CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #5

[Linda7NJ]

But neither Lunsford nor Smart came off as detached or dispassionate. I never suspected Mark Lunsford but I have to admit I had suspicions about his father.
It was hard to believe someone could have snuck inside in the middle of the night like that. Jessica' L's case still haunts me to this day. :rose: BlessHerHeart.

For me personally it is the specific circumstances and details of this sad case that are making me look twice at Dad. Not his persona or his voice, or even his use of the past tense. Just the timing of events and the way it unfolded, seemed to point towards him.

I would agree, based on what we THINK we know it doesn't look good for dad. Statistically he's looking good for it. But in an effort to be totally fair and unbiased. The reality is .....we don't know much of anything!!!




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[Bravo]

So very sorry Linda:hug:

 

[Amster]

We almost need a Kevin Torres thread downstairs lol

yes...please

 

[tiredblondy]

I would love to know if the first words he said to Dylan's mother when he called her was " Did you come get Dylan?or Have you heard anything from Dylan?" That's what I'd like to know.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Speaking from my own personal experience, I only played the "if only" game when I was alone. I stayed on auto pilot through much of the police interviews. Honestly, I was on auto pilot for a few months. I had to hold it together. It wasn't till things calmed waaaay down that I totally broke down. Thankfully the district attorney told me on day one to keep a diary and document everything. When something so traumatic happens you'd be surprised at the huge gaps in memory even a year later,

( my child was not abducted or missing, he was the victim of a violent crime)


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Im so sorry Linda that your son was a victim of a violent crime.

I think that is a mama's thing anyway. We always have a way of beating ourselves up with guilt about anything that pertains to our children even when it isnt warranted.

I dont think fathers would verbally say that in the media but Im sure it has crossed his mind. He seemed to look tired to me in the video.

IMO

 

[gryphon]

I live in that area during the summertime. And have been to Vallecito many times. It is a very small community way back in the Mountains. It is nestled between two mountain ranges and I have never had cell phone service while there. Unless something has changed which i doubt - none, nada, zilch. You loose service as soon as you leave the Bayfield area. Scanty service between Bayfield and Durango on 160. And it is gone again once you leave Durango on Florida Rd/240. If the phone was shut off at 8pm sunday eve and not turned back on it was because of no service. If Dylan attempted to walk towards Bayfield he would not have been texting, again no service. Unless dad had wifi on his computer there would be no signal to text. Bayfield, Vallecito and durango are in the same land line area. Covers quite a few miles east and west. ATT says that a cell works where I live out there saying the area is covered but there is absolutely no cell phone service at my home.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I would love to know if the first words he said to Dylan's mother when he called her was " Did you come get Dylan?or Have you heard anything from Dylan?" That's what I'd like to know.

That's an excellent question!!!!


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[margarita25]

Holy cow. I'm watching this video and my memory is suddenly being jogged about an experience way back when, way down south...The memory is unfolding as I speak (hence all the edits, just trying to be as clear as possible).
<sidenote: the word hence, is not used very often, but that's a whoooole nother story >

About , maybe 10+? years ago, my gf, her husband, son and daughter had a house out in the country. It looked just like this house, Dylan's dad's house, that I'm looking at now in this video.

In the early morning, the little boy asks the mom (I'm very close friends with both parents so this was told to me firsthand), "Who is the strange man in bed asleep with <insert name, referring to little sister>?"


My friend says, "Whaaaaaaaaaat!!!!!!" and runs to the master bedroom & grabs her husband. The husband grabs his gun, goes upstairs.....

He walks into his daughter's bedroom and finds a man sound asleep (no , true story, I swear), in the bed...some stranger next to his daughter, who is also sound asleep.

My friends get their daughter to safety and hold him at gunpoint til the cops get there.

Come to find out, in a nutshell, what had happened was, this guy was driving drunk in the middle of the night, rounded the corner at high speed, crashed his car, stumbled to the closest house, found his way in easily through the front door, walked upstairs and just crashed out in the bed (where "Jane" was sleeping)... The daughter absolutely swears swears swears nothing happened...

back to Dylan

 

[Linda7NJ]

Im so sorry Linda that your son was a victim of a violent crime.

I think that is a mama's thing anyway. We always have a way of beating ourselves up with guilt about anything that pertains to our children even when it isnt warranted.

I dont think fathers would verbally say that in the media but Im sure it has crossed his mind. He seemed to look tired to me in the video.

IMO

I agree, he looked exhausted and traumatized to me too.

Yeah took 6 months of therapy and EMDR therapy for me to stop playing the " if only" game every night! Between the nightmares and the "if only" game it's truly a miracle I didn't go completely insane.


