CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #48

[Redhead72]

I don't know if his attempt failed or not. Obviously it wasn't that successful, since Dylan is missing. My point was the word attempt also means try. I wasn't comparing my attempt to bathe my dog other than to show the meaning of the word attempt. As far as the wording of the press releases...I can easily picture Barney Fife using the thesaurus.

That seems to me to be rather demeaning to the Sheriff's Office and those working for them, especially their PR person. This isn't exactly Mayberry, and the picture of Keystone Kops, or Barney Fife is a very derogatory statement to make. An officer like Barney Fife wouldn't stay on the job for very long, and neither would a person tasked with writing press releases for the Sheriff's Office.

Those employed in PR or as a media director usually have a degree in Communications, or Advertising, or Marketing. The wording of a press release is usually very specific. In this instance, there are only two words that would suffice "to attempt", or "to try". Hardly something one would need to refer to a thesaurus for.

It's interesting that your apparent view of the LPCSO and the Task Force (with members from the CBI) is that of being inept, and unqualified. May I ask why you hold that opinion? Does it have anything to do with MR accusing them of using a polygraph operator that he thought was incompetent - which the LE later reiterated was completely qualified, and that there was no question in regard to that fact?

All of the above is MOO! :cow:

PS - I'm still kind of behind catching up on things and researching for some of my answers. I apologize if I haven't answered posts directed to me over the last 2 pages yet! LOL My head is spinning! ullhair:

 

[Redhead72]

An attempt is still a try. I attempted to give my dog a bath. It was not very successful, but I still did it. Why all the fuss over this word?

Because the word "to attempt" in this specific situation is an important one. It specifically implies that something was tried, but nothing was accomplished whether successful, or not. MR was "attempting to learn" whether or not anyone at the BMO had seen his son. There is no indication that he actually learned whether they had or not, and thus why it informs the previous part of the sentence regarding the apparent "contact" that was made.

If MR had actually had face-to-face, or phone contact with an actual live person at the BMO, then IMO, the press release would read as follows;
"MR had previously contacted the Bayfield Marshals Office, and learned that no-one with that office had seen him that day." Or, alternately, that he had learned that someone "might have seen", or "did see" DR that day in town. Or some a variant of that wording to reflect what was officially noted by the BMO, in call records, or a personal statement from the deputy he spoke with, etc...

All of the above is MOO, and I suppose the interpretation of the statement is correctly left up to individuals to decide what was meant by the choice of those words. I believe it was specific, however, it is clear to others that it was not.

Again, I apologize that my putting the word "to attempt" in the wrong position as I was citing the press release from memory caused more confusion than necessary.

:cow:

 

[mijamawi]

If you continue to read the twitterfeed, you'll see that the twitter fellow for FMDR just wants to repeat what FMDR posted a few days ago re: new search when the ice melts b/c not everyone follows FB. I don't see this as particularly funny.

I saw his response.

I guess I found it funny because knowing who Katt is and her questioning the FMDR Twitter guy kind of undermines him. JMO It's like the rest of the back and forth in this case. I think I'm getting whiplash.

I mean knowing who Katt is in regards to her role in the FMDR foundation, not her personally.

 

[mijamawi]

That seems to me to be rather demeaning to the Sheriff's Office and those working for them, especially their PR person. This isn't exactly Mayberry, and the picture of Keystone Kops, or Barney Fife is a very derogatory statement to make. An officer like Barney Fife wouldn't stay on the job for very long, and neither would a person tasked with writing press releases for the Sheriff's Office.

Those employed in PR or as a media director usually have a degree in Communications, or Advertising, or Marketing. The wording of a press release is usually very specific. In this instance, there are only two words that would suffice "to attempt", or "to try". Hardly something one would need to refer to a thesaurus for.

It's interesting that your apparent view of the LPCSO and the Task Force (with members from the CBI) is that of being inept, and unqualified. May I ask why you hold that opinion? Does it have anything to do with MR accusing them of using a polygraph operator that he thought was incompetent - which the LE later reiterated was completely qualified, and that there was no question in regard to that fact?

