CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[Deleted member 39678]

I disagree. I think it is PATHETIC that he blames LE for not issuing an Amber ALert, when he himself came home and took a nap, before looking for his son.

LE made the MISTAKE of listening to Mark and taking HIS LEAD in looking for Dylan. Why put out an Amber Alert when Dad says the fishing pole is missing and Dylan is lost by the lake?

Mark is the one that orchestrated the SEARCH for Dylan in the lake area. And now he faults them for not issuing an Amber Alert, when he himself said he never even considered abduction for the first few days.

I'm not so sure that it was solely Mark's mention of a fishing pole that guided the initial LE investigation. I would hope that LE looked at other possible scenarios because Mark told them that he was gone for several hours and he didn't know where Dylan was. MOO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

And if you listen to his voice, and not the transcript, another clue jumps out. Unlike Elaines voice, Mark's has NO GRIEF, NO SORROW, when he discusses his missing son. Just glib accusations against others and explanations and justifications for his own actions. He sounds very self serving and confident, but no painful GRIEF, none at all.

I wouldn't put too much into comparing how a man's voice is compared to a women's. Unless your talking about some kind of voice analysis which sounds too much like statement analysis. That's all a bunch of baloney to me.

 

[nikb]

Is it normal for U,S schools to go back to school in August or was that because Dylan had moved?


Just in the U,K summer break is from July until about 6th/7th Sept and so i did not know schools went back in Aug.

I know it varies by district but where I am most of the schools go back in August. They used to always start back up the day after Labor Day (so early September), but the districts keep moving the dates earlier and earlier for some reason.

 

[katydid23]

I'm not so sure that it was solely Mark's mention of a fishing pole that guided the initial LE investigation. I would hope that LE looked at other possible scenarios because Mark told them that he was gone for several hours and he didn't know where Dylan was. MOO.

I agree it was not solely Mark's discussion of the pole. But according to locals who posted here previously, local LE is very experienced in SEARCh and RESCUE because it is a camping/hunting/hiking environment. So their first response is going to be that, especially when the father says the fishing pole is missing. NOBODY gets abducted there, but many get lost or injured in the woods. So they are naturally going to get out to the areas he was known to hike and fish around. He could have died if he had fallen into a crevice or was injured in the rocks somewhere. So I am not going to fault them for going with an obvious potential scenario. It was more probable that he went on a hike, than it was that he was abducted, according to statistics.

 

[ColdHands]

I know it varies by district but where I am most of the schools go back in August. They used to always start back up the day after Labor Day (so early September), but the districts keep moving the dates earlier and earlier for some reason.

Per their website, Lewis Palmer Middle School in Monument Colorado started up August 21 last fall. http://lpms.lewispalmer.org/

Politics - lot of older schools in Colorado have been wanting to change the start date to later because of lack of AC in the older buildings.

 

[katydid23]

I wouldn't put too much into comparing how a man's voice is compared to a women's. Unless your talking about some kind of voice analysis which sounds too much like statement analysis. That's all a bunch of baloney to me.

I have heard plenty of men cry or get emotional, over a missing child. Mark is not one of them. JMO

 

[katydid23]

I don't understand, if he blocked them before that how did the other messages get sent. I do see some replies in there that seem to be from the same "thread" of message line.

He blocked her CALLS, not her texts. He would not SPEAK to her.

ETA: Maybe this is impossible. Maybe he just didnt pick up the phone when she called.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I have heard plenty of men cry or get emotional, over a missing child. Mark is not one of them. JMO

Maybe Mark has cried.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

He blocked her CALLS, not her texts. He would not SPEAK to her.

Granted, I have only done business with 2 cell phone companies, but with both of mine, if you blocked a number, you blocked a number. Texts and calls.

 

[caffeinejean]

I, fence sitter extraordinaire, would like everyone to consider the following. If you don’t find it a valid possibility in your theories, feel free to read and reject.

******Conjecture alert on*****
Mark and Dylan may have been arguing about Dylan going to see his friends. Mark may have damaged Dylans phone and/or iPod. The next morning, Mark had no intentions of taking Dylan to see his friends and did not really try to wake Dylan up, instead he passively aggressively moved around making “noise”. Then he left. Dylan wakes up, is super PO’d that his dad left without him and takes off down the road or someone happens by and picks him up. Bad things ensue.

I think the above fits all the requirements, with the exception of Dylan not using the computer (it may have had a password on it he didn’t know) or using the landline (if he had not memorized his friends numbers, the landline would not have been useful).

Now, assuming the above, or something similar, is what happened, Mark’s actions COULD very well be the actions of a person who does not admit that anything they do is wrong, is passive aggressive, is controlling and wants things his way, thinks everyone should pay attention to what he says because it is so important, and is, in general, kind of jerky (IMO). There are a lot of people out there who are jerky, but not killers. Marks actions COULD be the actions of someone who is covering up the fact that he puts his own needs first (he didn’t want to be bothered taking Dylan to Bayfield that morning), got angry with his son and damaged his communication devices, wanted his son to magically want to be with Mark when he didn’t, arrived home later than promised to show Dylan who was in charge, took a nap instead of looking for his son who desperately wanted to go see his friends because Mark didn’t really want to drive to Bayfield anyway, and didn’t notice that the backpack his son arrived with was no longer in the location it was the night before because that wasn't important to him. And he feels guilty and will not admit that anything he did had any bearing on Dylan being missing, because he thinks it will make him look bad and he cannot have that. He has to act like everyone would behave just like he did. And no, finding his son would not come first, looking like it wasn't his fault would come first.

