CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #50

[rebeccaeee]

Mark may want the public to know, but he might not know about it. If LE didn't tell him, there would be no record of a local call on his bill.

Dylan was texting on his cell phone, and he did have his charger, but if the landline phone rang - let's say after MR went to bed or in the morning after he left - Dylan would most likely have answered it, and he couldn't use his cell phone to do that.

Just explaining some of the questions that go through my mind on this, and keep me wondering about it, and unable to come to a definite conclusion about it without a statement from LE to confirm it.

:cow:

I'd be very interested to know if MR called his own land line on Monday morning while he was out running errands. He says he texted or called Dylan's cell but, if I were a parent with a kid home alone and I didn't get an answer on the cell, I'd probably try the land line.

I'd like to hear from LE about a LOT of things including the land line records.

 

[rosesfromangels]

So do most of the board members feel that he is deceased or do some hold out hope that the father has stashed him somewhere with a friend or a family member...or something like that. Why Kill him? He just lost him. This could be good news; and hopeful news that he is alive not deceased. If he lost him forever; (basically) in custody and by living so far apart, why kill him? I need better Motivation in this case. To understand or think him dead at this point. Like in Kyron's case.

Hi Cherry. Gee for a bird, you type pretty well! ; )

Motive. In the case of Dylan Redwine, I would say "revenge". The exwife had seemingly trumped the husband many times over in the divorce proceedings. *IF* LE identifies MR as a POI or suspect, emphasis on *IF*...I would say it's all about revenge. A very powerful emotion.

 

[Crosby87]

I'm not sure this is so important as IIRC LE have already confirmed that Dylan was at MR's place haven't they? Just wanting to clarify that the movie would have been a disk, not a tape, and as such they are handled differently. IMO most people pick them up by the edges, or edge and center hole - so perhaps not such a good source of prints. IMO it's also likely that the disk was just left in the player after it finished.

LE didn't know if Dylan made it to Mark's house but awhile ago they confirmed he was there but they didn't say how they know this.

Is a store bought movie covered in plastic and in some kind of case? If Dylan handled the case and disk after the plastic was removed, his fingerprints would be on the case or jacket.

 

[Crosby87]

I don't think it's so important who touched the movie, but I think the movie was playing in the background while something BAD was happening. I feel physically ill when I listen to that portion of the MB uncut interview with MR.

"the movie we would (and right here I thoroughly believe he caught himself from saying 'would've', which is why he stumbled through the rest of the diatribe) watch that night...you know...when we were together...and...you know...

Plus why not just say "the movie we watched"??? I looked for other instances of the future tense speaking in this interview and couldn't find it.

Then goes on to say "I remember the movie being finished." Who says this??? Unless the ending of the movie signified something important?

"..taking care of a few things you know over here at the kitchen table while we were doing that, you know..." You and Dylan were doing WHAT??

Yep I think the movie was extremely important to MR, but not so much whose fingerprints might be on it.

Lordeebee I noticed that too. I thought he was about to slip and admit something happened to Dylan Sunday night but he caught himself in time.

Dylan and Mark weren't in Walmart very long.

Mark said he was pacing the floor and then he got up. How do you pace the floor sitting down?

 

[The Cheese]

3 girls - 14, 16, and 20 - abducted 10 years ago were just found, all abducted by the same guy, all kept in the same house. They finally escaped from the house, and called 911. Amanda Berry, Georgina DeJesus, and Michelle Knight.

The woman across the street had seen them over the years, but had never seen their picture or missing person flyers, so didn't recognize them.

It's so important that these long term missing children are looked for alive, by giving out their flyers to as many people as possible.

Please print some of Dylan's flyers, and pass them out. If he's out there alive, he needs to be found.

Thanks.

 

[song22]

I have not been posting, as I just don't have anything to add. But I still follow and pray for Dylan and everyone who loves him and holds him dear.

There is one thing I just feel like commenting on. I often hear people say for a person to be held captive or to be a victim of sex trafficking is a fate worse than death. I know what people mean, and I know it comes from a place of deep compassion and horror at what that experience must be like. But I also think about so many victims around the world of intense, horrific circumstances who have SURVIVED. I volunteered in Bosnia during the war where women and girls were held captive and raped repeatedly. I think of people who survived the Holocaust and other genocides. There is something so courageous and indefatigable about the human spirit and the will to survive.