All of the above is MOO! :cow:

PS - I'm still kind of behind catching up on things and researching for some of my answers. I apologize if I haven't answered posts directed to me over the last 2 pages yet! LOL My head is spinning! ullhair:

It is my opinion that LE has mishandled this case from the beginning. And if MR turns out to be guilty, then they really screwed the pooch by waiting 10 days to do a thorough search. JMO

And, no, it has nothing to do with MR and the polygraph.

 

[mijamawi]

I was just viewing FMDR and noticed a post offering information on CUE. I don't know why I don't already know this, but have they contacted any type of missing persons foundation? I know LE didn't want TES, but I was curious if any of the others have been contacted, Klaas Kids, etc..

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Respectfully, since this has come up more than a few times, when you have a chance, could you please take a look at their posted hours? I have cut and pasted it from their site, but it would probably be best if you saw it for yourself:


Hours of Operation
Monday - Friday
9 am - 3 pm
Phone: 884-9636
Emergency: 9-1-1
24-Hour dispatch: 385-2900
Fax: 970-884-2195


It seems to state (IMO) that the office is staffed from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m., Monday through Friday. It seems (again IMO) that contact at other times would have to be by either telephone or fax.


BBM

Looked again for you. I still don't think that seven people all work from 9 am - 3 pm Monday through Friday. Do you? It seems that contact could have been in person with one of the seven employees. BTW, if those are full time hours in Bayfield, I'm moving there to find a job. As soon as they rule out someone abducting a young man in the area.

 

[Redhead72]

I should have asked you for the up to date info in the first place! :smiles:
Seven employees increases the likelihood that they don't all work 9 am to 3 pm. And Please, please review the actual press release wording. It states definitively that MR made contact and attempted to learn....

LOL

I agree that it makes it more likely that there are officers on patrol after office hours. However, these officers could be dispatched by the Sheriff's office for calls that fall within Bayfield city limits (calls which would come in through 911 or the 24-hour-dispatch phone number).

This doesn't mean however that one would be able to call the business office and speak to someone in person after hours, or speak to an officer directly by calling the office phone number. It also doesn't indicate that officers are necessarily at the office at any time during their shifts if they are after hours. Also note that Bayfield doesn't have a detention center and anyone arrested would go to the County Jail so that would indicate that they work closely with the LPCSO in relation to their LE activities both during regular hours, and after hours as well. [Also note that in small communities sometimes officers are even contacted at their homes by dispatch in the event of an emergency while they are "on call" - I do not know that BMO deputies are only "on call" and not on patrol during an off-hours shift, just that it's another possibility for how the BMO works after hours.]

Again, I do not know for sure what BMO does in regard to actual work shifts, patrol hours and SOP for an officer on patrol. The only things we do know for sure are; that the office hours are from 9-3 M-F and closed on the weekends, that the BMO supplies a 24-hour-dispatch phone number on their webpage that is a direct line to the LPCSO, and that in case of an emergency there is 911 service.

I'm sure you've likely seen where I acknowledged the wording in the press release, and admitted I had re-arranged it in my head. Please note that it doesn't completely change the meaning of the sentence as it still contains the word "to attempt", and doesn't change my comprehension of the sentence itself and what is implied by that choice of words.

PS - I think I've almost caught up and didn't miss anything directed towards me specifically. Thanks!

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Joseph McIntyre Chief Marshal
Maureen Cleveland Admin Secretary
Dan Cyr Corporal
Dan Abdella Corporal
Paul Pate Deputy
Holly Cashwell Deputy
Derick Campbell Deputy

From Bayfield Marshal's Office website

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

And from a 2010 article.

Bayfield Marshal Chris Choate told the board his office always has someone on call, though his staff of four deputies isnt large enough to have someone on duty all the time.

It looks like they are currently down to only 3 deputies (see my post above).

 

[mijamawi]

So, is it anarchy on the weekends in Bayfield with no LE around?