****Conjecture alert off****

I could point to a half dozen people I know who would fit that description above. Making sure everyone knows "It wasn't my fault!" is paramount and more important than anything, including their family. And they aren’t killers, just really self centered, self serving, and selfish people.

I am absolutely not saying this is the ONLY reason why a person might act like Mark does. There may even be some reason that wouldn't make sense to me if someone tried to explain it. But it’s one I have seen time and time again. And one of the reasons why I sit on my fence. Leaning a little to the side.

Thank you for your consideration.

Okay, I'll step back and go with your theory and analysis of what could have happened due to his selfish, self centered and self serving nature (you have described perfectly IMO). But we need to add "Control freak" too as exhibited, and in part inherent to these other horrific behaviors. This is a very mean and retaliatory man, no "love" here except for himself. I think your working theory is most accurate to a point and my addition is an additional conjecture (JMO) also :facepalm:
....Warning Somewhat Graphic....
So to continue your theory, Mark has no intention of taking him to see his friends and DR leaves on his own without any phone or iPod because they were confiscated. He took his backpack with him because he has no intention of returning to MR's house. He's walking toward town to find a phone for help. Could there be a father coming around the bend from errand running. Here is where the really bad things ensue. He throws him in the truck and takes him up Middle Mountain Road to beyond the gate that gets closed for the winter. Here's where he teaches his son a lesson, in respect. He's got the backpack and Dylan to hide in the vast wilderness, under a rock, log or stump. The fishing pole comes later to the lake.

 

[catswhiskers]

I wouldn't put too much into comparing how a man's voice is compared to a women's. Unless your talking about some kind of voice analysis which sounds too much like statement analysis. That's all a bunch of baloney to me.

I'd like to expand on this and wonder if many of us females are also kind of critical because MR doesn't respond or react in the same way we would as mothers.
:moo:


“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
Stephen Hawking

 

[katydid23]

A little off topic but related. I have a password set up with my kids too. So thankful we never had to test it.

http://www.wggb.com/2013/06/07/password-saves-iowa-child-from-attempted-kidnapper/

I agree. And when my kids got a little older, we had another password, where if they texted it to me or said it in conversation, then I was supposed to ' get mad at them, and demand they come home, immediately, even as they argued with me out loud in front of their friends.'

It works great for them if they are in a situation they want to exit from, without
getting peer pressure. They can blame me for being 'mean' and they can safely leave the situation. My daughter did it once from a sleepover, when the mean girls were getting out of control, and another time at a party, when kids were drinking and she was uncomfortable. I knew if she said 'kangaroo' I had to go get her, pronto.

 

[ColdHands]

He blocked her CALLS, not her texts. He would not SPEAK to her.

Is this possible? Does anyone know who MR's cell provider is and I'll try to research.

 

[katydid23]

I'd like to expand on this and wonder if many of us females are also kind of critical because MR doesn't respond or react in the same way we would as mothers.
:moo:


“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
Stephen Hawking

I don't know. My husband was much more lax with our kids in some ways. But if he had prior plans to take our DS somewhere, and DS was not there as planned, and had left no message or note, then my DH would have been concerned. I cannot imagine he would have taken a nap in response. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Is this possible? Does anyone know who MR's cell provider is and I'll try to research.

It is possible if he didn't pick up the phone.

 

[katydid23]

Granted, I have only done business with 2 cell phone companies, but with both of mine, if you blocked a number, you blocked a number. Texts and calls.

So maybe he just didn't pick up the phone when she called.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I'd like to expand on this and wonder if many of us females are also kind of critical because MR doesn't respond or react in the same way we would as mothers.
:moo:


“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
Stephen Hawking

It caught my attention because I'm a man and I know that I will respond differently than a women would under the same circumstances.

That's just the way it is.

 

[ColdHands]

I'd like to expand on this and wonder if many of us females are also kind of critical because MR doesn't respond or react in the same way we would as mothers.
:moo:


“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
Stephen Hawking

I'm female, but I have very controlled emotional responses, so actually an emotional response is hard for me to take for very long. I'm more likely to say, ok, where are we at, what have you done so far, here's what we need to do.

ETA: this may not be a gender difference, but how individuals respond/what their experience with handling issues has been.

 

[katydid23]

Maybe Mark has cried.

I am sure he has. But there is one portion of the interview, where he specifically describes Dylan getting into a car with his kidnapper/killer, and there is no grief, sorrow, emotion in his voice as he discusses it. It gave me pause.

 

[nikb]

Per their website, Lewis Palmer Middle School in Monument Colorado started up August 21 last fall. http://lpms.lewispalmer.org/

Politics - lot of older schools in Colorado have been wanting to change the start date to later because of lack of AC in the older buildings.

Thanks ColdHands.

The politics thing would make sense to me except it's hotter than heck here where I live in August so all they really did was create another month where either the kids roast or the A/C has to be used. I know that's OT for Colorado though. Thanks for finding the specifics for his school.