CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #46

[Tulessa]

OMG I just watched the Dr. Phil show on this child and came to search for a thread. This case is horrible!

 

[SmoothOperator]

Tulessa take a trip downstairs to the PL thread, where Tricia's last weeks blog radio show is discussed regarding this case.. then it becomes beyond sad and disturbing..

 

[sorrell skye]

Numerous court records/reports (by both ex-wives) and verified statements by AZgrandma has been seen by LE and reporters (and some here) that show Mark's past violent/controlling behaviors.

I believe them.

JMO

I agree - as well as the conflict MR got into with a neighbor over a broken toy truck.

 

[deoneta]

About the confirmed arrival at MR's house: early on, someone who knew a lot more about cell phone towers and pings than me wrote that because of the scarcity of cell phone towers in this area, it was doubtful than a ping could be pinpointed. The ping could be narrowed to a general vicinity, but no closer. That makes me believe that a ping wasn't involved in the confirmation. Perhaps a neighbor or passerby witnessed the arrival. Maybe Dylan's text/IM/e-mail was accessed by ipod and the wifi provider's records would reflect that. I also wonder about the "clothes left behind on the sofa" in one of the earliest news reports. There's been no further mention. Wouldn't these clothes have been able to be used for scent or taken when the search warrant was served? All MOO

 

[Tulessa]

Tulessa take a trip downstairs to the PL thread, where Tricia's last weeks blog radio show is discussed regarding this case.. then it becomes beyond sad and disturbing..

Listening now. Thanks.

 

[Seajay]

Never thought this case would still be going on all these months later. I expected Dylan to be home as soon as his visitation time with his father was over, well before Christmas.

Now we are waiting for Spring Thaw, I guess. Still, if something is found, and an autopsy is done, it still won't give us answers. In other cases, I've waiting for autopsy results, figuring that would give answers and with and results being "inconclusive" in several of them, we didn't get the answers we needed to move forward with the case. I honestly think that's going to be the case with Dylan. Inconclusive. No answers. IMO, JMO, MOO.

 

[cattlekate]

I guess that's my point. If we knew nothing about MR (and had never heard him speak) and knew nothing of the family dynamics and Dylan was found quickly at the lake and with MR's account of the fishing pole being gone, then many of us and possibly LE might just assume it was a horrible drowning accident. Perhaps that was the plan?

JMHO

In the world of a deteriorated mind, that scenario to fool everyone would make perfect sense. Perfect sense in a psychosis and perfect sense with a deteriorated brain. Like fake ransom notes and such......... It bothers me that people have trouble accepting that brains are organs which deteriorate over time. And faster with substance use - whether with a prescribed medical cocktail or with self-medicating.

 

[Tulessa]

Remember that Dylan followed on the heels of the Jessica Ridgway case also. I would think the whole state of Colorado would be concerned about any child that was late for dinner at this point.

Even when the case is solved, it doesn't wipe out that fear or the realization that it could happen in your own community, kwim?

Salem

I spent an hour reading all of the Mods warnings before I attempted to post, but this case is breaking my heart.

 

[Tulessa]

O/T but sitting here bawling, listening to Katiecoollady talking about the elephants...

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

In the world of a deteriorated mind, that scenario to fool everyone would make perfect sense. Perfect sense in a psychosis and perfect sense with a deteriorated brain. Like fake ransom notes and such......... It bothers me that people have trouble accepting that brains are organs which deteriorate over time. And faster with substance use - whether with a prescribed medical cocktail or with self-medicating.

I absolutely agree with you! Of course we don't know if anything like this is happening with MR but I'd suggest that it's possible.

Again, I have to talk about my ex who has alcohol and substance abuse issues. In time, the lies got so absurd. It was almost like a lie you would expect from a 3 year old and nobody in their right mind would believe them. I attribute that the brain dysfunction. It was an obvious decline for those that knew him. And this calm mannered man became very irritable and easy to anger. A complete change from who he was sober. It really does take it's toll on the brain.

I have to say that I see so many similarities in MR. Of course I don't know him personally so I can't judge him specifically, but I definitely see some similarities. I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I never saw my ex yell at anyone. He was the calm one between us. Never ever did he raise his hand to me. He was a regular social drinker who usually kept it in check and didn't go overboard. Then he started doing drugs and the drinking increased and he became a totally different person. Quick to anger and so irritable! That was my clue that something was going on. After 3 years of lies and trying to get him help I threw in the towel and got a divorce (after a 22 year relationship). Then shortly thereafter he was arrested for domestic violence against his girlfriend and lost his job. I was shocked! Like I said, I never saw a drop of violence towards me, the dogs, the kids or anyone. I'm only sharing this to tell those who haven't been there that it does indeed change people. He's a mess now and the addictions are worse than ever...to the point where he will probably be homeless soon.