I guess I also worry sometimes or feel uncomfortable about the idea that a person may be better off dead than to have experienced trauma, even atrocity and survived. I know people don't mean that at all but I wonder if it plays into survivors feelings of being permanently damaged--especially in sex abuse cases where children may feel like they are permanently tainted for the rest of their lives. This was a big deal in Bosnia where because of cultural issues many women and girls were considered "dishonored" or "ruined" . That's not so much an issue here in the U.S., but I wonder if we subconsciously kind of think in a similar way. I had a pediatrician who went on to be a forensic doc in child sex abuse cases. She said one of the things she did was try to empower children by saying "you are going to be OK. You are going to heal." She didn't mean it in a cliched, cavalier way--she meant it as hope.

I'm not meaning to be disparaging or criticize anyone for their point of view. I just wanted to throw it out there as another perspective. I've just seen it a lot and wanted to express what I was thinking. I hope I don't make anyone feel bad, as again, I do understand what people mean. JMO

 

[Seajay]

Anything is possible. These three girls were found after years of being missing. 10 years for one of them, 13 years for another. This is my hope for Dylan, that he is still alive.

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/lo...ens-Amanda-Berry-and-Gina-DeJesus-found-alive

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...d-alive-after-being-missing-for-a-decade?lite

 

[Crosby87]

So do most of the board members feel that he is deceased or do some hold out hope that the father has stashed him somewhere with a friend or a family member...or something like that. Why Kill him? He just lost him. This could be good news; and hopeful news that he is alive not deceased. If he lost him forever; (basically) in custody and by living so far apart, why kill him? I need better Motivation in this case. To understand or think him dead at this point. Like in Kyron's case.

Before Dylan’s custody hearing on September 21st 2012, Mark and Elaine shared joint custody of Dylan. At the hearing which Dylan attended, the Judge awarded Elaine primary custody of Dylan so Mark lost custody of Dylan and Elaine said Mark was upset over this. Although Mark could appeal the Judge’s ruling, it would be futile. The next time Dylan went to see his father in November on a court ordered visitation, he vanished.

Even though the couple divorced in 2008, Mark mentioned in his interview with MB that he saw his lawyer on Monday morning, the day after Dylan arrived, concerning the papers they had filed about the divorce so it wasn’t over yet.

During Mark’s interview with MB, he said his son wasn’t responding to his text messages he sent him after his mother moved him to Colorado Springs because the environment he was living in wasn’t conductive for that and he said he didn’t like the school his son attended there because they didn’t allow him to participate in the football program.

Mark also said there were long standing problems between him and his ex-wife because of Dylan.

 

[azgrandma]

I have not been posting, as I just don't have anything to add. But I still follow and pray for Dylan and everyone who loves him and holds him dear.

There is one thing I just feel like commenting on. I often hear people say for a person to be held captive or to be a victim of sex trafficking is a fate worse than death. I know what people mean, and I know it comes from a place of deep compassion and horror at what that experience must be like. But I also think about so many victims around the world of intense, horrific circumstances who have SURVIVED. I volunteered in Bosnia during the war where women and girls were held captive and raped repeatedly. I think of people who survived the Holocaust and other genocides. There is something so courageous and indefatigable about the human spirit and the will to survive.

I guess I also worry sometimes or feel uncomfortable about the idea that a person may be better off dead than to have experienced trauma, even atrocity and survived. I know people don't mean that at all but I wonder if it plays into survivors feelings of being permanently damaged--especially in sex abuse cases where children may feel like they are permanently tainted for the rest of their lives. This was a big deal in Bosnia where because of cultural issues many women and girls were considered "dishonored" or "ruined" . That's not so much an issue here in the U.S., but I wonder if we subconsciously kind of think in a similar way. I had a pediatrician who went on to be a forensic doc in child sex abuse cases. She said one of the things she did was try to empower children by saying "you are going to be OK. You are going to heal." She didn't mean it in a cliched, cavalier way--she meant it as hope.

I'm not meaning to be disparaging or criticize anyone for their point of view. I just wanted to throw it out there as another perspective. I've just seen it a lot and wanted to express what I was thinking. I hope I don't make anyone feel bad, as again, I do understand what people mean. JMO

That was one of the most powerful comments I have read in a long long time. I thank you for sharing your insight. I have wondered, am I watching too much Criminal Minds, or TruTv lately. I do believe that the most beneficial tool you can give to anyone that has survived any type of abuse is power. By allowing them to speak freely and on their terms, without judgement, without having to dignify their comments, without belittlement, that gives them power. I can't imagine what the people you have dealt with have experienced in their lives, but I can say that reading your comment, it seems as if they had a wonderful person in their corner which is invaluable.

