CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #46

[NC Analyzer]

I have to disagree here just for one point. Mix mentioned the Sam and Lindsey case and I was just reading up on that one. TP went to LE very panicked about what she feared happened to her children while in their father's custody and they didn't seem to be too concerned in the beginning.

So sometimes urgency doesn't seem to push them into filing a report either in some cases. I could see them telling him to check with his mother first to make sure she didn't have him, even though she lived so far, even though Mark may not have considered that a possibility at the time. Perhaps they were thinking, "Maybe he called mom to come get him and she did."

I am not addressing "other" cases. This is about Dylan's case. If there are "other" cases when LE didn't effectively do the job they are paid to do, then a civil suit should be filed. I'm sure there are two sides to that story as well. If the facts support the story the parents are telling, they should take the issue up in a court of law.

BBM:
Chances are (if the conversation even went that far) they MAY have suggested contacting Elaine to see if she heard from Dylan....matter of fact, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if that's exactly WHY MR did contact Elaine, but as far as them "thinking"....LE doesn't sit on their haunches and try to second guess a parent who makes it clear that his child has been missing for 10 hours. They don't "play scenarios" in their head about whether or not to file a report. They just don't. They have a job to do and they do it.

 

[SuperMom1995]

I don't think we know and my understanding is that LE won't discuss if dogs were used inside the house or what type of search dog was used - scent v. HRD.

Just my understanding of where we are with the dogs.

Salem

I find that very interesting, because the dogs are used for different kinds of scent finding and it was verified in several newspaper articles that there was not enough of a pure scent on what MR gave LE from home, thus ER had to bring clothing and things of Dylans so they would have a pure scent so I am wondering if they got a different type of scent from MRs house or if they have established he was there by other means?

 

[NC Analyzer]

Nobody knows what he "isn't doing" for sure, because he doesn't plaster his face in the media like his ex-wife does. It has been said by his family members that he is introverted.

Do you have a link for those family member's stating he is an introvert? Because without that, it is just a rumor.

His own son has said he is not an introvert. So has his first wife. They have said he is kind of an "in your face" guy if he thinks he is right. There are links and a verified insider to support those statements.

 

[song22]

Nobody knows what he "isn't doing" for sure, because he doesn't plaster his face in the media like his ex-wife does. It has been said by his family members that he is introverted.

Thank God she is out there being an advocate for heR missing child. that is the number one thing that Missing Children Organizations say the parents should do.

 

[mixologist74]

Do you have a link for this? That MR has offered to help with fundraising?

IMO No one is an angel. Just human beings. Some women have the misfortune of being in a relationship with a controlling, angry man. You do the best you can to put boundaries in place, move on, heal and rebuild your life. That's what Elaine was doing. She's not perfect. She's second-guesed herself plenty. Luckily these days most therapists who deal with these types of relationships understand that the blame is not always equally shared. Sometmes the other person has issues with domestic violence or mental illness or bizarre fetishes or personality disorders, for example.

Perhaps MR wasn't the controlling one. Perhaps ER was. We don't really know.

 

[song22]

I don't have a MSM link, however, a family member stated that Mark attempted to donate a 4 wheeler or something to help with a fundraiser, but was totally rebuffed by Elaine. She won't have anything to do with him, so how does one expect them to work together on anything? You saw in for yourself on DP, how bitter ER is toward Mark.

He could start his own fundraiser or his own fundraising account. he could sell his ATV and anything else he can think of. Don't blame your ex-wife, just do it.JMO.

 

[SuperMom1995]

MR talks about going to Marshall's Office during MB Interview:

MR:
"As I was going down to Bayfield to check with Ryan, who I found at his friend Fernando’s house, and as soon as I went to Fernan…’cos I don’t know where all of them live –- but I knew a couple of ‘em live -- enough to get pointed in the right direction. First place I went, Boom… there’s Ryan and Fernando, and first words out of their mouth, “We haven’t heard from Dylan all day.”

That’s when it hit me that something wasn’t right, and I immediately went to the Marshall’s office in Bayfield.

Melissa Blasius:
Do you remember what you told them?

Mark Redwine:
Well, I told them that I hadn’t heard from Dylan all day and I didn’t think much of it and when I got down to the Marshall’s Office or to his friend Ryan’s house or Fernando…anyway... when I ran across his friends and they hadn’t heard from him – then that’s when I went over to the Marshall’s Office and told them that, you know, we need to find him, make contact with him. They were going to put out like a wellness check or they just notify the local authorities to keep an eye out for him and make contact with him so somebody can “bang him in the head” and say, “Hey, your dad’s trying to get a hold of you. Your friends are trying to get a hold of you. You need to communicate to somebody.

But at that moment in time…, I felt the need to address this issue with mom, so I immediately asked her had she heard from him and indicated to her that I hadn’t heard from him all day and that I was at the Marshall’s office taking care of this, and that’s when pretty much all hell broke loose with her.

Well I am pretty sure that LE would know by now if he actually went down there or if they had any record of contact from him at all. IMO

 

[asyousay]

Nobody knows what he "isn't doing" for sure, because he doesn't plaster his face in the media like his ex-wife does. It has been said by his family members that he is introverted.

Well from the little info we have he is not doing anything :cow:

We have yet to see him do a fund raiser for Dylan

Elaine was on radio a the weekend and they are trying to get Mark on and yet the admin woman said last night he is not replying to her .

