I read it too, Salem.

 

[song22]

I mentioned this earlier, but would like to mention it again because I was wondering if anyone could recall this. It seems I remember reading about a case where someone went to LE about their kids being missing and LE at the time didn't take their concerns seriously and wouldn't file a report????

I am wondering if SO asked Bayfield why a report wasn't filed and this was their response to kind of cover their booties about not filing one. If they didn't file one when Mark came in would they have been in trouble? Another part of me asks why didn't they insist one be filed when he came in asking that? That part just concerns me because when kids are MIA while it may be that they are just at a friends or whatever when they don't keep in close contact with their parents they could also be in real danger and I really think that anytime they are notified/or spoken with when a parent can't find their child they should really start on a report.

I know what you're saying, professionals can drop the ball and do so, just like everyone else. I'm sure there are many cases of this happening. In this case it would be another coincidence to add to a long list of coincidences. Also, I do believe it would be up to the parent to file a missing person's report, especially if MR said there was no need to, he wasn't that concerned, just checking in etcetc--this is just speculation on my part. I do notice some inconsistencies on how concerned MR really was. Like someone pointed out before, "It hit him" after he went to N's house, but then he didn't actually file a missing person's report (according to this press release) and he also made those comments about ER making a bigger deal out of it than it needed to be.

In my own opinion, I believe that MR lies and manipulates. I believe he does that thing that liars do. He went to the Marshalls office technically. I think it was probably closed as per their posted hours. I think he talked to someone in City Hall, maybe something like--"Hey, Have you seen Dylan? That boy hasn't called me all day. You know how teenagers are. If you see him can you bang him in the head and tell him to communicate with me?" and then he could technically say he was at the Marshall's office. In the uncut interview with MB I noticed that MR was explaining at one point that there was some confusion about why the Sheriff's office had no idea Dylan was missing. I thought at the time, why does he feel a need to explain? Like he's a kid caught in a lie. JMO

 

[mixologist74]

The only real surprise is that Dylan was confirmed to make it to the home that evening. That has to be the significance of the 9:37pm communication, in that it is linked to the house itself (i.e. using a wireless router)

May I inquire as to what you find so surprising about it?

 

[scorekeeper]

Mark - going to Marshal's Office - either talking or not talking to someone

Mark - going to T's house - either talking or not taking to someone

Which is it?

To me this shows how he consistently changes his story.

JMO

 

[mixologist74]

At first glance I thought, oh this all points at Mark, but then I reread this

So this leaves room for both a Mark Did It and a Some One Else Did It scenario. But the word "somehow" makes the second a bit less likely. IMO

The somehow would be easy. Dylan wasn't a baby, and was fully capable of walking out the front door by himself, especially with Mark not home.

 

[TxLady2]

I find this interesting:

"Investigators learned that Mark has said he last saw Dylan at around 7:30 AM Monday, November 19, 2012 at his home in Vallecito when Mark left for Durango to run errands. Investigators have also learned Mark returned home at about 11:30 AM and discovered that Dylan was gone."

The first sentence is clearly based on what MR told them, while the second sentence seems to indicate it is something LE independently confirmed. Anyone else read it that way?

Salem

Yes, I took it the same way. There really isn't any way that they can confirm the time Mark says he saw Dylan Mon. morning, but they were able to confirm that Mark and Dylan made it to his house Sun. night. I am not even going to guess how they confirmed that, I am just taking their word for it.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I wonder if Dylan's cell phone was set to switch to wifi when it was available? This is how I have my cell phone set up.

 

[asyousay]

Mark - going to Marshal's Office - either talking or not talking to someone

Mark - going to T's house - either talking or not taking to someone

Which is it?

To me this shows how he consistently changes his story.

JMO

Which to me indicates he is hiding something :cow:


A honest person does not need to keep on changing there version of events ..:cow:

 

[SCHMAE]

Given the way Mark speaks, he may have thought he said, "Please file a missing persons report on my son." And what the Marshall actually heard was...something completely different.

ETA: I think he went to the closest LE and also may have been thinking if Dylan had gone anywhere it would have been to Bayfield.

LOL! And the marshall heard ' hey dude, do you know a good burger place in town. I had a salad for lunch but I'm still hungry. Did you watch dancing with the stars last night? Look a bird ' !