CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #49

[The Cheese]

Mother Speaks About Updates In Search For Dylan Redwine

http://denver.cbslocal.com/video/8809763-mother-speaks-about-updates-in-search-for-dylan-redwine/

ETA - I am so sorry Elaine. My heart breaks for you.

In the video, the map shows the incorrect location of MR's home.

Reporter says,

"They wanted to focus on an area he may have been able to walk to."

"It was something 12 feet from the shore dogs sniffed out"

Woman on the phone says,

"So we just really wanted some confirmation, and to rule out the lake"

Reporter says,

"The search ended the same way every other one has - with nothing"

 

[Lordeebee]

I did just read the newspaper article that showed the police searching the shoreline and building a coffer dam (not too sure why they did that). IMO, a small chain of snorkelers in the water (say 6 or 8), searching parallel to the shoreline could probably cover to a depth of 10 feet, would have been far more effective and thorough. Add 4 scuba divers at a safe depth of 30-40 feet, also swimming parallel to shore just beyond the snorkelers, and a lot of territory could be safely and relatively easily covered.
bbm (This was from DiveGuy - somehow didn't get the quote function, sorry)

Snipped with respect! Thanks or all of the knowledgable information!

It seems like there must have been some reason why LE was digging - I don't know if they ever used the backhoe they brought to the lake bed, but in the video they were digging with shovels. So my question is, would divers or snorkelers be able to do any digging? Sure wish we knew what/why they were digging for.

 

[cluciano63]

I do find it head-scratching that the father of a missing child simply drops out of sight, or so it seems. Kind of a weak man, IMO, if his feelings being hurt surpass a parental instinct. I am positive he could command the attention of the media whenever he wanted to. But then he might have to suck it up and apparently, he can't.

 

[DylansMom34]

It's surprising to me that Mark appears to be avoiding the media. I think most parents of missing children would welcome the opportunity to talk about their child and keep the focus on the search. Not sure what to make of what appears to be evasiveness. MOO

 

[Lordeebee]

I think the coffer dam (only one?) was set up in the general northeast corner of the lake. One area, one dam, one search. Cannot determine to my satisfaction if this was based on the K-9 Forensic dog hits or recent LE dog hits. Also thinking scent from water washing up on shore for shoreline dog hits. Those dogs might well have hit on the water as well this week *if they had been brought out ON the water.*

When I google mapped the Middle Mountain campground, it was on the east side, about half way down the lake, where the five forks enter the reservoir. I don't know how to link the map, but easy to find. I will have to go back and look at the first pictures of the Tuesday seach, and see if it is possible to tell whether the landscape looks the same.

 

[azgrandma]

In the video, the map shows the incorrect location of MR's home.

Reporter says,

"They wanted to focus on an area that he may have been able to walk."

"It was something 12 feet from the shore dogs sniffed out"

Woman on the phone says,

"So we just really wanted some confirmation, and to rule out the lake"

Reporter says,

"The search ended the same way every other one has - with nothing"

The woman on the phone is Elaine, as the reporter indicated as well as the video had at the top; On the Phone, Elaine Redwine, Dylan's mother. I just wanted to point that out so that it isn't misunderstood that it was anyone else.
I disagree, <modsnip>, that the ending was more than nothing. MR won't talk to reporters, not really communicating, sending cryptic emails, sounds as if he is isolating himself and/or pulling away from the search for his son, that tells me a lot. I'm just not sure what my opinion would be on a parent that has ZERO involvement in the search for their child, ZERO involvement in getting publicity or speaking with reporters. Just sad that Elaine is left to do it all.
All is MOO

 

[The Cheese]

"They wanted to focus on an area he may have been able to walk to."

If LE really said that, then it doesn't sound to me like they're focused on Mark.

:cow:

 

[azgrandma]

I do find it head-scratching that the father of a missing child simply drops out of sight, or so it seems. Kind of a weak man, IMO, if his feelings being hurt surpass a parental instinct. I am positive he could command the attention of the media whenever he wanted to. But then he might have to suck it up and apparently, he can't.

I agree, IMO, if your feelings are still hurt after five months, you need some serious counseling. (you in general) Sometimes as a parent you have to do the difficult things in life and I always think of this saying I hear, suck it up buttercup.

 

[The Cheese]

The woman on the phone is Elaine, as the reporter indicated as well as the video had at the top; On the Phone, Elaine Redwine, Dylan's mother. I just wanted to point that out so that it isn't misunderstood that it was anyone else.
I disagree, I'm sure we can agree to disagree, that the ending was more than nothing. MR won't talk to reporters, not really communicating, sending cryptic emails, sounds as if he is isolating himself and/or pulling away from the search for his son, that tells me a lot. I'm just not sure what my opinion would be on a parent that has ZERO involvement in the search for their child, ZERO involvement in getting publicity or speaking with reporters. Just sad that Elaine is left to do it all.
All is MOO

BBM

- 1st BBM - This was said before Elaine was clearly identified, and I wasn't sure if that was Elaine or not, possibly a LE spokeswoman, and I didn't want to misidentify her, and possibly attribute her as saying something she hadn't. I was trying to be respectful of Elaine.

- 2nd BBM. Just want to make sure it's clear, since you're saying agree to disagree, that the quote you're referring to, in quote marks in my post, and preceded by Reporter says, is a quote from the reporter in the video. Not me. So I don't know how the agree to disagree rule works when invoked for what a reporter says, but I didn't give any opinion on what the reporter said. Again, just want to make sure it's clear.

 

[Lordeebee]

Wendy said on this video that they were searching the at the East side of the lake, Four Corners area, (in February) where Sabre had very strong hits (at 1:01 on the video). She said that she hoped LE goes back to search this area again. The reporter goes on to state that LE's canine search back in the fall also yielded hits in the same area.

http://fourcorners.kob.com/news/news/145021-k-9-rescue-team-returns-redwine-search

 

[rebeccaeee]

"They wanted to focus on an area he may have been able to walk to."

Doesn't sound to me like they're focused on Mark.

:cow:

The March 19 press release states:

"Investigators continue to seek information and evidence from the public to determine whether something happened to Dylan at the home or whether he somehow left the home and something happened to him away from the home."

Somehow left the home. That could mean by walking six miles to middle mountain campground, sure.

Many posters have doubted the validity of reporter's comments (as opposed to LE quotes) so in that spirit, until Dan Bender himself says they were searching Middle Mountain campground because they are interested in places Dylan could walk to, I'm not buying it.

 

[The Cheese]

The March 19 press release states:

"Investigators continue to seek information and evidence from the public to determine whether something happened to Dylan at the home or whether he somehow left the home and something happened to him away from the home."

Somehow left the home. That could mean by walking six miles to middle mountain campground, sure.

Many posters have doubted the validity of reporter's comments (as opposed to LE quotes) so in that spirit, until Dan Bender himself says they were searching Middle Mountain campground because they are interested in places Dylan could walk to, I'm not buying it.

You're right. I should have said, "If it's true LE said that, then it doesn't sound like they're focusing on Mark".

I'll edit my post.

 

[diveguy]

Dive Guy - Thank you so much for your input!

I see you are talking about depths of 40-60 feet, and the challenges associated with decompression and such.

I am curious if even in the Spring/Summer would it be possible, at that altitude - even with the warmer water - to dive 80-100 ft or more at all? (The deepest part of the lake by the dam is apparently around that depth currently - 167 ft. is the max. depth if the reservoir was 100% full).

The biggest concern as far as depth of the dive at that altitude is the decompression issue, correct? I'm wondering if the ROV's and 360 drop sonar and such actually found something, would a diver be able to get to that spot for any length of time, or would they have to rely on the ROV and such to retrieve anything found?

The cold water isn't really a huge factor - divers would be wearing drysuits like ice divers use, and there are even heating vests that can be worn inside. Low visibility means divers have to move much slower and cannot cover as much ground - they simply cannot see as far and need to prevent getting snagged themselves (many underwater searches are done in zero visibility and by feel only - we used to call it 'diving by Braille'. Not fun, and quite inefficient.)

The biggest problem is that at 8,000 feet, there is less atmospheric pressure around out bodies at the surface. After absorbing nitrogen during a dive underwater it is "offgassed" much faster upon surfacing. If we absorb too much nitrogen and the pressure around us is reduced too rapidly, the dissolved gasses in the bloodstream actually form bubbles (think of opening a bottle of Sprite). These bubbles tend to congregate around the joints, resulting in "the bends" which can be serious/deadly. So a dive to 100 feet deep at 8,000 feet elevation is equal to an ocean dive to 140 feet in terms of dive time/nitrogen absorption limits. 160 feet at this altitude would likely require the diver breathe mixed gasses - they actually reduce or remove the nitrogen from the air in the tank and replace it with another gas, like Helium. This gets very complicated, and not likely to be used for a search or recovery in this instance, especially now that they could bring an object up using an ROV in a much safer way. In addition to the laws of physics and general dive safety guidelines, there are OSHA regulations for dive teams, which limit divers further.

Back to the search itself, I think working with good scent dogs could isolate the area much further. From chat and news reports, it sounds like the dam area is a hotspot. While it may be prohibitively deep there at the deepest, I would focus on diving the length of the dam, starting at 10 feet deep, then 20 feet deep, then 30 feet, then 40 – all of which are safely do-able by a team of divers. If a person were to "fall" in or be tossed in the water here, there's at least a chance they're within this depth (or perhaps some other evidence, like a backpack or fishing pole). And if nothing was found, at least that sliver of water could be eliminated to make the search with ROV's more efficient later.

 

[Lordeebee]

I agree, IMO, if your feelings are still hurt after five months, you need some serious counseling. (you in general) Sometimes as a parent you have to do the difficult things in life and I always think of this saying I hear, suck it up buttercup.

Exactly! I can not imagine having one of my sons go missing, I think it would about kill me. I would do anything I could to help find them, and as ER states in that recent video, she will never give up trying to find Dylan.

It would be very difficult as a parent to have suspicion aimed at you, as in MR's case. But that would NEVER stop me from trying to find my child, even if it meant being in the limelight and being accused at every turn. I would have to put that hurt on the back burner and have my only priority be doing whatever I could to find my son!

 

[cluciano63]

You're right. I should have said, "If it's true LE said that, then it doesn't sound like they're focusing on Mark".

I'll edit my post.

I do not read it that way at all, simply that they do not know. Whether he walked away, accepted a ride or was removed not alive, they do not know. All would fall under "somehow".

 

[azgrandma]

Elaine - "He won't speak to us. He is very cryptic when he e-mails me and just, you know, no participation, you know. No involvement whatsoever."

Dominic - "We did try Dylans father, Mike, several times today, the phone would just continue to ring, we never got an answering machine that picked up."

http://denver.cbslocal.com/video/88...arch-for-dylan-redwine/#.UXlmK2fMIEM.facebook

I just don't understand and cannot phantom why a parent with a missing child would not answer the phone and/or have an answering machine. Isn't the goal to get the word out to the public to know your child and to look for your child? Why would you not answer your phone, have it forwarded to your cell, have an answering machine? I would be scared to death that I would miss the call saying they found my child. I'd answer every call on the half ring.
MOO.

 

[Lordeebee]

It breaks my heart every time I hear Elaine talk about Dylan - I believe God is counting every tear she sheds.

 

[Confusion]

Elaine - "He won't speak to us. He is very cryptic when he e-mails me and just, you know, no participation, you know. No involvement whatsoever."

