CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #48

[GaryfromCanada]

I’ve been following this story for a while. No idea how I heard about it. Probably from yahoo or a similar news site.

I have my opinions on what may have happened to Dylan. Though, I don’t think it’s necessary to fan the flames. Already enough of that in the media.
Suffice to say I don’t believe Dylan is with us anymore and I can only hope, with spring approaching, his loved ones can finally get the answers and put this nightmare behind them and find a way to honor Dylan’s memory.

What prompted me to sign on to this web site (it’s only the second forum I’ve signed on to….the other is a hockey site…of course it is- I’m a Canadian:floorlaugh is something that has bothered me since learning of it.
<modsnip> Dylan didn&#8217;t want to visit his dad but was on a court ordered visit boggles my mind.

I understand and generally agree with decisions of our courts BUT how in Gods name can a court force a person to visit someone against their will?
Yes, I realize Dylan is a minor but when we expect young people to have respect for rules and regulations and then force them to do something that they don&#8217;t want to do, we then wonder why they become combative.

This isn&#8217;t like telling a child to eat their vegetables. This is taking him/her out of their comfort/safe zone.
I understand the arguments regarding visitation rights but the rights of the child shouldn&#8217;t be ignored just because they&#8217;re a child. And if one of the parents tries to "buy" the child with gifts, well, that&#8217;s the price we pay for giving the child the right to say yes or no.

All I can do is hope that I&#8217;m wrong about what I think has happened to Dylan and that he comes home.

By the way I had no idea how many people go missing every year. Reading some of the threads is extremely upsetting.

 

[SCHMAE]

Welcome Gary! Thanks for joining us. There is a wonderful welcome wagon emoticon that someone else will surely send you because I don't know how.
I hope and pray that you are wrong but I realize the odds of him being alive are slim.
I believe in miracles !

 

[cluciano63]

"Court-ordered" really just refers to the schedule worked out or assigned by a judge for visitation. It does not always mean that the children don't want to go. But in any case, the law in the US generally does force children to spend time with each parent, unless in cases of extreme situations, at least until the child is older, when he or she may have some say in the matter. Varies from state to state as to what age that is.

Sometimes the court makes very bad decisions (the Powell children is the most extreme example). But overall, the kids will have to go in most cases.

JMO

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Here's the part about the dogs not getting any scent hits in January. About 1.25 in the video

In January, they went back to the lake with cadaver dogs to sniff around again. They sliced the ice open but still picked up no scent.


http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=329186

IIRC it was February when they went back to the lake and that the dogs hit on the same spots as the dogs did in November.

 

[SCHMAE]

"Court-ordered" really just refers to the schedule worked out or assigned by a judge for visitation. It does not always mean that the children don't want to go. But in any case, the law in the US generally does force children to spend time with each parent, unless in cases of extreme situations, at least until the child is older, when he or she may have some say in the matter. Varies from state to state as to what age that is.

Sometimes the court makes very bad decisions (the Powell children is the most extreme example). But overall, the kids will have to go in most cases.

JMO

True. I think it's been made to sound worse than it is. I think it was a routine visit. I have seen nothing to indicate that Dylan or ER begged the judge to not make him go. ER would be screaming that from the mountaintops if it were so, IMHO. If there was a battle of wills and Dylan begged the judge to not go out of fear, etc., we would have heard about that from day one, I believe.
Anything involving where a child is after a divorce is ' court ordered' . I think the word ORDER makes it sound like it was an order when it's just a term.

 

[rosesfromangels]

JMO but I think someone besides MR, knows, saw something, was somehow involved, or was told something.. Doesn't exclude MR..just someone knows JMO.

I agree with you 100%. His close circle of associates should be scrutinized as I'm sure they are....

 

[rosesfromangels]

Welcome Gary! Thanks for joining us. There is a wonderful welcome wagon emoticon that someone else will surely send you because I don't know how.
I hope and pray that you are wrong but I realize the odds of him being alive are slim.
I believe in miracles !

I do too! And you are right. The chances of a miracle here are remote, but as long as their isn't finality, we must not give up.

 

[mijamawi]

Dylan met privately with the judge, which leads me to believe the judge wanted Dylan's true feelings regarding a visit with his dad. Of course we have no idea what Dylan said to the judge, but IMO that would have been a perfect time for Dylan to plead with the judge if he really didn't want to go. And who knows, he may have really wanted to go...maybe not to visit MR but to see his friends.

 

[mijamawi]

I agree with you 100%. His close circle of associates should be scrutinized as I'm sure they are....

Does he even have a close circle of associates? Doesn't really seem like it.

 

[The Cheese]

IIRC it was February when they went back to the lake and that the dogs hit on the same spots as the dogs did in November.

You're right! I was going back through the news articles, and it was the weekend of Feb 23/24 they cut the holes in the ice on the lake.

Why is he talking about January and not February? I'm pretty sure the previous visit by Wendy and her dogs was in December, not January, but I have to look it up to confirm it.

There are news articles for the Feb ice cutting timeframe though that say they didn't find anything (e.g. CBS Denver, 9News). Weird.

ETA It was December. Here's one of Wendy's facebook posts about it
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=441953229193967&id=249798878409404

 

[cluciano63]

I would think it is a fairly short list of people who both knew where MR lived and also knew that Dylan would be visiting that weekend. Even if some people knew vaguely that Dylan was coming for Thanksgiving, coming in the weekend before would not be generally assumed, IMO. LE should have been able to get this list from LE months ago and interviewed these people. And anyway, who would expect to find a child alone while visiting a parent for a short time?

A neighbor may have seen MR drive off alone, but again, anyone nearby would have been interviewed months ago.

And it always comes back to the lack of phone use by Dylan, for me. I can't buy into a scenario where he simply stopped texting by choice. And I am not going to make the leap that his phone was broken, just because it would explain it, in a neat way. There is no evidence of that happening.

 

[mijamawi]

I would think it is a fairly short list of people who both knew where MR lived and also knew that Dylan would be visiting that weekend. Even if some people knew vaguely that Dylan was coming for Thanksgiving, coming in the weekend before would not be generally assumed, IMO. LE should have been able to get this list from LE months ago and interviewed these people. And anyway, who would expect to find a child alone while visiting a parent for a short time?

A neighbor may have seen MR drive off alone, but again, anyone nearby would have been interviewed months ago.

And it always comes back to the lack of phone use by Dylan, for me. I can't buy into a scenario where he simply stopped texting by choice. And I am not going to make the leap that his phone was broken, just because it would explain it, in a neat way. There is no evidence of that happening.

BBM

I have to admit, the phone thing is definitely something that makes me pause.

 

[The Cheese]

BBM

I have to admit, the phone thing is definitely something that makes me pause.

Me too, but I'm waiting to hear from LE whether Dylan used the landline Monday morning or Sunday night.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

You're right! I was going back through the news articles, and it was the weekend of Feb 23/24 they cut the holes in the ice on the lake.

Why is he talking about January and not February? I'm pretty sure the previous visit by Wendy and her dogs was in December, not January, but I have to look it up to confirm it.

There are news articles for the Feb ice cutting timeframe though that say they didn't find anything (e.g. CBS Denver, 9News). Weird.

Thanks

I'm sure I read that they didn't find anythng new, ie the dogs hit on the same places as the ones in Nov did.

Its very weird, I wonder why the wrong info, poor reporting or deliberate attept to shift focus?

 

[The Cheese]

Thanks

I'm sure I read that they didn't find anythng new, ie the dogs hit on the same places as the ones in Nov did.

Its very weird, I wonder why the wrong info, poor reporting or deliberate attept to shift focus?

The articles I found from the Feb ice holes timeframe in 9News and CBS Denver just said they didn't find anything, not that they didn't find anything new. It was weird because then the first day of the Dr Phil show, which I think was Feb 26th, then Wendy announced she got hits. And one news article said LE said they had gotten a lot of calls from TV stations due to a rumor started on FMDR that Dylan's body had been found.

Also, I didn't save the link but Wendy said in a video they went east of where LE's dogs hit and got hits there.

And another news where Wendy said the dogs hit the same place as the LE dogs in November, then they went east and the dogs hit even more (more lively or the dogs were going crazy or something. I can't think of the exact wording).

Also there was an article in which LE said they had searched east in November, and another article where LE said the total area they searched was 20 times the size of where the LE dog hits were.

There was also a FMDR post that said it was 100 yards east.

Sorry I don't have the links handy, and I don't have time to look it all up right now. I'm following one trial (Schaffhausen), and will shortly be following another (Arias), so busy day. I can look later on lunch breaks or after the trials are over for the day.

 

[The Cheese]

Maybe we should put all this stuff in the search thread to make search related stuff easier to find?

 

[SCHMAE]

Me too, but I'm waiting to hear from LE whether Dylan used the landline Monday morning or Sunday night.

OR whether LE knows when/where/what became of the phone.
They havent' really said much. For all we know, it's pinged them
and texted them much more information than we have.
We , ME anyway, are under the impression that at 9:37 , no
info about the phone was ever known again. But LE may know
more . They may know more than that. Could they have found a
fragment of the phone's case somewhere ?
I hope to say " well played LE '' at some point in this case !

 

[aust amateur slueth]

The articles I found from the Feb ice holes timeframe in 9News and CBS Denver just said they didn't find anything, not that they didn't find anything new. It was weird because then the first day of the Dr Phil show, which I think was Feb 26th, then Wendy announced she got hits. And one news article said LE said they had gotten a lot of calls from TV stations due to a rumor started on FMDR that Dylan's body had been found.

Also, I didn't save the link but Wendy said in a video they went east of where LE's dogs hit and got hits there.

And another news where Wendy said the dogs hit the same place as the LE dogs in November, then they went east and the dogs hit even more (more lively or the dogs were going crazy or something. I can't think of the exact wording).

Also there was an article in which LE said they had searched east in November, and another article where LE said the total area they searched was 20 times the size of where the LE dog hits were.

There was also a FMDR post that said it was 100 yards east.

Sorry I don't have the links handy, and I don't have time to look it all up right now. I'm following one trial (Schaffhausen), and will shortly be following another (Arias), so busy day. I can look later on lunch breaks or after the trials are over for the day.

I found the article that I'd read that said no new information

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22661943/redwine-family-cuts-hole-ice-search-dylan

Its strange I recall reading a durango herald article about that search, but I can't find any articles about it now.

 

[cluciano63]

If Dylan used the landline on Monday, I think we would know about it. Clearly he did not contact R, since R was texting him throughout the day. Nor did ER hear from him, apparently. If anyone had, Dylan surely would have said his cell was not working, IMO. Also, if LE knew for sure Dylan was alive and well at any time on Monday, I doubt they would still be including Sunday night in their communications to the public.

If they thought, for instance, that a predator might have followed them on Sunday night, surely LE would be showing photos of MR's truck to the public, again and again. Yet have they shown it, even once,asking for any info about it?

Also, I find it so unlikely that Dylan would simply stop texting at 9:30 on a non-school night, when according to MR he was up for at least another hour, if not longer. Movie or no movie. They text all the time and he had just arrived in town, where he seems to have had many friends.

To me, at least, it is clear that LE has no proof that Dylan awoke on Monday.

 

[Tennlyn]

I had another Dylan dream last night. (Nothing psychic - Just can't get his sweet face out of my mind!) Praying that this is the week he comes home. lease:

I wish LPSCO would start doing some flyovers of the lakes again now that they've pretty much thawed.