CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #5

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  • #241
Hmmm ... thinking best case scenario and a live Dylan. The friend of the dad or family (Nancy Grace transcript, for got the woman's name - Hess?)...

We were told Dylan and his dad stopped at the grocery store on the way home from the airport. He could have easily stocked up 'for the week' Dylan was there. Takes Dylan's phone away from him. Left Dylan there overnight. Came to check on him the next morning, 'out like a light' ... dunno. Thinking out loud. A lot of time between 6:00 p.m. Sunday and the time Dylan was reported missing Monday late afternoon.

I think she is friend to both. But, she was the lady organizing the searches, and vigil. Seems to me she is in contact with both parents. We know that DR's mom has a live in, but do we know if MR is in a relationship? jmo
 
  • #242
Thank you for looking...I was trying to find them but as some of you prob remember on an earlier case my boss offered to start a PI company for me to work at and I kinda think he was kidding....sorta'....anyway trying to not be on all the time at work....:what:
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Yes, I was just thinking about that yesterday when I saw you where on here, how funny I thought that was that your boss had said that! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
 
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“We do know he reached La Plata County,” Bender said. Beyond that, there isn’t much.

La Plata County, ok. I wonder if Dylan reached dad's home...
 
  • #245
http://www.pinerivertimes.com/

There have been no clues or confirmed sightings of Dylan since Sunday night, Bender said, and such a lack of leads is unusual.
“That’s what’s made it such a frustrating case,” Bender said. “We had to check every single possibility.”

BBM

Sarg is saying they got nothing.....no more than we do???

If something happened right after Dad picked him up at the airport, then there wouldn't be much to find in Vallecito or at Dad's house. Maybe the area they need to search is much closer to the airport.
 
  • #246
Oh my goodness.....thanks for the link...the past tense in their talking is so CREEPY! and upsetting!

I feel that by the sheer fact all three have done this, it probably is not significant. It was just how they spoke at the time. It is disturbing if you would have only one, but all three. jmo
 
  • #247
I have been all over him the past hour or so and all I got was disappointed!



*all over his social media pages that is and there is nothing new there.


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  • #248
I'm not really convinced that DR didn't want to spend Thanksgiving there. He hadn't seen his friends (who he'd known since he was about 5) in a couple of months, and sounded like he was looking forward to seeing them. I also know from my own childhood, and many other kids I've known, that no matter how much you love a relative, it's usually more fun to visit friends than to spend the day with a bunch of "old people" - especially when one is possibly terminally ill.

I also don't think he looks very happy in the 2 latest (I believe) pictures of him. One is him, his mother, brother and "stepfather", and DR is the only one not smiling. The other looks like his latest school picture, and he looks like he has more of a smirk than a smile. In both of them he seems to have dark circles under his eyes, which makes me think he wasn't sleeping real well - in addition to that, he was said to have been up until early morning Friday/Saturday.

It's probably nothing, but I can't help but wonder if "he" didn't want to go, or if he just never told them that he did want to go. I'm under the impression that they moved in with MH when they moved to Colorado Springs, and that along with moving away from his father, everybody he grew up with & the house he'd lived in since he was 5, starting a new school is a lot of change and a lot of stress. I'm not saying that MH is guilty of anything, but DR could feel like he's being disloyal to MR if he shows any kind of affection for MH. :twocents:
 
  • #249
I feel that by the sheer fact all three have done this, it probably is not significant. It was just how they spoke at the time. It is disturbing if you would have only one, but all three. jmo

I think ER & CR *know* that Dylan is gone. They feel certain he would have contacted them if he could and they know what MR is capable of.




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  • #250
Bringing my own quote over from another thread

To be fair, Mom was the first one to use the past tense when making a statement about Dylan.
http://kdvr.com/2012/11/27/authorities-call-off-search-for-dylan-redwine-investigation-continues/"He was just 13, learning so many things"
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I know that mom and big brother used the past tense for Dylan first. But they are not the last people to see him. They sent him to Dad's and then he went missing.
 
  • #251
I agree it is strange for all 3 of them to talk about him in the past tense, but I've also seen this often. I think in their hearts and minds they know that the longer he's gone the more unlikely it is he's going to come home :(
 
  • #252
I think ER & CR *know* that Dylan is gone. They feel certain he would have contacted them if he could and they know what MR is capable of.




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I think you would have to be a dreamer not to feel or think he is gone after that lenth of time whether you had anything to do with it or not. jmo
 
  • #253
I know that mom and big brother used the past tense for Dylan first. But they are not the last people to see him. They sent him to Dad's and then he went missing.

I first made that comment a couple days ago (before I listened to the video and decided I like the tunnel people) and it has just got drug from thread to thread.


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  • #254
Where has it been stated in MSM that Dylan went to sleep @ 8:00 pm Sunday?

On Nancy Grace, in the transcript, a family friend of Mark Redwines, said that Mark told her that Dylan went right to sleep as soon as they got back home.
 
  • #255
I agree, I think Mom and Cory's referring to Dylan in the past tense is at least partly because by the time they made those statements, for whatever reason(s), they had lost most of their hope that Dylan is ok.
 
  • #256
it's a man thing - rite of passage or something - a son arguing with dad to prove he is a "man", etc...

hard for us women to understand....:waitasec:

We raised 3 sons....never, ever came close to physical fighting. Can't even imagine such a thing. None of my sons had to "prove" something to their dad.
 