Dominic - "We did try Dylans father, Mike, several times today, the phone would just continue to ring, we never got an answering machine that picked up."

http://denver.cbslocal.com/video/88...arch-for-dylan-redwine/#.UXlmK2fMIEM.facebook

I just don't understand and cannot phantom why a parent with a missing child would not answer the phone and/or have an answering machine. Isn't the goal to get the word out to the public to know your child and to look for your child? Why would you not answer your phone, have it forwarded to your cell, have an answering machine? I would be scared to death that I would miss the call saying they found my child. I'd answer every call on the half ring.
MOO.

BBM

Nothing real important, but someone should tell him that Dylan's father's name is Mark, not Mike. I'd hate to have people start to think it's MH who is being so evasive. MOO

 

[Emma Ems]

Elaine - "He won't speak to us. He is very cryptic when he e-mails me and just, you know, no participation, you know. No involvement whatsoever."

Dominic - "We did try Dylans father, Mike, several times today, the phone would just continue to ring, we never got an answering machine that picked up."

http://denver.cbslocal.com/video/88...arch-for-dylan-redwine/#.UXlmK2fMIEM.facebook

I just don't understand and cannot phantom why a parent with a missing child would not answer the phone and/or have an answering machine. Isn't the goal to get the word out to the public to know your child and to look for your child? Why would you not answer your phone, have it forwarded to your cell, have an answering machine? I would be scared to death that I would miss the call saying they found my child. I'd answer every call on the half ring.
MOO.

Just wanted to add a point for consideration to this. LE may have Mark's cell number to contact him if they found Dylan. Media may only have his home number, and if his home phone is ringing off the hook while he is out of town for work, well he won't be there to answer it. I don't imagine, if there were a lot of phone calls that he would forward all calls to his cell. But he should definitely give investigators a number he can be reached 24/7 at for when they find Dylan.

I also imagine it would probably be hard to do a media interview over the phone while at work. My husband's job doesn't even allow you to take phones into the building while they are at work. They have to leave them in the car, and that rule came into effect because people wouldn't adhere to the no talking on cell phones during work rule. They would sneak and talk and the job they do requires total concentration and a very simple mistake because of a distraction could be life or death for someone else.

 

[azgrandma]

Just wanted to add a point for consideration to this. LE may have Mark's cell number to contact him if they found Dylan. Media may only have his home number, and if his home phone is ringing off the hook while he is out of town for work, well he won't be there to answer it. I don't imagine, if there were a lot of phone calls that he would forward all calls to his cell. But he should definitely give investigators a number he can be reached 24/7 at for when they find Dylan.

I also imagine it would probably be hard to do a media interview over the phone while at work. My husband's job doesn't even allow you to take phones into the building while they are at work. They have to leave them in the car, and that rule came into effect because people wouldn't adhere to the no talking on cell phones during work rule. They would sneak and talk and the job they do requires total concentration and a very simple mistake because of a distraction could be life or death for someone else.

I would imagine that LE certainly does have a contact number for MR. However, how many times has it been reported that people found out about something on the news first - not saying it happens all the time but it has happened. Having your home forwarded would IMO be important at a time when your child is missing. But, that's me.

I also imagine that it would be hard to do a media interivew over the phone while at work. This is his son, not an interview about a mundane topic, HIS SON. He's a truck driver, I imagine he would either be in the bad habit of talking on the phone while driving and/or have a bluetooth and/or be able to say, "Let me pull over so we can talk". He doesn't work in an office, he works in a truck, at least that's been the general discussion about his employment. It also isn't known what time they tried, although he indicated several times.

I find it very disturbing that this is the second (at least) time that a reporter has indicated that they tried to contact MR to no avail. Thank goodness Elaine sees it necessary to answer her phone. As a matter of fact, I spoke with her about her employer and it was pretty interesting that she relayed to me that her employer knows her son is missing so she is given some leniency to otherwise enforced procedures. What kind of employer would tell the parent of a missing child - you can't answer your phone while at work? I'm sure there may be a few heartless ones, but I can't imagine it.

I can imagine a lot of reasons for MR not doing interviews, but none have to do with his job.

All MOO.

ETA - the interview took just a few moments, heck someone could sneak off to the bathroom and conduct two interviews without being caught.