He was late to a candle light vigil that was held for Dylan months ago and he had some lame excuse if I remember rightly !

The only way to get Dylan's name out there is to talk to the media and if Elaine did what Mark was doing then Dylan would not have the exposure he does have.

This is no picnic in the park for Elaine I am sure but she is putting Dylan first and is doing what needs to be done to get people to know Dylan is missing and is still not home .

All :moo: :cow:

 

[Kimster]

You guys are going to have to provide links if you want to state a fact. There are two main points of view in this case and to keep everyone on an even playing field, we're going to insist everyone takes the time to link up. :tyou:

 

[mixologist74]

Kimster, maybe I should just post a disclaimer in my siggy???

 

[song22]

Perhaps MR wasn't the controlling one. Perhaps ER was. We don't really know.

Mr is the one witn a documented history of domestic abuse.

OK again, here we are. Some of us feel like MR is responsible. Other people disagree. So what within TOS is the alternative theory? How is ER's character relevant to anynother theory within TOS? Does ER's character have anything to do wth an accident? Or witn a stranger abduction? Im really just trying to understand the thought process here. Its not clear to me.

here's another question. those of us who suspect MR have ben asked, "what if youre wrong? Dont you see how youre hurting dylan if youre talking bad about his dad? What if he loves his dad? Etc etc." We've been asked to answer for that and have given various answers about why we think this is an acceptable risk. So what if we turn the question around? For those who not only feel like MR is NOT responsible and is innocent and who ALSO feel like its fair game to say unkind things about ER, what if you are wrong? What if Dylan came back and said his mom was right all along and she was out there fighting for him and you talked bad about her?

 

[Kimster]

Kimster, maybe I should just post a disclaimer in my siggy???

No, if you post a fact, you can link up. If it's your opinion, then make sure a fact leads you to that opinion. That's the way it's always been, we just don't usually use a hard nose approach. Since this is a volatile case, we need to follow the rules that have been in place since I've been here just for this reason.

 

[SuperMom1995]

Meh, he probably talked to "somebody"...how else would he "attempt" to learn if they had seen Dylan. But that's a far cry from filing a missing child report.

and it still bugs me that he told the mail woman that Dylan did not come home all night, as if he is was an older teenager or adult, instead of he is missing or whatever.

 

[SuperMom1995]

For me, the difference is in the word "confirmed". In the past, I took Bender's statements (with regards to whether DR made it to the house that night)to be more like his "best guess" or his working theory. A lot of us suspected that DR might not have made it to MR's that night. It was one theory. But with this new information, which many of us are very carefully going over, we have revised our own theories. That's how it works! I know for my part, I am thinking very critically and carefully as I consider this case, and I believe others are, too.

As for Elaine's input, yes. I do put a lot of weight into what she says, because I believe her to be very credible. I also believe the mother of a missing child who has no credibility issues to be a good source of information. JMO

They must have a scent or dna from MRs house.

 

[SuperMom1995]

My two cents: FWIW MR is involved and LE knows it. But maybe some others know something or were involved...MOO

or saw something that would further corroberate MR being responsible.

 

[mixologist74]

and it still bugs me that he told the mail woman that Dylan did not come home all night, as if he is was an older teenager or adult, instead of he is missing or whatever.

Please link. I don't remember hearing/reading this.

 

[SuperMom1995]

lol! And the marshall heard ' hey dude, do you know a good burger place in town. I had a salad for lunch but i'm still hungry. Did you watch dancing with the stars last night? Look a bird ' !

ha ha ha hilarious so true!

 

[azgrandma]

With Dylan, apparently. Mark has offered to help Elaine with many fundraising events, but has been denied at every turn. There's 3 sides to every story, remember this. Elaine isn't an angel when it comes to Mark.

Actually that is incorrect. He mentioned someone wanting to put together a raffle and the information was given to DH NOT ER. Please give a link where MR offered to help ELAINE with many fundraising events but has been denied at every turn. TIA

Also, just to add, ER has had many fundraising events, there have also been vigils, however MR has chosen to not to attend any event other than the first vigil. Nobody was sent personal invitations to these events, they were announced on fb and fliers and in the news.

I really don't put a lot of weight because IMO there will be excuses given such as, why should he attend an event when ER has so much anger towards him, why should he this because of that. The implication that ONE offer by MR given to another person in regards to yet another person offering to hold a raffle and NOT ER somehow makes her responsible for his inability to help in a fundraising event.

When will MR be held accountable for his actions and his inactions? When will ER stop being held accountable for his actions, his inactions and the actions of others? I just don't get it, I really don't get it.

Lastly, if MR wants to hold a fundraising event, their is no anchor tied to his arse, he can hold it, it is not everybody else's responsibility to hold one for him.

 

[SuperMom1995]

Many thanks to LE for releasing that presser. And I think you guys are analyzing it the same ways that I've been reading the information.

I'd like to know how much investigators know about that time frame from when MR went to run errands and when he got back. I don't get a chance to read every post so please fill me in if MR has mentioned what errands he ran that day? The post office was one, right? Or no?

LAWYERS OFFICE which is still hinky to me, his office to handle payroll issues, and not sure about anything else.

 

[SuperMom1995]

All I know is the lawyer's office and his employer. I believe he stated he made a phone call to his property management company too. He said he tried to get a hold of Dylan to see what else they needed at Walmart but I don't know that he actually went there since he couldn't get a hold of him.

like a "fishing pole"? :great: