CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #48

[Tennlyn]

Yes I saw that Ransom. I have watched all the videos, this particular one several times, including watching this part again tonight. In my opinion, he did not directly answer the question. He went straight into trying to wake him up and then on to the bus route, amoung other things. What exactly does the bus route have to do with the question? IMO, nothing. Like I said I have never seen anyone who answered questions in that manner. I also have a theory as to why he brought up the bus route.. does anyone else?

I've never thought about the bus route comment...not at all. What's your theory?!

 

[Redhead72]

So, going with this why is it he did not report his son missing?..if he was in contact with someone at the Marshal office then why in the world was he not reporting his son missing.. no doubt whatsoever that the person with whom he would be in contact with would have absolutely assisted in getting a father immediate assistance if he'd come in contact with a father who told him that his son was missing.

jmo.

If MR did contact someone at the Marshals Office, then why does the LE press release state that MR "attempted" to contact someone at the MO? If he truly did have an interaction with an LEO at the MO, then why wouldn't they say he did contact them.

The word attempted would actually make a lot of sense if MR either called or went to the office when it was already closed.

As always, all of the above is MOO! :cow:
FTR: I don't know if or when MR went to the MO, or when he "attempted" to contact them. I only know that when he contacted ER at 5:30 he indicated to her that he was at the MO, at that time.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Yes I saw that Ransom. I have watched all the videos, this particular one several times, including watching this part again tonight. In my opinion, he did not directly answer the question. He went straight into trying to wake him up and then on to the bus route, amoung other things. What exactly does the bus route have to do with the question? IMO, nothing. Like I said I have never seen anyone who answered questions in that manner. I also have a theory as to why he brought up the bus route.. does anyone else?

BBM: Oddly enough, I just have. It's been fascinating.

 

[Confusion]

I'm not quite sure what you're saying. Words have meaning. That's how we communicate. We use words to let others know what we mean.

I guess that some people "infer" the meaning of words and phrases differently than others. Is that what your saying?

I think I know the answer to this one! Someone telling the truth may say "I went shopping" one time, "I went to Walmart" another, and maybe "I went and bought a few groceries" another, but all of them mean the same thing (in this case.) Whereas, someone who is lying might say, "I went shopping and stopped for gas on the way home." one time, "I went shopping and went right home" another, and maybe "I went to feed the ducks at the river on the way home from the gas station because I bought too much bread at the grocery store." Or maybe not? :facepalm:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I thought that the bus comment came about because the reporter didn't ask another question and Mark just kept rambling on with whatever came to his mind. MOO.

 

[Angelonline]

. "although he had a school bus stop right down the street, so he could ride the bus from the school up here if I was home, or he could ride it to his mom’s house, which was a thing of beauty. Because her and I didn’t have to deal with transporting him."

My theory is this was said to point out what a good dad he was, and maybe also a dig at mom for moving Dylan away. He has made several comments about how close he and Dylan are, and mom says he only sees Dylan a few times a year, but this implies it was more often.. JMOO

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Yes I saw that Ransom. I have watched all the videos, this particular one several times, including watching this part again tonight. In my opinion, he did not directly answer the question. He went straight into trying to wake him up and then on to the bus route, amoung other things. What exactly does the bus route have to do with the question? IMO, nothing. Like I said I have never seen anyone who answered questions in that manner. I also have a theory as to why he brought up the bus route.. does anyone else?

The bus route had zero to do with the question, the only time I've seen someone answer questions in such a rambling mess was a person who was on drugs, they had been caught out and were trying to get themselves out of lies. (not saying that is the case here, but it is a possibility IMO)

I think it was possibly to make it look as if Dylan spent more time up there than he did.

 

[Angelonline]

I thought that the bus comment came about because the reporter didn't ask another question and Mark just kept rambling on with whatever came to his mind. MOO.

You might be absolutely correct Ranch, I have just never heard anyone answer questions in that manner.

 

[Redhead72]

Yes I saw that Ransom. I have watched all the videos, this particular one several times, including watching this part again tonight. In my opinion, he did not directly answer the question. He went straight into trying to wake him up and then on to the bus route, amoung other things. What exactly does the bus route have to do with the question? IMO, nothing. Like I said I have never seen anyone who answered questions in that manner. I also have a theory as to why he brought up the bus route.. does anyone else?