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[AlexisFresca]

Speaking from my own personal experience, I only played the "if only" game when I was alone. I stayed on auto pilot through much of the police interviews. Honestly, I was on auto pilot for a few months. I had to hold it together. It wasn't till things calmed waaaay down that I totally broke down. Thankfully the district attorney told me on day one to keep a diary and document everything. When something so traumatic happens you'd be surprised at the huge gaps in memory even a year later,

( my child was not abducted or missing, he was the victim of a violent crime)


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LindaNJ, I'm so sorry to hear of your loss, especially in such a manner. Thank you for opening up and sharing part of your experience. I just can't imagine! They say men and women react differently, so I guess its fair of me to say that the 'what if' might not even enter a man's mind.

Its also very interesting that you bring up gaps in memory even a year later. I'd hate to be in MR and ER shoes, because I have memory problems and can't remember something from a mere few hours ago. Can't imagine with a missing child!

 

[Linda7NJ]

Holy cow. I'm watching this video and my memory is suddenly jogged about an experience way back when, way out down south...true story, I swear!

About , maybe 10? years ago, my gf, her husband, son and daughter had a house out in the country. It looked just like this house I'm looking at now.

In the early morning, the little boy asks the mom (my bff) "who is the guy in bed with <insert name, referring to little sister>"


My friend says, whaaaaaaaaaat!!!! Runs to the master bedroom & grabs her husband. The husband grabs his gun, goes upstairs.....

Sound asleep (no , true story, I swear), is a man next to his daughter.

Come to find out, in a nutshell, what had happened was, this guy was driving drunk, crashed his car, found the closest house, found his way in easily through the front door, walked upstairs and crashed out in the bed (where "Jane" was sleeping)... The daughter absolutely swears swears swears nothing happened...

back to Dylan

He was a very lucky drunk! I think I would have shot him dead! No questions asked!


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[katydid23]

Well, I tend to agree with him on how Dylan's case has been handled. More should have been done initially for sure.

I am not sure about that. I will go and try to find the links, but I found some yesterday for Sarx, to look at the record of the scent trails and service dogs, and LE seemed to be pretty on top of it. They began searching immediately
and went throughout the night on Monday and Tuesday. TUesday daytime there were 200 volunteers in all of the abandoned homes and sheds and outbuildings and they began searching the reservoir and dam area. So I think LE took his disappearance very seriously and went hard. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Unfortunately, we don't have the ability to hear his 911 call to LE and have no idea what he told them. LE can only begin their starting point based on what MR tells them initially.

MR saw the friends before they were interviewed by LE and they were the ones who mentioned hitchhiking. Did he put that idea into their minds or is that actual fact?

Another thing that bothers me, is that when ER wondered if MR did something to 'remove Dylan from the situation' he said she was 'making more of it than need be'. Really? Her son is missing - YOUR son is missing, MR! This is not a misplaced ipod that can resurface when you least expect it.

The family tried to text him and he would not respond. Media tried to contact him and his phone rang and rang and rang. He never complained to the media until now he felt LE was going about it all wrong.

We just don't know because we only have his version of what he tells us. We don't know what was said or done 'behind the scenes' outside talking to LE, like the errands and so on. We only have his word and nothing else to support it either way.


:sigh:


p.s. btw, anyone else find it interesting he hasn't said things like, 'if only I had just made him go with me', 'if only i had this' or 'of only i had that' and so on then he would still be here and not missing.

BBM

And in the same token we only have a one sided version of the story being told by the mom.

So I will believe LE only and statements made by them. We do know that Sgt. Bender said they have confirmed his whereabouts that morning. So he told them where he went and it turned out to be true.

I dont want to cast aspersions on the mom but no matter how dire the situation is she doesnt have a right to accuse anyone of harming her child...even her ex... unless she has proof of it. It only brings more stress into an already stressful situation.

She needs to let LE do their job. They are the ones who will find out who harmed Dylan and they will have the evidence needed to prove it BEFORE they come out and say it.

 

[SmoothOperator]

I know that its been said that the divorce and split has been years ago and that any negativity from that should have long since died down..but what needs to be remembered is that there is a significant change that has recently occurred with the issue of custody..and while I know some people are of the opinion that the custody issue goes no further than just being a technical necessity thru the courts due to the mother moving with their one minor child 5 hours away.. Imo I have had a bit of a different opinion of this matter and Now that we have MSM validating that there is a domestic violence issue involved as well.. Well I'm just going to put out there in theory what I personally believe is at the heart of this entire matter and sadly why I believe Dylan is no longer here.. Its jmo, tho..