Again, I don't know if this is the case with MR or anything similar, but I do know first hand that it does destroy the brain over time.

I will tell you that one of the stupidest most ridiculous lies my husband ever said to me when I asked him why this other woman had texts from him telling her he loved her, his response was that she threatened to call the cops on him if he didn't text her and say that. Say what??? LOL I had to laugh so hard, but honestly in his warped mind he thought that would fly with me.

 

[Tulessa]

MR blocking his ex wife and his son's phone calls are very suspect. IF she (his ex) finds Dylan, she can't contact MR. Very telling IMO.

 

[jjenny]

About the confirmed arrival at MR's house: early on, someone who knew a lot more about cell phone towers and pings than me wrote that because of the scarcity of cell phone towers in this area, it was doubtful than a ping could be pinpointed. The ping could be narrowed to a general vicinity, but no closer. That makes me believe that a ping wasn't involved in the confirmation. Perhaps a neighbor or passerby witnessed the arrival. Maybe Dylan's text/IM/e-mail was accessed by ipod and the wifi provider's records would reflect that. I also wonder about the "clothes left behind on the sofa" in one of the earliest news reports. There's been no further mention. Wouldn't these clothes have been able to be used for scent or taken when the search warrant was served? All MOO

If anybody witness the arrival I fail to see why police wouldn't have said so. I mean, it was reported when mail person supposedly saw Dylan (which she was wrong about). So why not report that someone saw the arrival?
Clothes were left behind in one story. In subsequent interview, there was nothing left behind. I personally don't know what to make of that at all.

 

[Tulessa]

Going to bed to pray for his safe return.....

 

[scorekeeper]

I think during the search LE took a pair of sweat pants (unsure of Dylan's or Mark's)

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I think during the search LE took a pair of sweat pants (unsure of Dylan's or Mark's)

Good question. I would guess the sweat pants were MR's. Why those sweat pants? Is that what he was wearing in the Walmart or Airport video or what he was wearing when he went to the Marshalls office the next day or ??

 

[TxLady2]

Many of us who have followed this case from the beginning have speculated that at least 2 of MRs motives were revenge on ER and to escape child support. Taking DR away permanently could satisfy the revenge aspect and DR having "an accidental drowning" would also stop child support as soon as they found his body. The fishing pole would have corroborated this "accident" theory. Plus the "accidental drowning" - if his body is recovered - would also keep MR from having to look over his shoulder the rest of his life wondering if he was going to be arrested.

I have followed this case from the beginning, too, in case you haven't noticed. I was not asking about motives. That is all speculation, IMO. None of us know how he felt about ER or if he wanted revenge. As for getting out of paying child support, all he had to do was sign papers giving up his rights. A whole lot less complicated. And if he had brought up that subject, I would bet that Elaine would have run, not walked to her attorney's office to have the papers drawn up.
The man is not a mastermind, but he's not entirely stupid, either. So I was just trying to justify him mentioning searching the lake if he was the one who put him there. Fathers or mothers who kill their kids try to conceal the bodies, they don't lead LE to them. Unless he has a really strong desire to see the inside of a prison cell, that would not be a smooth move.

 

[Redhead72]

If anybody witness the arrival I fail to see why police wouldn't have said so. I mean, it was reported when mail person supposedly saw Dylan (which she was wrong about). So why not report that someone saw the arrival?
Clothes were left behind in one story. In subsequent interview, there was nothing left behind. I personally don't know what to make of that at all.

BBM

Just a possible answer to the question - perhaps the person who confirmed this also witnessed something else. Or, perhaps the person who did witness it feels intimidated by MR. It could just be that the LE doesn't want the information out there in order to 1) protect the witness, if he/she exists, and/or 2) to prevent MR - or anyone else - from coming up with some explanation should they be confronted with the information in an interview w/LE.

As always, all of the above is MOO! :cow:

 

[raine1212]

Good question. I would guess the sweat pants were MR's. Why those sweat pants? Is that what he was wearing in the Walmart or Airport video or what he was wearing when he went to the Marshalls office the next day or ??

Jumping off your post.. MR did say on the Dr. Phil show that LE took sweat pants... jMO since it has been said Dylan's belonging where not there and ER had to get some things from CS for the LE with Dylan's scent.. That leads me to believe they where MR's pants..JMO

 

[TxLady2]

yes if Dylan not having a coat was really a big issue MR could have bought one while they were at Walmart, strange considering he made it an issue on Dr Phil.

He really didn't make it an issue, IIRC. Elaine brought it up that Dylan wouldn't be hiking without a coat in Nov. and Mark said, "and you didn't send one with him." That was a typical reaction between two people who despise each other, IMO. Seems to me that people are making more of a big deal about it than either one of the parents did. He had a hoodie, and the weather was mild. Why did he need to buy him a coat? And if he had bought him one, would that have made him look any less guilty?
Just saying.