Total speculation would be that he was thinking about how much easier things were when DR was living there, as MR was still adjusting to how different it would be that he had to make an extra effort to drive DR to his friend's house, make all these plans to get DR to and from ER's, etc...

That's totally speculation though - just trying to figure out something that would make sense as to why he would be thinking about it. Like, he never had to wake up and drive DR somewhere when ER was living in town, or something?

Is that along the lines you were thinking of, or something else completely?

As always, this is all MOO! And it's all pure speculation!
:cow:

ETA: Ah! I see you posted your theory above. That's a different way of seeing the answer... Like as a "poor me and Dylan" type way?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think I know the answer to this one! Someone telling the truth may say "I went shopping" one time, "I went to Walmart" another, and maybe "I went and bought a few groceries" another, but all of them mean the same thing (in this case.) Whereas, someone who is lying might say, "I went shopping and stopped for gas on the way home." one time, "I went shopping and went right home" another, and maybe "I went to feed the ducks at the river on the way home from the gas station because I bought too much bread at the grocery store." Or maybe not? :facepalm:

Oh. Ok. I understand factual inconsistencies vs extra details given in a statement. Thanks.

 

[Angelonline]

Total speculation would be that he was thinking about how much easier things were when DR was living there, as MR was still adjusting to how different it would be that he had to make an extra effort to drive DR to his friend's house, make all these plans to get DR to and from ER's, etc...

That's totally speculation though - just trying to figure out something that would make sense as to why he would be thinking about it. Like, he never had to wake up and drive DR somewhere when ER was living in town, or something?

Is that along the lines you were thinking of, or something else completely?

As always, this is all MOO! And it's all pure speculation!
:cow:

ETA: Ah! I see you posted your theory above. That's a different way of seeing the answer... Like as a "poor me and Dylan" type way?

That's a good theory too.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

You might be absolutely correct Ranch, I have just never heard anyone answer questions in that manner.

I'm not sure if I would do any better in an interview like that. MOO.

 

[ColdHands]

From the transcript posted on the media thread: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8813297&postcount=79"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Dylan Redwine *Media , Maps & Timelines*[/ame]

Melissa Blasius:
So… so… you guys watched the movie, and then… and then what happened, did he just?

Mark Redwine:
Well, we were watching the movie together. I remember the movie being finished. I at some point was pacing the floor and got up and was taking care of a few little things you know over here at the kitchen table while we were doing that but, you know, it was – Shortly after the ending of that movie, which my guess, and I don’t recall because I don’t keep track of the clock… you know…it must have been… I thought it was earlier in the beginning…’cos I was fairly tired anyway, and I know Dylan was tired because he indicated to me that because he had been up ‘till 4:00 the night before and that he had spent most of the day in the airport traveling to get here that he was tired, and, you know, it seems to me it had to been about 10:30’ish maybe by the time the movie got done… somewhere in there and, you know, shortly after that I ran up and went to bed and he finished up doin’ whatever he was doin’ watching Nickelodeon or whatever he was watching.

And, you know, I get up to go run my errands ‘cos I had a payroll issue that needed to be dealt with first thing Monday morning because that’s when payroll goes in, and so it was important for me to get down there as early as possible. Well, I wanted to leave at 6:30 so I would be there at 7:30 when they open the doors.

You know, I spent 45 minutes… an hour… trying to get Dylan to wake up and, you know, and helping him… saying, you know, “Dylan, I’m going down,” ‘cos he had talked to me about going to see his friend, Ryan …that morning, but he wasn’t having no part of it… which is not uncommon for him. I mean, you can’t get him to bed and you can’t get him up. Pretty much how it is when he’s not at school to deal with, which is most of the time when he’s up here, although he had a school bus stop right down the street, so he could ride the bus from the school up here if I was home, or he could ride it to his mom’s house, which was a thing of beauty.
because her and I didn’t have to deal with transporting him.

Melissa Blasius:
Yeah.

Mark Redwine:
It made this life easy for all of us.

