CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[Psychic Sleuth]

So why is he now saying it took a couple of days to figure that out?

Very good question! My opinion only is he forgot what he already said and was trying to cover for another blunder. Just MOO

As I said before, a minor discrepancy in recalling details after 6 months would be somewhat acceptable-like one statement he said he noticed the backpack gone immediately after arriving home and in another statement he noticed it 10 minutes after arriving home. To me that is close enough to be a consistent statement. But now we've gone from immediately to not until LE asked 1-2 days later? Did he forget what he said because it's a lie? Or because he needs to change his story to cover something else?

A DETAIL LIKE THIS WOULD NOT BE FORGOTTEN BY SOMEONE TELLING THE TRUTH. STORIES DON'T CHANGE THIS DRASTICALLY WHEN TELLING THE TRUTH.

 

[TxJan1971]

Well said Emma. And before someone claims that Mark immediately noticed the fishing pole was gone when he arrived back home, be prepared to provide a link.

Do you have me blocked? I have provided that information.

 

[TxJan1971]

Very good question! My opinion only is he forgot what he already said and was trying to cover for another blunder. Just MOO

As I said before, a minor discrepancy in recalling details after 6 months would be somewhat acceptable-like one statement he said he noticed the backpack gone immediately after arriving home and in another statement he noticed it 10 minutes after arriving home. To me that is close enough to be a consistent statement. But now we've gone from immediately to not until LE asked 1-2 days later? Did he forget what he said because it's a lie? Or because he needs to change his story to cover something else?

A DETAIL LIKE THIS WOULD NOT BE FORGOTTEN BY SOMEONE TELLING THE TRUTH. STORIES DON'T CHANGE THIS DRASTICALLY WHEN TELLING THE TRUTH.

Let's not forget that he went to T's and T hadn't seen him..... to he stopped by T's and nobody answered the door. BIG difference....

 

[katydid23]

Concerning the backpack and MR not noticing right away. Why would he have noticed it missing off the bat? MR didn't immediately think that Dylan had gone to his friends or that Dylan may have ran away. I wonder how many parents have come home for work, there kid wasn't there, didn't find a "runaway note", didn't think their child would ever run away at all, to call in LE and then when asked to see if anything of their child's is missing discover all their teen's things gone? In a few of those interviews he said he thought maybe Dylan just basically went out exploring. If that's what he initially thought, then why would he even look for the backpack. I personally think, in critically thinking about it, that if he had immediately noticed it missing, that would be more suspicious.

BBM

If I came home expecting to pick up my child, who was waiting for a ride, and they were GONE, then I would INVESTIGATE the situation. Especially if they were only 12 yrs old, home alone, and they did not live with me, and had not answered any of my calls/texts from earlier in the day. Those things would make me a bit concerned, and so I would want to find out for sure where they might be headed.

Why would he assume that Dylan was 'out exploring' when that is in conflict with the plans they had already made? Wouldn't that be a good reason to check out whether he took his belongings or not?

 

[Emma Ems]

Well said Emma. And before someone claims that Mark immediately noticed the fishing pole was gone when he arrived back home, be prepared to provide a link.

I don't see how we can really argue this much either. There are missing factors, like where did Dylan put his backpack when they arrived. Did he stow it in a closet? His bedroom? The bathroom? The kitchen? Same with the fishing pole. Where was it located? The reason being, what if it was propped up on a wall next to the fridge? Let's say MR came in, went and got a drink, then went to take a nap. I would say it is very possible that he may have immediately noticed the fishing pole over the backpack. I just think that it's very plausible that MR would not have noticed the backpack until LE asked him about it. I try to think as rationally as I can. Sometimes my kid goes out and plays, runs into friends they hang out, then she decides to stay. MR didn't know what Dylan had done, he could only "guess" as to where Dylan may have been. If he thought he was hanging out somewhere around the house passing time until he MR got back from errands and if it may be usually for Dylan to have seen his friends while "out" or run into one of them at one of his "spots" and just went on with them, then he may not have really considered the that Dylan would have taken the back pack to even think to look for it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Do you have me blocked? I have provided that information.

What are you talking about? You provided information that quotes Mark as saying that he immediately noticed that the fishing pole was gone?

I underlined the word immediately for a reason.

 

[Dee10]

Very good question! My opinion only is he forgot what he already said and was trying to cover for another blunder. Just MOO

As I said before, a minor discrepancy in recalling details after 6 months would be somewhat acceptable-like one statement he said he noticed the backpack gone immediately after arriving home and in another statement he noticed it 10 minutes after arriving home. To me that is close enough to be a consistent statement. But now we've gone from immediately to not until LE asked 1-2 days later? Did he forget what he said because it's a lie? Or because he needs to change his story to cover something else?

