CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #48

[Psychic Sleuth]

The first time she said he went missing from the lake I assumed it was local talk for the Vallecito area but she said it again and it seems like she is talking specifically about THE LAKE.

The lake just seems to be kinda holding us up, because that's where he went missing from.

 

[Tennlyn]

I don't really understand what Denise meant. She said people in Vallecito are considering not vacationing at the lake. So the people who already live there...aren't going to the lake this summer? I don't think locals are the people who pump the most money into the tourism industry though.

I suspect she was referring to the people who have summer homes there, relatives of locals who may vacation there, and others who vacation there every summer. MOO

 

[The Cheese]

Monday was November 19th.

Dead children do not interact or carry out activities. I do not have a link, so that's my opinion.

It's my opinion that LE believes that Dylan was alive on Monday morning, based on the above and LE's most recent press release below.

Mark's and Dylan's interactions and activities within the community on November 18th and 19th, as well as tips related to persons, locations and sightings remain under investigation.

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1149

 

[The Cheese]

The first time she said he went missing from the lake I assumed it was local talk for the Vallecito area but she said it again and it seems like she is talking specifically about THE LAKE.

I'm in the same place. I just don't know why she's saying that.

 

[catswhiskers]

You're right! I was going back through the news articles, and it was the weekend of Feb 23/24 they cut the holes in the ice on the lake.

Why is he talking about January and not February? I'm pretty sure the previous visit by Wendy and her dogs was in December, not January, but I have to look it up to confirm it.

There are news articles for the Feb ice cutting timeframe though that say they didn't find anything (e.g. CBS Denver, 9News). Weird.

ETA It was December. Here's one of Wendy's facebook posts about it
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=441953229193967&id=249798878409404

I wondered about this too when I heard it mentioned in the most recent clip with Kevin Torres. Though wasn't there another earlier time that LE returned with dogs? I seem to remember that it was right on the edge of the 6 week time frame that would allow the dogs to still be able to track a scent - air or tracking dogs IIRC? That would probably fit with the January search which didn't turn up anything new.

 

[ColdHands]

Monday was November 19th.

Dead children do not interact or carry out activities. I do not have a link, so that's my opinion.

It's my opinion that LE believes that Dylan was alive on Monday morning, based on the above and LE's most recent press release below.

Mark's and Dylan's interactions and activities within the community on November 18th and 19th, as well as tips related to persons, locations and sightings remain under investigation.

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1149

I think also the fact that they haven't ruled out that he left on his own on Monday means they cannot say with any certainty that he was not alive when MR left the house.

It could be stated either way - no evidence that Dylan was alive on Monday morning or no evidence that Dylan was not alive on Monday morning. End of the day, I think LE just doesn't have enough evidence of any one thing.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

I think also the fact that they haven't ruled out that he left on his own on Monday means they cannot say with any certainty that he was not alive when MR left the house.

It could be stated either way - no evidence that Dylan was alive on Monday morning or no evidence that Dylan was not alive on Monday morning. End of the day, I think LE just doesn't have enough evidence of any one thing.

It could even go one step farther (IMO) to suppose that LE does not have proof of where Dylan was on Monday, alive or not. The official statement says he made it to the house on Sunday. Then it says something to the affect that somehow he left the house. I think that call for information might very well have been looking for anyone who saw Dylan anywhere on Monday. That must be a real puzzle to LE. If they can say without hesitation that Dylan was at the house they either have an eye witness or a camera shot of him going in. But nothing coming out? That is very strange.

 

[mijamawi]

If Dylan used the landline on Monday, I think we would know about it. Clearly he did not contact R, since R was texting him throughout the day. Nor did ER hear from him, apparently. If anyone had, Dylan surely would have said his cell was not working, IMO. Also, if LE knew for sure Dylan was alive and well at any time on Monday, I doubt they would still be including Sunday night in their communications to the public.

If they thought, for instance, that a predator might have followed them on Sunday night, surely LE would be showing photos of MR's truck to the public, again and again. Yet have they shown it, even once,asking for any info about it?
Also, I find it so unlikely that Dylan would simply stop texting at 9:30 on a non-school night, when according to MR he was up for at least another hour, if not longer. Movie or no movie. They text all the time and he had just arrived in town, where he seems to have had many friends.

To me, at least, it is clear that LE has no proof that Dylan awoke on Monday.

Just jumping from the bolded above, I also think if MR harmed Dylan away from the home, they would want to get pictures of the truck out there to see if anyone saw the truck pulled over on the side of the road or at a certain campground or something like that; especially based on where they have done their searches. The fact they haven't shown the truck can go either way, IMO.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I believe the reason why they haven't shown pictures of MR's truck is that would imply that they are specifically looking at MR as a possible suspect and I don't think they want to do that.

 

[katydid23]

Me too, but I'm waiting to hear from LE whether Dylan used the landline Monday morning or Sunday night.

Who would he call on the landline if not ER, Corey, MR, or his friends in Baytown? None of them heard from him, so I doubt he used the landline. JMO

Besides, LE already said his last cell activity was Sunday @9:37 pm. Why would they say that and then leave out calls on Monday from the landline?