IMO the bus comment is made in conjunction with a comment about the difficulties of getting Dylan up to take him places while at MR's house. Having lived a life like that, miles away from town and friends, I know that transportation is a real hassle and I think MR was just building on the fact that it is a real hassle and comments after the next question about that life being easier - transportation still on his mind, now linked to the CS - Vallecito transportation issues. Again IMO.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

My theory is this was said to point out what a good dad he was, and maybe also a dig at mom for moving Dylan away. He has made several comments about how close he and Dylan are, and mom says he only sees Dylan a few times a year, but this implies it was more often.. JMOO

I think you've hit the nail on the head. It would be interesting to see a comparison of how many digs/slights he has made about ER compared to how many ER has made about MR.

 

[catswhiskers]

Yes I saw that Ransom. I have watched all the videos, this particular one several times, including watching this part again tonight. In my opinion, he did not directly answer the question. He went straight into trying to wake him up and then on to the bus route, amoung other things. What exactly does the bus route have to do with the question? IMO, nothing. Like I said I have never seen anyone who answered questions in that manner. I also have a theory as to why he brought up the bus route.. does anyone else?

I have just watched the video again, and after MB says

"So, so you guys watched the movie and then, and then, you had plans to go, and then what happened? Did he just?"

MR doesn't launch into talking about trying to wake Dylan up or the bus etc. That comes quite a bit later, after he has talked about not being able to concentrate on the movie, pacing around, them both being tired, etc.
Regarding MB's "question", I am surprised that nobody has commented about it - or am I the only one who doesn't understand what the heck she was trying to ask anyway??
I will say that none of us would probably come off as looking too smart if someone was to sit and transcribe a conversation after the fact. Written and oral language are two different kettles of fish - most people tend to embellish spoken language, especially when speaking casually. We all have different voices which we use in different situations. Speaking formally, chatting casually, writing notes, writing official documents, even composing posts for forums like this. I know that if anyone was to write a transcript of my words in a stressful conversation or interview, it would probably make me come off as being a blathering bundle of nerves.
Anyhow I was very surprised at how unprofessional and inept sounding MB's questions sounded in her interviews with all concerned, and remember commenting about the beauty of editing afterwards. We are fortunate she allowed us to watch her raw footage in this case - under normal circumstances we would only have seen highlights together with carefully worded, studio recorded commentary otherwise.
:moo:
ETA woops I see Coldhands beat me to it, with the actual transcripts - thanks

 

[Redhead72]

I think thats also how LE learned that MR did not report Dylan missing, from the Marshals office.

I'm curious as to why MR tried to mislead people into thinking he had reported Dylan missing when he did not. IMO an innocent person would not do that.


IMO MOO ETC ALL JUST MY OPINION

I would think they knew without a doubt that MR obviously didn't report him missing at the MO from the first moment ER called and reported him missing to the SO. If there had already been a missing child report filed within the county, there is no way the SO wouldn't have already known about it, and the report wouldn't have been in their system. The SO would have already been "on the case" as the Bayfield MO isn't equipped to handle something like this on their own due to their very limited jurisdiction, and wouldn't handle something like this on their own due to SOP of getting the SO, CBI and the FBI involved.

The only information they could get from the MO after the fact of ER reporting to the SO, was to try to confirm if MR ever spoke to, met with, or called someone at the office and mentioned DR at all on Monday afternoon (before or after the office closed).

Possibilities: An officer at the MO could have said "yeah I saw him and he mentioned he was looking for DR", or confirmation could be in the form of him calling and leaving a message (if there was an answering machine), or if MR did try to call after office hours and didn't leave a message then perhaps the record of calls from his cell phone could confirm that he "attempted" to contact the MO's office.

While we're back "at" the MO topic:
Something I brought up the other day that bothers me about MR's statements of what he and the MO supposedly talked about was that he mentions "maybe they could do a welfare check" - if DR was supposed to be at MR's home where would they do a welfare check, and why would they offer to do one in that case?

There was another comment MR made in reference to what the MO supposedly told him, but I can't remember it exactly right now - I'll have to go and look back at my posts. (I'll link my post on this comment, when I find it as I explained what was said, and why I thought it was so strange on that comment, and I don't want to repeat it all here.)