 

[catswhiskers]

Anything is possible. These three girls were found after years of being missing. 10 years for one of them, 13 years for another. This is my hope for Dylan, that he is still alive.

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/lo...ens-Amanda-Berry-and-Gina-DeJesus-found-alive

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...d-alive-after-being-missing-for-a-decade?lite

This is wonderful - it's even made the news over here. In the absence of any information to the contrary, there has to still be hope for Dylan.


“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
Stephen Hawking

 

[catswhiskers]

3 girls - 14, 16, and 20 - abducted 10 years ago were just found, all abducted by the same guy, all kept in the same house. They finally escaped from the house, and called 911. Amanda Berry, Georgina DeJesus, and Michelle Knight.

The woman across the street had seen them over the years, but had never seen their picture or missing person flyers, so didn't recognize them.

It's so important that these long term missing children are looked for alive, by giving out their flyers to as many people as possible.

Please print some of Dylan's flyers, and pass them out. If he's out there alive, he needs to be found.

Thanks.

I can't multi-quote at the best of times, and am on the ipad now so I have no hope. I think your post The Cheese ran perfectly into the next heartfelt post by song22. Many of us have long felt Dylan was the victim of a stranger, or at best acquaintance abduction, and know that keeping hope alive by sharing his poster and info again and again is vital even as time ticks on.
I think as adults we can't bear to even consider what a child would be going through if being held long term by an abductor. As a parent I have often wondered what would be worse - the death of a child, or them being abused by a stranger for whatever length of time. What you have said is right song22 - healing is definitely possible - for parents as well.
You are both on the right track in advocating hope for a positive outcome, with healing to follow.





“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
Stephen Hawking

 

[cluciano63]

I feel like LE is doing Dylan such a disservice, hardly ever coming out to talk about him. It just really bugs me. I know they probably have nothing much to say, but it just seems so cold.

 

[findDylan]

It is with a very heavy and sad heart that I let you know Oma has passed away last night. Elaine and her sisters were there with her as she passed.

 

[catswhiskers]

It is with a very heavy and sad heart that I let you know Oma has passed away last night. Elaine and her sisters were there with her as she passed.

Sorry for your family's loss findDylan - such a sad time for all of you.:rose:

 

[Confusion]

I have not been posting, as I just don't have anything to add. But I still follow and pray for Dylan and everyone who loves him and holds him dear.

There is one thing I just feel like commenting on. I often hear people say for a person to be held captive or to be a victim of sex trafficking is a fate worse than death. I know what people mean, and I know it comes from a place of deep compassion and horror at what that experience must be like. But I also think about so many victims around the world of intense, horrific circumstances who have SURVIVED. I volunteered in Bosnia during the war where women and girls were held captive and raped repeatedly. I think of people who survived the Holocaust and other genocides. There is something so courageous and indefatigable about the human spirit and the will to survive.

I guess I also worry sometimes or feel uncomfortable about the idea that a person may be better off dead than to have experienced trauma, even atrocity and survived. I know people don't mean that at all but I wonder if it plays into survivors feelings of being permanently damaged--especially in sex abuse cases where children may feel like they are permanently tainted for the rest of their lives. This was a big deal in Bosnia where because of cultural issues many women and girls were considered "dishonored" or "ruined" . That's not so much an issue here in the U.S., but I wonder if we subconsciously kind of think in a similar way. I had a pediatrician who went on to be a forensic doc in child sex abuse cases. She said one of the things she did was try to empower children by saying "you are going to be OK. You are going to heal." She didn't mean it in a cliched, cavalier way--she meant it as hope.

I'm not meaning to be disparaging or criticize anyone for their point of view. I just wanted to throw it out there as another perspective. I've just seen it a lot and wanted to express what I was thinking. I hope I don't make anyone feel bad, as again, I do understand what people mean. JMO

I do agree with you to a point, but I'm not sure that everybody can get over the kind of trauma some of these children (and some adults) have gone through. I know it took many years for me to accept the fact that it isn't always more humane to murder your victim after a rape than to force them to deal with it for years. I've never been in a situation like those girls have been, so I can only base my opinions on my own experiences, but I don't believe anyone is ever "healed" after something like that. They may be able to live more or less normal lives, but I don't believe they can ever be made "whole" again. I personally believe that what they really need is a way to channel the feelings they have from it into something constructive; Jaycee Dugard and Elizabeth Smart are perfect examples. MOO

 

[The Cheese]

It is with a very heavy and sad heart that I let you know Oma has passed away last night. Elaine and her sisters were there with her as she passed.

