CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[Bayou Mistress]

Speaking of 'discrepancies' in Mark's stories, I think I have another one.

In my memory bank, I swear that his original story was that he came home and assumed D had gone to see his friends already, so Mark texted him for confirmation, and after waiting awhile with no reply, he went to check with the friends.


But version two: Mark returned, and figured that Dylan was out exploring the campground or the rocks by the river, or the lake, so Mark took a nap and waited for him. Then when he woke up, he decided to go look around by the lake.

[In this new version, when he goes out looking, the Vallecito friend is not home. But in the original version, he talks to the friend, who says he hadn't talked to D, and that is what made him drive to B-town.]

Would you agree, Katydid, that the real discrepancies would be during the interviews held with MR generously hosted by the task force of made up of local and federal agencies and not in media clips? For instance, after being asked for the 12th time by the seasoned and skilled interviewers, that they would have pushed and prodded and exposed any and all discrepancies. It's not like he MR said he went to Bayfield and then was picked up on camera in Durango.......now that is a serious discrepancy. Getting your son's friend's name wrong is really rather minor.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

He didn't say a couple of days. He didn't say 48 hours. He said "the first day maybe even two".

First day maybe even two is the same as immediately?

 

[katydid23]

Yes. Thank you for confirming he didn't say 48 hours.

He said 24 TO 48.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Not for me. That's a reporter writing. Not MR talking.

Huh? I thought we here at WS consider MSM as a reliable source? We either do or we don't. We can't pick and choose which MSM statements we accept and which we don't. We do or we don't.

 

[Emma Ems]

REPOSTING MY PREVIOUS POST

BBM
MR DID know right away. He knew on Monday, 11-19-12 that the backpack/fishing pole were missing per the link and information below. He knew BEFORE DR was reported missing - when he got home from running his errands per the MSM article.

REPOSTED RESPONSE

Katy,
According to MSM article below, MR knew on Monday, November 19th, 2012 at 11:30 a.m. (BEFORE DR WAS REPORTED MISSING) when MR came home from running his errands and noted that the Fishing Pole AND backpack were missing.

12-02-12
When he (MR) returned at 11:30 a.m., he said Dylan was gone, as was his backpack. When he got back at 11:30, his son's dirty cereal bowl was beside the sink. The television was on Nickelodeon. His son's fishing pole was gone. So was his black-and-gray backpack. A few articles of clothing were left behind on the couch."
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder

The only problem is this are summaries written up by a reporter. Not his exact quoted words. It's written like an intro to a "novel" almost. Some details get jumbled up because exact times cannot be attributed for them so they tend to summarize it all up into a lump time frame.

 

[The Cheese]

Speaking of 'discrepancies' in Mark's stories, I think I have another one.

In my memory bank, I swear that his original story was that he came home and assumed D had gone to see his friends already, so Mark texted him for confirmation, and after waiting awhile with no reply, he went to check with the friends.


But version two: Mark returned, and figured that Dylan was out exploring the campground or the rocks by the river, or the lake, so Mark took a nap and waited for him. Then when he woke up, he decided to go look around by the lake.

[In this new version, when he goes out looking, the Vallecito friend is not home. But in the original version, he talks to the friend, who says he hadn't talked to D, and that is what made him drive to B-town.]

So now we're going to compare what Mark said (or what a reporter wrote that he said) to something we think we remember he said.

This is getting sillier by the minute.

Do you have a link to Mark saying he texted Dylan after he got home? I don't ever recall seeing that. I guess it's futile to ask.

 

[The Cheese]

REPOSTING MY PREVIOUS POST

BBM
MR DID know right away. He knew on Monday, 11-19-12 that the backpack/fishing pole were missing per the link and information below. He knew BEFORE DR was reported missing - when he got home from running his errands per the MSM article.

REPOSTED RESPONSE

Katy,
According to MSM article below, MR knew on Monday, November 19th, 2012 at 11:30 a.m. (BEFORE DR WAS REPORTED MISSING) when MR came home from running his errands and noted that the Fishing Pole AND backpack were missing.