A DETAIL LIKE THIS WOULD NOT BE FORGOTTEN BY SOMEONE TELLING THE TRUTH. STORIES DON'T CHANGE THIS DRASTICALLY WHEN TELLING THE TRUTH.

The Devil is in the details.

 

[The Cheese]

So why is he now saying it took a couple of days to figure that out?

He didn't say a couple of days. He didn't say 48 hours. He said "the first day maybe even two".

 

[The Cheese]

"...I wanna say the first day maybe even two before it was determined that yes, his backpack was not here..my only concern was Dylan and what have we got to do to find him…and where is he?"

Yes. Thank you for confirming he didn't say 48 hours.

 

[The Cheese]

Thank you!! That pretty much sums it up.

Not for me. That's a reporter writing. Not MR talking.

 

[katydid23]

Speaking of 'discrepancies' in Mark's stories, I think I have another one.

In my memory bank, I swear that his original story was that he came home and assumed D had gone to see his friends already, so Mark texted him for confirmation, and after waiting awhile with no reply, he went to check with the friends.


But version two: Mark returned, and figured that Dylan was out exploring the campground or the rocks by the river, or the lake, so Mark took a nap and waited for him. Then when he woke up, he decided to go look around by the lake.

[In this new version, when he goes out looking, the Vallecito friend is not home. But in the original version, he talks to the friend, who says he hadn't talked to D, and that is what made him drive to B-town.]

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Concerning the backpack and MR not noticing right away. Why would he have noticed it missing off the bat? MR didn't immediately think that Dylan had gone to his friends or that Dylan may have ran away. I wonder how many parents have come home for work, there kid wasn't there, didn't find a "runaway note", didn't think their child would ever run away at all, to call in LE and then when asked to see if anything of their child's is missing discover all their teen's things gone? In a few of those interviews he said he thought maybe Dylan just basically went out exploring. If that's what he initially thought, then why would he even look for the backpack. I personally think, in critically thinking about it, that if he had immediately noticed it missing, that would be more suspicious.

Several links provided where he did say he noticed it gone immediately.

 

[TxJan1971]

Concerning the backpack and MR not noticing right away. Why would he have noticed it missing off the bat? MR didn't immediately think that Dylan had gone to his friends or that Dylan may have ran away. I wonder how many parents have come home for work, there kid wasn't there, didn't find a "runaway note", didn't think their child would ever run away at all, to call in LE and then when asked to see if anything of their child's is missing discover all their teen's things gone? In a few of those interviews he said he thought maybe Dylan just basically went out exploring. If that's what he initially thought, then why would he even look for the backpack. I personally think, in critically thinking about it, that if he had immediately noticed it missing, that would be more suspicious.

Well said Emma. And before someone claims that Mark immediately noticed the fishing pole was gone when he arrived back home, be prepared to provide a link.

REPOSTING MY PREVIOUS POST

BBM
MR DID know right away. He knew on Monday, 11-19-12 that the backpack/fishing pole were missing per the link and information below. He knew BEFORE DR was reported missing - when he got home from running his errands per the MSM article.

REPOSTED RESPONSE

Katy,
According to MSM article below, MR knew on Monday, November 19th, 2012 at 11:30 a.m. (BEFORE DR WAS REPORTED MISSING) when MR came home from running his errands and noted that the Fishing Pole AND backpack were missing.

12-02-12
When he (MR) returned at 11:30 a.m., he said Dylan was gone, as was his backpack. When he got back at 11:30, his son's dirty cereal bowl was beside the sink. The television was on Nickelodeon. His son's fishing pole was gone. So was his black-and-gray backpack. A few articles of clothing were left behind on the couch."
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder

 

[The Cheese]

Dylan did not live there. He flew in the night before, with all his belongings in a backpack. If your child was visiting, and just arrived with a backpack, and they went missing, would you check to see if they had their pack with them? Wouldn't you wonder in the middle of the night if they had their cellphone and their hoodie with them?

My concentration would be on my child. Not their backpack. So I might not even think of it. I would think someone not as close to my child as I, and therefore not as upset - like friends, other family, and especially LE - would think of their backpack and ask about it.

It's understandable to me *if* MR and ER didn't think of the backpack that first night, but not understandable to me *if* no one else, especially LE, didn't.

