CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #46

[scorekeeper]

I think that those people could be wrong. I read also that that dogs picked up a scent leading down the road.

Any mention of the dogs getting a scent "along the road/down the road"
HAVE BEEN FB RUMORS.

So until LE tells me they picked up Dylan's scent, I am not inclined to believe what is posted on FB.

I do believe now that Dylan made it to Marks because LE said so....

 

[SCHMAE]

above is the post of Mark talking during his interview

here's what the Press Release stated:

Mark Redwine, Dylan’s father, had previously contacted the Bayfield Marshal’s Office on the 19th attempting to learn if they had seen Dylan,

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This struck me just now more so than before for some reason ... from txjan's post ..''' “Hey, your dad’s trying to get a hold of you. Your friends are trying to get a hold of you. You need to communicate to somebody.''''

How many times has MR said someone ' communicated or tried to communicate or we should communicate''? We've discussed it many times but for some reason I just had a light bulb moment. He wants Dylan to communicate with someone, why not call or text? Why communicate? Is it because MR knows he cannot call or text because he knows where his phone is? Now I want to go scrutinize his other uses of 'communicate' vsjust a call or a text. It just seems a much more natural thing would be ' call us back'
. Does MR use the word communicate when he knows there is no chance of that person 'calling or texting or emailing' ?

 

[mixologist74]

Any mention of the dogs getting a scent "along the road/down the road"
HAVE BEEN FB RUMORS.

So until LE tells me they picked up Dylan's scent, I am not inclined to believe what is posted on FB.

I do believe now that Dylan made it to Marks because LE said so....

Here is my problem with that: Dogs can't talk. :moo:

There are an awful lot of factors that go into working scent dogs. IMO, if no scent was picked up, it was due to dogs being brought in at the wrong time of day, and a whole slew of other reasons. Also, IIRC, there were no items at MR's home that had only Dylan's scent.

 

[mixologist74]

This struck me just now more so than before for some reason ... from txjan's post ..''' “Hey, your dad’s trying to get a hold of you. Your friends are trying to get a hold of you. You need to communicate to somebody.''''

How many times has MR said someone ' communicated or tried to communicate or we should communicate''? We've discussed it many times but for some reason I just had a light bulb moment. He wants Dylan to communicate with someone, why not call or text? Why communicate? Is it because MR knows he cannot call or text because he knows where his phone is? Now I want to go scrutinize his other uses of 'communicate' vsjust a call or a text. It just seems a much more natural thing would be ' call us back'
. Does MR use the word communicate when he knows there is no chance of that person 'calling or texting or emailing' ?

Perhaps this is just the way he talks? He used the word "communicate" a lot on DP show too. Me thinks that's just reaching. JMO, of course.

 

[Tink56]

Any mention of the dogs getting a scent "along the road/down the road"
HAVE BEEN FB RUMORS.

So until LE tells me they picked up Dylan's scent, I am not inclined to believe what is posted on FB.

I do believe now that Dylan made it to Marks because LE said so....

I started reading about this in the last two weeks, so I'm late to the "game." However, when reading the media links above, I found this quote from a November 26, 2012, article. The article states that dogs tracked his scent to the lake? Has this been verified, one way or another?

Seven divers from New Mexico State Police searched Vallecito Lake through the weekend after the dogs followed the scent to the lake, according to KMGH.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...r-colorado-boy-who-vanished-during-dad-visit/

And, I was struck by MR's comment about Dylan arriving without a coat. Did MR buy a coat for Dylan at WalMart? Was the child without a coat?

 

[rebeccaeee]

The only thing I can think of to address that lack of texting on Monday morning is that MR somehow disabled/smashed/threw out DR's phone the evening before or even that morning. That could also give him loads of guilt of removing his only means of communicating with NO idea he would be missing and now knowing that if DR only had that phone , even working for just the first 30 minutes after he ' left ' home then the pings would give some indication of which direction he was headed. This is a stretch and a straw grasp for sure, but it's about the only way I can see to make MR innocent and DR still with no phone. If that is the case, I would hope MR has told LE this. It's highly unlikely, but it could happen. I could win the lotto tonight too

At least you are trying to justify that 5-10% that holds out for someone besides MR being responsible. I appreciate that! It allows for the possibility of some of the evidence still adding up. I don't agree, but I salute your continued efforts to look at all angles. If you win the lotto, please toss some $$ to the FindDylan fund before you pack up and move to a tropical paradise!

 

[SCHMAE]

Perhaps this is just the way he talks? He used the word "communicate" a lot on DP show too. Me thinks that's just reaching. JMO, of course.