12-02-12
When he (MR) returned at 11:30 a.m., he said Dylan was gone, as was his backpack. When he got back at 11:30, his son's dirty cereal bowl was beside the sink. The television was on Nickelodeon. His son's fishing pole was gone. So was his black-and-gray backpack. A few articles of clothing were left behind on the couch."
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder

Thanks. Another one where it's not Mark saying anything, but a reporter writing.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The article states 11:30 when he got home. How much more immediate can you get? I did not write the article. It is MSM.

Yes, that's when he arrived at his house, not when he noticed that the fishing pole was missing. That's two different things. Look at it this way. He didn't immediately do everything single thing that he describes when he walked in the door of his house. It had to take some time. And the order of things could be different as well. MOO.

 

[katydid23]

Would you agree, Katydid, that the real discrepancies would be during the interviews held with MR generously hosted by the task force of made up of local and federal agencies and not in media clips? For instance, after being asked for the 12th time by the seasoned and skilled interviewers, that they would have pushed and prodded and exposed any and all discrepancies. It's not like he MR said he went to Bayfield and then was picked up on camera in Durango.......now that is a serious discrepancy. Getting your son's friend's name wrong is really rather minor.

No, because he is too smart to say he went to Durango if he was really in Bayfield. I don't expect him to mess up like that. But when he tells us two different versions of where he thought Dylan was, when he first saw he was missing----that is a problem, imo.

In one version, he already noticed the pack was gone, so he went and drove by the lake, to see if he was fishing.

versus:

In the latest version, he never thought to see if the pack 3as gone or not, he just assumed D was nearby, exploring, so Dad took a nap.


How do you reconcile those two scenarios?

 

[TxJan1971]

Not for me. That's a reporter writing. Not MR talking.

Cheese,
Unless I'm losing my mind completely, I specifically remember this same conversation previously on one of the previous DR threads where WS'ers argued/discussed that MR was standing in the front of his house and there were various MR quotes throughout the article and that folks tended to feel that this was an MR specific interview/MSM article. Even the title indicates this: With Dylan Redwine missing for almost two weeks, dad clings to hope

Not all of MR's statements were quoted - but the article is DEFINITELY all about how MARK feels and what MARK stated and there are related MR quotes. Just not the entire article...

MR was most likely "INTERVIEWED" at his house (thus the photo of him) and these were quotes/statements/words out of his own mouth. How could a reporter make it up?

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Once again you have done well in your posting. My point about the fishing pole and Marks comments about it is that we don't know exactly when he noticed it missing. Same thing with the backpack. Was it when he first walked in the door? Or was it a bit later after calling out for Dylan and looking around the house for him? Or was it after he woke up from his nap?

I'm sure that LE asked these questions during what I assume were extensive interviews/interrogations. We aren't privy to the answers of those questions. MOO.

BBM

11:30 when he got home.

 

[katydid23]

So now we're going to compare what Mark said (or what a reporter wrote that he said) to something we think we remember he said.

This is getting sillier by the minute.

Do you have a link to Mark saying he texted Dylan after he got home? I don't ever recall seeing that. I guess it's futile to ask.

There is an interview where Mark said exactly that. It is not just by my memory. We discussed that earlier interview incessantly, because we spent weeks deciding if there was cell service or not for himm to send those texts.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

So now we're going to compare what Mark said (or what a reporter wrote that he said) to something we think we remember he said.

This is getting sillier by the minute.

Do you have a link to Mark saying he texted Dylan after he got home? I don't ever recall seeing that. I guess it's futile to ask.

Party hats and silly string? Is there someone coming who can make animals out of balloons? I want a giraffe. Or a dog. Something. Anything.

Meanwhile, Dylan is...not at our silly party. What happened to that (beautiful boy) handsome young man? We all want to know. Once and for all.

 

[Emma Ems]

Thanks. Another one where it's not Mark saying anything, but a reporter writing.

Looking at it again. Ok LE comes in and investigates, asks MR about missing things, right. So let's say they determine they believe these items to be with Dylan, right? When the reporter does the story, it's like, this: "MR arrived home at 11:30 to find Dylan gone(and since these items seem to have gone missing with Dylan they lump them in) along with his back pack and fishing pole. It doesn't say he noticed them gone right when he noticed Dylan missing, it's just how it's written. I don't read it as he noticed them immediately. He was not there, along with the missing teen...a fishing pole and a backpack.