The mother went before the court a couple of months back seeking to have their joint and shared custody of their one minor son, changed to the mother having sole custody..primary custody.. IMO the way this court decision came about set off a rage within this father.. The father had to go back to court after the mom's having the change of custody JUST TO HAVE A VISITATION SCHEDULE SET UP..this battle is what set in motion where we are today..whether for valid reasons or not IMO mom's having changed the custody to her having full custody of Dylan with no visitation schedule for the father ..this ENRAGED this father.. I believe that what is at the heart of this matter is an angry vengence between two ex spouses.. I believe that when the father went back to court to readjust the newly court ordered full custody to mom..to as of Sept his being awarded a visitation schedule BEGINNING WITH THE FIRST VISIT TO HAVE BEGUN ON NOV 18TH FOR A WEEK VISIT ..that was done out of pure anger(again whether or not there was a valid reason for that anger IMO IS IRRELEVANT)..IMO the fact is this IMO set off vengeful anger of this man towards his ex-wife..

IMO Dylan's being gone is an absolute direct result of that bitter, vengeful anger that this ex-husband has for his ex-wife.. I will not go any further or make accusations of what possibly he did or didn't do to Dylan.. But I will add that per the admin of the FindDylan Facebook its a known fact that this father prior to the move/court ordered change of custody from joint to full custody of Dylan to his mother, prior to that when they did live in the same town, and did share custody that the father did not keep up a relationship with Dylan.. IMO this only further lending credence to the possibility that the entire motive for the dad going in and having this visitation court ordered was out of enraged anger toward the mother/ex-wife..rather than for a dedicated relationship of a father to his son..jmo, tho..

IMO the war that's been waged and raged between this ex-husband and ex-wife is the sole reason for why Dylan is no longer here.. Jmo. And I wish I was wrong and maybe I am wrong only time will tell but IMO this is what IMO is at the very heart of the matter and exactly when this whole nightmare was originally set in motion months ago..not days or weeks ago..months ago..

All jmo and nada damn thing more...

 

[Linda7NJ]

LindaNJ, I'm so sorry to hear of your loss, especially in such a manner. Thank you for opening up and sharing part of your experience. I just can't imagine! They say men and women react differently, so I guess its fair of me to say that the 'what if' might not even enter a man's mind.

Its also very interesting that you bring up gaps in memory even a year later. I'd hate to be in MR and ER shoes, because I have memory problems and can't remember something from a mere few hours ago. Can't imagine with a missing child!

My child isn't dead, I apologize if I mislead anyone. He's fully recovered it was 10 years ago!

Memory is an amazing complex thing and the brain / psyche whatever ya call it is truly wonderious in the way it will protect you by suppressing things till you can process them later.

I would be more suspicious if someone's story was told exactly the same, every time it's told.


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[Seajay]

I live in that area during the summertime. And have been to Vallecito many times. It is a very small community way back in the Mountains. It is nestled between two mountain ranges and I have never had cell phone service while there. Unless something has changed which i doubt - none, nada, zilch. You loose service as soon as you leave the Bayfield area. Scanty service between Bayfield and Durango on 160. And it is gone again once you leave Durango on Florida Rd/240. If the phone was shut off at 8pm sunday eve and not turned back on it was because of no service. If Dylan attempted to walk towards Bayfield he would not have been texting, again no service. Unless dad had wifi on his computer there would be no signal to text. Bayfield, Vallecito and durango are in the same land line area. Covers quite a few miles east and west. ATT says that a cell works where I live out there saying the area is covered but there is absolutely no cell phone service at my home.

Thank you. That's what I've been saying all along. Yet I see more nefarious situations for something that is really rather simple. No cell service in mountainous areas. Just like the kids were out of school for the Thanksgiving holiday.

 

[SuziQ]

I thought dad figured the fishing pole was important as a clue where to search. Like at a place where Dylan liked to fish and any water fairly close where he might fish. I don't understand the thinking that there is something sinister about dad's emphasizing the missing fishing rod.

But dad was adamant a lake 4 miles away be searched. Why? Dylan could have fished practically in his own backyard.

 

[Confusion]

I am not sure about that. I will go and try to find the links, but I found some yesterday for Sarx, to look at the record of the scent trails and service dogs, and LE seemed to be pretty on top of it. They began searching immediately
and went throughout the night on Monday and Tuesday. TUesday daytime there were 200 volunteers in all of the abandoned homes and sheds and outbuildings and they began searching the reservoir and dam area. So I think LE took his disappearance very seriously and went hard. JMO

I think the problem with the dogs then was that they didn't have anything with his scent on it in the beginning, which was obviously not LE's fault. They said the dog(s) picked up something by the house, I think it was at the end of the driveway, but they didn't know if it was Dylan's scent with nothing to use. I don't remember hearing if they tried it again once ER brought something from home to use.

 

[mck16]

To get some things clear in my mind I am wondering where Dylan and his mother lived before they moved Colorado City. Did they live in the same area the father lives in now? Is the house the father lives in the house the family lived in before the divorce? I am getting all towns and areas mixed up. Thanks for any help with this info. jmo

 

[shefner]

Mark Redwine......Just in case anyone needs to know.

This is the dad's name.