I agree it's reaching. I also think almost all of the theories are reaching with very few known facts. He does use communicate a LOT and that's why it's always sticking out in my mind. I'd like to know prior to Nov 19, if that is a word he used every time he meant to say talk, call, text, email. If so, then no problem.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

The only thing I can think of to address that lack of texting on Monday morning is that MR somehow disabled/smashed/threw out DR's phone the evening before or even that morning. That could also give him loads of guilt of removing his only means of communicating with NO idea he would be missing and now knowing that if DR only had that phone , even working for just the first 30 minutes after he ' left ' home then the pings would give some indication of which direction he was headed. This is a stretch and a straw grasp for sure, but it's about the only way I can see to make MR innocent and DR still with no phone. If that is the case, I would hope MR has told LE this. It's highly unlikely, but it could happen. I could win the lotto tonight too

I can think of many things that could have happened to Dylan's (non-smart) phone. We don't have the ping information available, but no texting could mean, the phone was dead and he didn't charge it before he wanted to leave (also, keep in mind searching for signal depletes a battery more quickly than when in a consistent signal area). Dylan or Mark dropped the phone and broke it. The phone battery itself malfunctioned. Etc. Etc.

 

[Allusonz]

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[Allusonz]

Here is my problem with that: Dogs can't talk. :moo:

There are an awful lot of factors that go into working scent dogs. IMO, if no scent was picked up, it was due to dogs being brought in at the wrong time of day, and a whole slew of other reasons. Also, IIRC, there were no items at MR's home that had only Dylan's scent.

Sure they talk, just not in a language we can understand sometimes

 

[mixologist74]

At least you are trying to justify that 5-10% that holds out for someone besides MR being responsible. I appreciate that! It allows for the possibility of some of the evidence still adding up. I don't agree, but I salute your continued efforts to look at all angles. If you win the lotto, please toss some $$ to the FindDylan fund before you pack up and move to a tropical paradise!

Is soliciting donations allowed on this board??:what:

 

[Emma Ems]

Sorry but in reading this I feel people have completely misunderstood what I was saying in general. I was using the account we have been presented with Mark not only to explain why no report had been filed but also to question why one wasn't filed too.

My point was if indeed Mark did speak with someone at the MO that they really should have filed a report, regardless of how serious Mark thought this was or wasn't at the time. Kids being MIA could be innocent or it could be something extremely serious and you would think that LE would err on the side of caution. I view it kind of like this, if you were to find a dead body in your house would they leave it up to you to if you wanted a report filed or not? I think it should be the same way when someone can't find their child, especially from the long time span in which the child was unaccounted for. I don't think there really is a question of him talking to the BMO at all, I am pretty sure LE spoke with them to see if Mark made contact with them and if he didn't the press release would be something like, "Mark claims to went to the BMO to report Dylan missing but we have been unable to confirm that." That is why I kind of thought maybe he got a brush off from them. It seems to happen a lot especially if it's mentioned that a child has some kind of custody arrangement in place. I can't recall how many cases where LE was reluctant at first to take any action when a parent felt something has happened to their child during some visitation or even when they have been reluctant to issue an amber alert when a parent takes off with their child.

This could be a complete soapbox episode here, but when it comes to missing children there are still many flaws that just make it harder to find the missing children. A few months ago a friend of mine had seen a news report on her local tv about a missing child and she attempted to look for more information so she could share the flier on her FB profile. She posted the news article about the child missing but there was never an amber alert issued. It was very disheartening. To this day I don't know what became of that child, nor does she.

 

[Allusonz]

above is the post of Mark talking during his interview

here's what the Press Release stated:

Mark Redwine, Dylan’s father, had previously contacted the Bayfield Marshal’s Office on the 19th attempting to learn if they had seen Dylan,

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines*

Dan Bender can't speak for the Marshall's Office.

He can only speak for the SO.

Maybe that would make a difference, would one not think?

 

[mixologist74]

Sure they talk, just not in a language we can understand sometimes

I'll give you that. What I meant was, with human handlers, human error and dog error doubles. Humans can't always fully interpret what a dog means, even if it's well trained, since dogs nor humans are perfect.

 

[Allusonz]

Mark - going to Marshal's Office - either talking or not talking to someone

Mark - going to T's house - either talking or not taking to someone

Which is it?

To me this shows how he consistently changes his story.

JMO

Here is how I think it went down.

MR goes to T house, no one there, then to Bayfield, Officer says we will keep an eye open go back home and check there, on way back home MR stops at T again, this time he is home and speaks with him.

I can easily see this not being taken seriously.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Sorry but in reading this I feel people have completely misunderstood what I was saying in general. I was using the account we have been presented with Mark not only to explain why no report had been filed but also to question why one wasn't filed too.