 

[TxJan1971]

I find in all these cases nowadays that there is a BIG difference between what people actually say, and what reporters write that they say. It's appalling in straight text, and even more appalling when they write it as a quote, and then you listen to the video, and they even get it dead wrong then!

I understand your feeling the way you do about reporters.

I also seem to note that we (folks) seem to be willing to make an awful lot of excuses for MR's actions/statements. I'm okay with giving someone a pass, or two, or three. However, when do we call it too many excuses for any one person (not specific to MR)? What's the magic number? I'm certainly willing to cut him/others a break. But how many is too many breaks? For anyone, not just MR?

We say we want to only go with LE statements, but then we have folks who say: "but LE uses deception... LE may not be truthful to the parents". So if LE is being deceptive to MR or ER or others, wouldn't there also be the possibility of them being deceptive to US in their releases? If so, then we can't trust what LE tells us as factual, we can't trust the involved parents because they may be forgetful under stress and not remember from month to month what they previously said, we can't trust a reporter because they don't get it right... so why bother to have any discussions when we can't trust ANYONE or ANYTHING as factual? Why have WS?

KWIM?

(Just frustrated that Dylan hasn't been found yet... Forgive me.)

 

[The Cheese]

First day maybe even two is the same as immediately?

A reporter wrote immediately. I don't know what Mark actually said in that interview. So I'm not going to even worry about "immediately".

 

[Emma Ems]

Several links provided where he did say he noticed it gone immediately.

I do not agree. We are reading the same exact thing and coming to two different conclusions. 6 years of journalism in school, and I get the writing, reporting aspect. I understand what is being done. Hopefully I clarified that as best I could. An article would not read well and get boring very quickly if it read like this:

MR got home at 1130 am. He noticed his son missing. He walked to fridge, grabbed a bottled water, noticed a dirty cereal bowl in the sink. The TV was still on, so he cut it off. He went upstairs to take a nap for an hour. He tried to text Dylan, no response. He waited a couple more hours to see if Dylan showed up. Got worried, went to see if he was at a friend's house. Knocked on their doors. First friend was not home. Second friend didn't see him.

Get my drift, that gets old and boring, they have to color it up, sum up some things. It's still accurate if you say those things were gone at the time Dylan went missing, because he wasn't there at that time, and they were believed to be gone with him.

 

[TxJan1971]

There is an interview where Mark said exactly that. It is not just by my memory. We discussed that earlier interview incessantly, because we spent weeks deciding if there was cell service or not for himm to send those texts.

Let me look for it.

 

[The Cheese]

He said 24 TO 48.

No, sorry, katy, he did not. But you know that, because you posted what he did say.

 

[katydid23]

Party hats and silly string? Is there someone coming who can make animals out of balloons? I want a giraffe. Or a dog. Something. Anything.

Meanwhile, Dylan is...not at our silly party. What happened to that (beautiful boy) handsome young man? We all want to know. Once and for all.

here is the link:
http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

When he got back at 11:30, his son's dirty cereal bowl was beside the sink. The television was on Nickelodeon. His son's fishing pole was gone. So was his black-and-gray backpack. A few articles of clothing were left behind on the couch.

"His priority was pretty much with his friends, so I wasn't alarmed," Mark said.

In hindsight, Mark wonders whether Dylan became impatient and hitchhiked. "I can't quite wrap my mind around that yet," he said.

Mark said he tried texting Dylan all afternoon in an area with spotty cellphone service. When he didn't hear anything back by late afternoon, he went to Dylan's friend's house in Vallecito. That friend


An undated photo provided by the La Plata County, Colo., sheriff's office shows Dylan Redwine. Teams are searching around Vallecito Lakes, Colo., for 13-year-old Redwine who has been missing for a week. (La Plata County Sheriff's Office | )hadn't seen him.==================================

So in his interview on 12/2, Mark believed Dylan had gone off with friends, and he noted the pack and pole were gone, so HE TEXTED HIM ALL AFTERNOON, then went and TALKED to the Vallecito friend, and when that friend hadnt heard from him, he became alarmed, and decided to drive to B-town.

IT WAS NOT MY IMAGINATION, thanks.