My sincere condolences to Elaine and all Oma's family. It's an especially sad loss with Dylan missing.

 

[azgrandma]

I do agree with you to a point, but I'm not sure that everybody can get over the kind of trauma some of these children (and some adults) have gone through. I know it took many years for me to accept the fact that it isn't always more humane to murder your victim after a rape than to force them to deal with it for years. I've never been in a situation like those girls have been, so I can only base my opinions on my own experiences, but I don't believe anyone is ever "healed" after something like that. They may be able to live more or less normal lives, but I don't believe they can ever be made "whole" again. I personally believe that what they really need is a way to channel the feelings they have from it into something constructive; Jaycee Dugard and Elizabeth Smart are perfect examples. MOO

I believe that people can be completely healed from a traumatic experience. Will they ever forget it? No, I don't think so. But living WITH a traumatic event doesn't make you less whole or less healed than anyone else. I am certain it will change your life forever, put it in an entire different direction. Doesn't any traumatic life event alter the way you approach life?
(you is general)

 

[TxLady2]

I believe that people can be completely healed from a traumatic experience. Will they ever forget it? No, I don't think so. But living WITH a traumatic event doesn't make you less whole or less healed than anyone else. I am certain it will change your life forever, put it in an entire different direction. Doesn't any traumatic life event alter the way you approach life?
(you is general)

I'm sure that a lot of Vietnam veterans as well as people who have been held captive and starved, and/or tortured on a daily basis, possibly disfigured as well, would disagree with you. No disrespect intended but there are some things that are so horrific, it would render anyone incapable of ever being healed. A lot of veterans suffered horrible nightmares every night, many of them lost their minds completely and ended up killing themselves, and some killed other people as well. I've heard and read things that people went through that would literally make one nauseous. Unimaginable things, and I doubt that anyone would be able to just shrug it off and go on with their lives after surviving them.

 

[Confusion]

I'm sure that a lot of Vietnam veterans as well as people who have been held captive and starved, and/or tortured on a daily basis, possibly disfigured as well, would disagree with you. No disrespect intended but there are some things that are so horrific, it would render anyone incapable of ever being healed. A lot of veterans suffered horrible nightmares every night, many of them lost their minds completely and ended up killing themselves, and some killed other people as well. I've heard and read things that people went through that would literally make one nauseous. Unimaginable things, and I doubt that anyone would be able to just shrug it off and go on with their lives after surviving them.

Thanks for coming up with a good example. I think the best way I can think of to explain what I mean is that you can never be what you could have been if the event hadn't happened. The example I thought of was the marathon bombing.

Many people were very seriously wounded, and several lost limbs. As much as I admire the attitudes of some of them, I know their lives have been forever changed. Even with artificial limbs, they can never be made "whole" again. They may learn to function with the new body parts, but whatever they do physically now, I believe they could have done much better, with the same amount of work, if they had never lost any limbs. The emotional scars may not be visible, but they're just as real as the physical scars. Some may go on to great success after a severe trauma, but I don't believe they will ever be the person they were born to be. I also believe (but hope to be wrong) that once the dust settles and reality really sets in, at least one of those victims will decide they can't live with the changes and commit suicide.

I'm not saying that it's not possible to live a good life after a traumatic event, but it takes a lot of serious effort and many bad days to ever get to that point. Many people just aren't up to the challenge. I do believe, though, that there's a much better chance of having a happy life eventually if you're alive than if you're dead!

All MOO

 

[cluciano63]

I find it very difficult to hope/prefer that Dylan is being held and abused by a pervert, RSO, etc.

Whether he could overcome such an ordeal in unknown. Also, there is no guarantee he would be ever be found and rescued while still alive. I doubt such a perp would simply release their victim when they "outgrew" them. I remember reading that one of the boys who was abducted and found, Steven S. maybe?, said he prayed or wished for death.

Also we know how sexual abuse as a child can affect the lives of some victims. Some can move on and find a way to live a fulfilling life, some cannot.

I think the chances of Dylan being hidden by a relative or parent is long past being an option, if it ever really was more than a week or so in.

I am just so discouraged about Dylan, the lack of coverage, lack of media,lack of much of anything. I used to keep his thread open around the clock on my computer. Now I feel like my expectations for news are almost gone. But it is not about me...