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Okay, so Bayfield is small. 1600 or so residents in the 2000 census. I'm an urban girl, who can find an LE officer when I want one in the big city. With such a small town, I happen to believe that MR could have located a Corporal or Deputy in the small, small town of Bayfield without too much trouble. Did he? I don't know. I'm just saying he could have; it makes sense to me. It's amazing to me, my high school had 2,400 hundred students.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I'm sure the SO probably covers the area at night and on the weekends.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Okay, so Bayfield is small. 1600 or so residents in the 2000 census. I'm an urban girl, who can find an LE officer when I want one in the big city. With such a small town, I happen to believe that MR could have located a Corporal or Deputy in the small, small town of Bayfield without too much trouble. Did he? I don't know. I'm just saying he could have; it makes sense to me. It's amazing to me, my high school had 2,400 hundred students.

BBM

How would he do this if they were off duty and the office was closed? I'm sure he could have called SO dispatch (and the number is probably posted on the MO doors) and they could have gotten a hold of the on call deputy but IMO the dispatcher would have probably asked MR where he lived and once he gave his home address they would have referred him to the SO since they cover his area. Just MOO.

 

[Dee10]

Okay, so Bayfield is small. 1600 or so residents in the 2000 census. I'm an urban girl, who can find an LE officer when I want one in the big city. With such a small town, I happen to believe that MR could have located a Corporal or Deputy in the small, small town of Bayfield without too much trouble. Did he? I don't know. I'm just saying he could have; it makes sense to me. It's amazing to me, my high school had 2,400 hundred students.

Well if that was the case & he went looking to flag someone down or what have you as he has said numerous times he was AT the MO, it would just add to the other inconsistent statements of MR's. :facepalm:

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Well if that was the case & he went looking to flag someone down or what have you as he has said numerous times he was AT the MO, it would just add to the other inconsistent statements of MR's. :facepalm:

I'm sure at 5:00 the deputies were probably at home having dinner with their families. MR said nothing about driving around town trying to flag down an OFF DUTY Deputy. That's silly IMO.

 

[Money Girl]

Thanks to everyone for the very enlightening posts today. WebSleuthers are amazing.

Reminds me of the way the posters stuck with the DWT during the Mickey Shunick investigation.

 

[DylansMom34]

I'm just going to throw this out there. Mark texted Elaine around 5:30 p.m. on Monday night. In Colorado at that time of the year, it is getting dark around 4:30/5:00 in the Metro area. It was probably nearly dark by the time Mark texted Elaine so also dark if Mark is driving around on dark mountain roads searching for an off-duty officer. IMO

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

Unless LE puts out a statement with times in it, when and how LE was contacted is pretty confusing. Since LE states that MR contacted, I think it is safe to say that he did. Oddly ER said she called the Bayfield Police around 5:30. So at least by then she must have been redirected to the SO. Isn't the SO in Durango? The article in the Durango Herald (link below) says MR contacted police via phone at 6pm. Makes no sense to me. Why wouldn't he have been redirected as well? Unless he just left a statement that he wanted an APB to look out for Dillan and have him call if they see him?

If the time is right in the Durango Herald article, one might think MR called the police after ER said she was going to.

No clue. Very confusing.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121129/NEWS01/121129528/-1/news01&source=RSS

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121129/NEWS01/121129528/-1/news01&source=RSS

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Once upon a time, there were a range of opinions about who is guilty of harming Dylan, if only because he is not where he belongs. Once upon a time a person could say, this makes him look guilty, but this makes him look innocent in reference to MR. At this point, the polarization is so complete as to make to most innocent statement or point of view to be called irrelevant or silly. I think it's interesting to notice that no one is able to make a significant move from their position. In fact, we have become more and more polarized and extreme in what we say. If something supports a point of view we agree with, we support it, regardless of it's accuracy. With no new information, I no longer find this discourse helpful, nor do I find the polarization helpful to my own desire to know what happened to Dylan and who is responsible. See you all when there is something new that a discussion can help illuminate.

 

[ColdHands]

From Twitter:
@DylanRedwine: Update on the search for Dylan Redwine http://t.co/gs30CGaFIC #FindDylan

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