:cow:

 

[katydid23]

I don't see how we can really argue this much either. There are missing factors, like where did Dylan put his backpack when they arrived. Did he stow it in a closet? His bedroom? The bathroom? The kitchen? Same with the fishing pole. Where was it located? The reason being, what if it was propped up on a wall next to the fridge? Let's say MR came in, went and got a drink, then went to take a nap. I would say it is very possible that he may have immediately noticed the fishing pole over the backpack. I just think that it's very plausible that MR would not have noticed the backpack until LE asked him about it. I try to think as rationally as I can. Sometimes my kid goes out and plays, runs into friends they hang out, then she decides to stay. MR didn't know what Dylan had done, he could only "guess" as to where Dylan may have been. If he thought he was hanging out somewhere around the house passing time until he MR got back from errands and if it may be usually for Dylan to have seen his friends while "out" or run into one of them at one of his "spots" and just went on with them, then he may not have really considered the that Dylan would have taken the back pack to even think to look for it.

But your kid LIVES WITH YOU. That is a whole different scenario. If your kid had just flown in for a visit the night before, and was missing the next morning when you were expected to pick him up, wouldn't that be worrisome? If everything he owned was in one backpack, wouldn't you want to look and see if he left it or took it?

 

[TxJan1971]

What are you talking about? You provided information that quotes Mark as saying that he immediately noticed that the fishing pole was gone?

I underlined the word immediately for a reason.

The article states 11:30 when he got home. How much more immediate can you get? I did not write the article. It is MSM.

 

[Emma Ems]

Yes. Thank you for confirming he didn't say 48 hours.

You know, I took that whole statement about "when" in the radio show as being, whenever LE asked me about it, it was then. I think there was so much going on that he probably doesn't remember what day LE asked him that question, so he just threw up a guesstimate of the first day or two. The bottom line in it all is that whenever LE asked him about it, that's when he "thought" to look for it. Again, I do think that's probably one of the very first questions they ask when they come to investigate a MP report for a teen. Are their clothes still here? Is anything missing? If so what? If LE didn't ask him til the second day, something is wrong with that picture, IMO.

 

[The Cheese]

Let's not forget that he went to T's and T hadn't seen him..... to he stopped by T's and nobody answered the door. BIG difference....

I find in all these cases nowadays that there is a BIG difference between what people actually say, and what reporters write that they say. It's appalling in straight text, and even more appalling when they write it as a quote, and then you listen to the video, and they even get it dead wrong then!

 

[katydid23]

My concentration would be on my child. Not their backpack. So I might not even think of it. I would think someone not as close to my child as I, and therefore not as upset - like friends, other family, and especially LE - would think of their backpack and ask about it.

It's understandable to me *if* MR and ER didn't think of the backpack that first night, but not understandable to me *if* no one else, especially LE, didn't.

:cow:

Of course your concentration would be on your child. All of your concentration. And you would be going through all of the possibilities in your head, about where your missing child might have gone, right? Did they go outside for a breath of fresh air, or did they get a ride to Bayfield already?

Seems obvious to me that the first thing a parent would do is check to see if their missing kid took their cell, their hoodie and their $ with them or not. JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I don't see how we can really argue this much either. There are missing factors, like where did Dylan put his backpack when they arrived. Did he stow it in a closet? His bedroom? The bathroom? The kitchen? Same with the fishing pole. Where was it located? The reason being, what if it was propped up on a wall next to the fridge? Let's say MR came in, went and got a drink, then went to take a nap. I would say it is very possible that he may have immediately noticed the fishing pole over the backpack. I just think that it's very plausible that MR would not have noticed the backpack until LE asked him about it. I try to think as rationally as I can. Sometimes my kid goes out and plays, runs into friends they hang out, then she decides to stay. MR didn't know what Dylan had done, he could only "guess" as to where Dylan may have been. If he thought he was hanging out somewhere around the house passing time until he MR got back from errands and if it may be usually for Dylan to have seen his friends while "out" or run into one of them at one of his "spots" and just went on with them, then he may not have really considered the that Dylan would have taken the back pack to even think to look for it.

Once again you have done well in your posting. My point about the fishing pole and Marks comments about it is that we don't know exactly when he noticed it missing. Same thing with the backpack. Was it when he first walked in the door? Or was it a bit later after calling out for Dylan and looking around the house for him? Or was it after he woke up from his nap?

I'm sure that LE asked these questions during what I assume were extensive interviews/interrogations. We aren't privy to the answers of those questions. MOO.