My point was if indeed Mark did speak with someone at the MO that they really should have filed a report, regardless of how serious Mark thought this was or wasn't at the time. Kids being MIA could be innocent or it could be something extremely serious and you would think that LE would err on the side of caution. I view it kind of like this, if you were to find a dead body in your house would they leave it up to you to if you wanted a report filed or not? I think it should be the same way when someone can't find their child, especially from the long time span in which the child was unaccounted for. I don't think there really is a question of him talking to the BMO at all, I am pretty sure LE spoke with them to see if Mark made contact with them and if he didn't the press release would be something like, "Mark claims to went to the BMO to report Dylan missing but we have been unable to confirm that." That is why I kind of thought maybe he got a brush off from them. It seems to happen a lot especially if it's mentioned that a child has some kind of custody arrangement in place. I can't recall how many cases where LE was reluctant at first to take any action when a parent felt something has happened to their child during some visitation or even when they have been reluctant to issue an amber alert when a parent takes off with their child.

This could be a complete soapbox episode here, but when it comes to missing children there are still many flaws that just make it harder to find the missing children. A few months ago a friend of mine had seen a news report on her local tv about a missing child and she attempted to look for more information so she could share the flier on her FB profile. She posted the news article about the child missing but there was never an amber alert issued. It was very disheartening. To this day I don't know what became of that child, nor does she.

BBM

When Mark contacted the Marshall's Office when he couldn't locate Dylan maybe he told them that he was divorced and Dylan was with him for a court ordered visitation.

It wouldn't surprise me that an officer told him to contact Dylan's mother and see if she may have come and picked up Dylan before filing a missing person report. When he did contact Elaine, she told him that she didn't have Dylan and she was calling the Sheriffs Office to report him missing.

This scenario would fit with Mark's story of what happened. MOO.

 

[mixologist74]

Sorry but in reading this I feel people have completely misunderstood what I was saying in general. I was using the account we have been presented with Mark not only to explain why no report had been filed but also to question why one wasn't filed too.

My point was if indeed Mark did speak with someone at the MO that they really should have filed a report, regardless of how serious Mark thought this was or wasn't at the time. Kids being MIA could be innocent or it could be something extremely serious and you would think that LE would err on the side of caution. I view it kind of like this, if you were to find a dead body in your house would they leave it up to you to if you wanted a report filed or not? I think it should be the same way when someone can't find their child, especially from the long time span in which the child was unaccounted for. I don't think there really is a question of him talking to the BMO at all, I am pretty sure LE spoke with them to see if Mark made contact with them and if he didn't the press release would be something like, "Mark claims to went to the BMO to report Dylan missing but we have been unable to confirm that." That is why I kind of thought maybe he got a brush off from them. It seems to happen a lot especially if it's mentioned that a child has some kind of custody arrangement in place. I can't recall how many cases where LE was reluctant at first to take any action when a parent felt something has happened to their child during some visitation or even when they have been reluctant to issue an amber alert when a parent takes off with their child.

This could be a complete soapbox episode here, but when it comes to missing children there are still many flaws that just make it harder to find the missing children. A few months ago a friend of mine had seen a news report on her local tv about a missing child and she attempted to look for more information so she could share the flier on her FB profile. She posted the news article about the child missing but there was never an amber alert issued. It was very disheartening. To this day I don't know what became of that child, nor does she.

BBM. This reminds me of Sam and Lindsay Porter, and how LE wouldn't check into an Amber Alert for them.

 

[SCHMAE]

OT somewhat re: dogs !
I have an old dog thats been on pain meds for a long time and this week we began her on a new cocktail of meds to see if we can relieve her. We are putting off the inevitable but still trying. Last night she was asleep on the loveseat and began panting heavily and then sat up to pant really HARD . I'm guessing these new meds are reacting badly. I was watching her and thinking ... hmm is this normal ? At this time a younger dog runs over to the loveseat , jumps up on it, smelling, watching and kissing the old girl with lots of vigor. She was really checking her out closely. I'm not trained to watch dog behavior..I'm just a pet owner. My dogs arent' trained to alert to anything, they're just family pets. But I can tell you as sure as I live that my younger dog was telling me with every " WORD" that she knows and her behavior that something is wrong with old girl, she doesn't feel good, she needs attention, this is not proper behavior. So if you take just what you can view as a laymen from your pet , who's a laypet? then you realize when your dog is hungry, sleepy, playful, bored, lazy, then it would not be hard to imagine how a specially trained team of a handler/scent dog would have very good communication between them. To say they can not talk is true in a literal sense, but I think dogs talk all day if you're 'listening' with something other than your ears. mooo

 

[rebeccaeee]

Is soliciting donations allowed on this board??:what:

No. It is fairly obvious I was speaking in jest.

 

[SuperMom1995]

That seems odd to me. Maybe it's just the wording...but I don't really get asking the Marshal's Office if they saw your son? Why would they have seen him? The Marshal's Office is 21 miles from Mark's house. This isn't like a really compact small town. Maybe he thought that one of the marshals saw Dylan while he or she was driving around? IDK.

Covering his bases, yet not really reporting him missing. Interesting, IMO