  • #257
We raised 3 sons....never, ever came close to physical fighting. Can't even imagine such a thing. None of my sons had to "prove" something to their dad.

I believe she was referring to father/son arguments. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong score.
 
  • #258
I hate to keep sounding like MR's low rent public defender, but here I go again. First, the vigil was about 10 days after he disappeared, so it's really pretty understandable that MR and CR would slip into past tense at times and present tense at others; I've been wondering how much of what they said was included in the video, I'm sure everything had to be edited some to keep it a reasonable length. I'm sure they're both trying to be optimistic, but having a hard time staying that way by now. I also find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that MR has a violent temper and hasn't been in trouble for it in the 52(?) years he's been around. If he had been, I have no doubt we would have been reading about any charges that had been made against him (even if they were dropped or he was found not guilty). The press loves that stuff, and I'm sure LE checked it out early in the investigation.
 
  • #259
Sending prayers that Dylan will be home soon and those pictures can be taken! Also praying for his Grandma! (lost my father to cancer just 6 weeks ago)

Thank you for finding us!
I'm so sorry LadyBug, I lost my Dad that way as well. *Hugs*
 
  • #260
For me, there are 4 seperate time blocks that need to be explained and accounted for seperately to begin to know what happened. We're not going to solve it here, but I think looking at it this way may put it into perspective.

1) 6-8pm Sunday

Dylan's plane lands, he arrives in Durango. Assume he is in fact picked up by dad (should be airport/flight policy).
What time did the flight land (airline should be able to get exact on this)?
Is there any footage in /outside of airport to confirm this?
What did Dylan have with him? Backpack, cell, charger, and the clothes he was wearing-- that much we know.
Did he have another piece of luggage?
Dylan texted mom that he arrived safely in Durango, text had scowly face. What exact time was this? Is LE certain this was Dylan who texted? What other specific communication did Dylan have that evening, with who, and what form? Who initiated it, what was said, what plans were made, how solidified were they, what was last said?
We believe he went grocery shopping w/dad to get food for the week -- where did they go shopping? Walmart? Has that been confirmed? How was it confirmed? Receipts? Credit card? Surveillance? Eye witnesses?
How long were they in the grocery store?
Is there any photo/video surveillance of dad's vehicle supposedly with Dad and Dylan in it on route back home from airport? Either from businesses, residents, traffic cams, etc.
What time does dad say they arrived home? Does dad have anything to potentially confirm this time of arrival?
Where were they at 8pm? When asked directly, where does dad say he and Dylan were at 8pm? Were they still driving, were they already at home? Was Dylan in bed, were they eating dinner, watching TV?
Where did Dylan's cell last ping at 8pm when it was last active? At dad's home? On the road? Somewhere else? What does dad have to say about Dylan's phone that evening/night? Did he take the cell away? Does he say there's no cell service? Did he notice Dylan turn the phone off? Could Dylan have dropped it outside in the driveway and lost it?
... I could go on but I'll spare you all... feel free to add if you want though..


2) 8pm - 7:30AM

What happened during these 11 1/2 hours? Perhaps the hardest to explain and our answer may well lie here.
Did Dylan make it to dad's house?
Did Dylan's backpack, cell, charger, and other items make it to dad's house?
What time did Dylan go to sleep? What time did Dad go to sleep? Did dad ever leave the house that night? Can anyone or anything confirm or place dad remaining at the house all night? Or place him leaving the house, out on the road, in town, anywhere but at home during these hours.
Was the home phone used?
Did Dad actually see Dylan at all, confirmed, alive during this time?
Where was Dylan's cell, why was it off or not working?
Basically... WTH happened during this time?

3) 7:30am - 11:30am

Dad goes to do errands. It's confirmed that he went to see his divorce atty. Was this planned in advance. If so, how far?
Did he make this appointment last minute? How long was he there-- was this his only appointment or did he have other errands?
Can the entire time he was supposedly out be accounted for or is there some unexplained time?
Did he have a cell phone and if so did he use it while he was out? Who did he call? Did his cell pings verify his whereabouts for that morning.
What do we know about Dylan during this time?
Are there any signs of break -in at dad's house?
Anything whatsoever to indicate outside foul play?
Anything to suggest someone familiar might've stopped by and Dylan willingly left but this turned sinister (ie.. different set of tire tracks)?
What was missing from the house, what's still there? Any sign(s) of what Dylan did that morning... breakfast, shower, trash? Any DNA traces- blood (from cuts? harm?), hair, etc.?


4) 11:30am - 4:30pm

What time did dad get home? How long did it take him to realize Dylan was missing?
When did he realize the fishing pole was missing, or did he, was that even a real concern that day?
What was the exact sequence of events for him.... who did he call, in what order, and what did he say to each, what questions did he ask, what information did he give, was he panicked, did he suggest calling LE or did Dylan's mom? What did he say on the 911 call?
Did he go searching through Dylan's things, if they were there?
Did he search around the house, yard, neighborhood, town, lake?
Can he be accounted for from the time he "got home" until the time he reported Dylan missing and was physically with LE? Aside from the time he was physically with Dylan's friends asking them where Dylan was?


I can see LE breaking down these initial 22 hours into these blocks because I think they each hold significant answers.

Updated -- If anyone wants to tack on questions under any timeframe, we can use this as a central collection.. if that will help?

Alas, I have no answers... just a prayer.
 
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