As always, all of the speculation in this comment is MOO! :cow:

ETA: Here is a link to the post I was speaking of. I had thought there was another portion of MR's statements about speaking with the MO that I had addressed, but this one focuses solely on the "wellness check"/welfare check statement.
[ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9152467&postcount=369"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #48[/ame]

 

[Redhead72]

I have just watched the video again, and after MB says

MR doesn't launch into talking about trying to wake Dylan up or the bus etc. That comes quite a bit later, after he has talked about not being able to concentrate on the movie, pacing around, them both being tired, etc.
Regarding MB's "question", I am surprised that nobody has commented about it - or am I the only one who doesn't understand what the heck she was trying to ask anyway??
I will say that none of us would probably come off as looking too smart if someone was to sit and transcribe a conversation after the fact. Written and oral language are two different kettles of fish - most people tend to embellish spoken language, especially when speaking casually. We all have different voices which we use in different situations. Speaking formally, chatting casually, writing notes, writing official documents, even composing posts for forums like this. I know that if anyone was to write a transcript of my words in a stressful conversation or interview, it would probably make me come off as being a blathering bundle of nerves.
Anyhow I was very surprised at how unprofessional and inept sounding MB's questions sounded in her interviews with all concerned, and remember commenting about the beauty of editing afterwards. We are fortunate she allowed us to watch her raw footage in this case - under normal circumstances we would only have seen highlights together with carefully worded, studio recorded commentary otherwise.
:moo:
ETA woops I see Coldhands beat me to it, with the actual transcripts - thanks

The general state of journalism, and competency of journalists themselves is incredibly lacking these days, imo. There are a ton of other questions that a good journalist should have asked, and other follow-up questions that she didn't even seem to think about.

I also agree with you in regard to transcribing spoken word when it comes to properly reflecting pauses, and tone. Like you said, it's difficult to effectively communicate when composing written word at times as well. Then factor in that those who read the text will be prone to reading it in the "voice" that fits with what they believe the person is trying to say.

All of the above is MOO! :cow:

ETA: This is not to say that transcripts, especially the ones TXJan1971 has provided are not valuable, and excellent - just a statement on things in general - especially the journalism part; inept journalists are one of my pet peeves.

 

[Angelonline]

I have just watched the video again, and after MB says

MR doesn't launch into talking about trying to wake Dylan up or the bus etc. That comes quite a bit later, after he has talked about not being able to concentrate on the movie, pacing around, them both being tired, etc.
Regarding MB's "question", I am surprised that nobody has commented about it - or am I the only one who doesn't understand what the heck she was trying to ask anyway??
I will say that none of us would probably come off as looking too smart if someone was to sit and transcribe a conversation after the fact. Written and oral language are two different kettles of fish - most people tend to embellish spoken language, especially when speaking casually. We all have different voices which we use in different situations. Speaking formally, chatting casually, writing notes, writing official documents, even composing posts for forums like this. I know that if anyone was to write a transcript of my words in a stressful conversation or interview, it would probably make me come off as being a blathering bundle of nerves.
Anyhow I was very surprised at how unprofessional and inept sounding MB's questions sounded in her interviews with all concerned, and remember commenting about the beauty of editing afterwards. We are fortunate she allowed us to watch her raw footage in this case - under normal circumstances we would only have seen highlights together with carefully worded, studio recorded commentary otherwise.
:moo:
ETA woops I see Coldhands beat me to it, with the actual transcripts - thanks

I meant straight from not straight to. Sorry I see it was confusing the way I posted it

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think that it's possible when Mark talked to a Marshal in Bayfield that the conversation was about how Mark was looking for Dylan and he was unable to find him. In other words Dylan was missing and Mark was seeking help.

Would Mark consider talking to a police officer and asking for help about his missing child as reporting him missing? I think that it's possible. MOO.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I think that it's possible when Mark talked to a Marshal in Bayfield that the conversation was about how Mark was looking for Dylan and he was unable to find him. In other words Dylan was missing and Mark was seeking help.

Would Mark consider talking to a police officer and asking for help about his missing child as reporting him missing? I think that it's possible. MOO.

IMO thats a little disparaging to MR, I don't believe that he is that stupid.