 

[mijamawi]

I believe the reason why they haven't shown pictures of MR's truck is that would imply that they are specifically looking at MR as a possible suspect and I don't think they want to do that.

I can understand that. But what if there was some evidence found in the truck? Wouldn't the chance of a witness coming forward outweigh letting MR know they're onto him? I guess I keep thinking back to Mickey and the DWT.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

Just jumping from the bolded above, I also think if MR harmed Dylan away from the home, they would want to get pictures of the truck out there to see if anyone saw the truck pulled over on the side of the road or at a certain campground or something like that; especially based on where they have done their searches. The fact they haven't shown the truck can go either way, IMO.

That is an interesting thought. Usually they do show the vehicle, don't they? They took both of MRs trucks for a while. Could it be that they checked them out with cadaver dogs and don't believe his trucks transported the body? (In a scenario where Dylan has been harmed.) Or could it be that enough people along the road would have known MRs vehicle.

That could be taken two ways. Stranger/acquaintance abduction. Or involvement of someone else who wants to protect MR. Actually, there could be a third reason. LE just did not think it would be beneficial.

 

[The Cheese]

I wondered about this too when I heard it mentioned in the most recent clip with Kevin Torres. Though wasn't there another earlier time that LE returned with dogs? I seem to remember that it was right on the edge of the 6 week time frame that would allow the dogs to still be able to track a scent - air or tracking dogs IIRC? That would probably fit with the January search which didn't turn up anything new.

But he's referring to Denise Hess when he talks about the dogs in January.

 

[The Cheese]

Who would he call on the landline if not ER, Corey, MR, or his friends in Baytown? None of them heard from him, so I doubt he used the landline. JMO

Besides, LE already said his last cell activity was Sunday @9:37 pm. Why would they say that and then leave out calls on Monday from the landline?

I don't know why they haven't talked about Dylan and the landline. If he didn't make any calls from it, why not just say so?

I don't know Dylan or anyone connected to this case, so I don't know who all he would call.

 

[mijamawi]

I don't know why they haven't talked about Dylan and the landline. If he didn't make any calls from it, why not just say so?

I don't know Dylan or anyone connected to this case, so I don't know who all he would call.

Right. Didn't he say something on NG about not having that information or some such?

GRACE: OK. So his whereabouts are accounted for. Question. Sergeant, was there any activity on the home telephone or the computer while Dad was gone?

BENDER: Those are things that the investigators have looked into, and I don`t have that information.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ng.01.html

 

[Dee10]

Monday was November 19th.

Dead children do not interact or carry out activities. I do not have a link, so that's my opinion.

It's my opinion that LE believes that Dylan was alive on Monday morning, based on the above and LE's most recent press release below.

Mark's and Dylan's interactions and activities within the community on November 18th and 19th, as well as tips related to persons, locations and sightings remain under investigation.

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1149

Based on LE's statement, I am leaning towards they want the public to think 24 hours not just Sunday evening & Monday morning, which could encompass hearing something odd like MR's truck in the middle of the night? The use of the words "within the community" is odd to me, like they want MR to know, they have evidence he didn't go very far. Does "in the community" include Durango & Bayfield? Maybe they just mean Vallecito? Regardless, it sure would make people in Vallecito scratch their heads thinking back as well as making someone very nervous.

I believe LE have a theory about what happened, but I think they are working to narrow things down to specifics. I think it is interesting they stated Mark is still being investigated even on the 19th. So although they verified the morning, they still want to know the time in between so it appears from the release. Personally I do not take it necessarily that they believe Dylan was necessarily alive on the 19th. I think it is possible they are just crossing their t's & will be able to say they put out a NR asking...& nobody has come forward that they have seen or heard from Dylan and of course if someone does it can be ruled in or out. Just looking at it a different way & from a different angle.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I can understand that. But what if there was some evidence found in the truck? Wouldn't the chance of a witness coming forward outweigh letting MR know they're onto him? I guess I keep thinking back to Mickey and the DWT.

I think the difference between this case and Mickey's is IF they are looking at MR they don't want him to know it and they want him to keep talking. I would think the last thing they want him to do at this point is clam up or lawyer up.

In Mickey's case they didn't know who the DWT belonged to so IMO the smartest thing they did was release those pictures to the public.

 

[all9ofus]

thanks, but unless you live in Vallecito/Bayfield it doesn't help at all. Do we have any Bayfield or Vallecito locals on the board?

I am just catching up after a couple weeks away but I currently live in Bayfield.

 

[mijamawi]

I think the difference between this case and Mickey's is IF they are looking at MR they don't want him to know it and they want him to keep talking. I would think the last thing they want him to do at this point is clam up or lawyer up.

In Mickey's case they didn't know who the DWT belonged to so IMO the smartest thing they did was release those pictures to the public.

True. MR would have to be a complete moron though if he thinks LE isn't looking at him. IMO

 

[Tennlyn]

I am just catching up after a couple weeks away but I currently live in Bayfield.

Glad to see you again!