CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[Emma Ems]

Ok, brain reset for a minute.

We have MR saying on Tricia's show that he didn't think of the backpack right away. We have articles that, to some, read that he noticed it was missing right away.

So what's the concern? Does this prove something either way?

It's getting late and before I strain my brain on this any more I'd like to know why this is turning into such a big issue.

Truthfully, I don't think so. But that's just me

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Ok, brain reset for a minute.

We have MR saying on Tricia's show that he didn't think of the backpack right away. We have articles that, to some, read that he noticed it was missing right away.

So what's the concern? Does this prove something either way?

It's getting late and before I strain my brain on this any more I'd like to know why this is turning into such a big issue.

IMO it's another discrepancy by MR and that is all. MOO and nothing anyone says is going to change MOO. So it really is pointless to keep going over and over it. The links have been provided numerous times. We all can once again agree to disagree. I think that would be best.

 

[Emma Ems]

Well...I repeatedly tried to bring up the POSSIBILITY that the last text was sent via the iPod and was repeatedly reminded that MB talked to LE and clearly stated it was sent via the cell phone.

I was accused of calling MB a liar. I tried to explain that no, I didn't think she was a liar but I thought perhaps she was making an ASSUMPTION that it was sent via the cell phone because many people think text = cell phone.

So like I said, ya can't have it both ways. If MB's information about the last text was to be treated as gospel then so is MR's statement regarding when he noticed the backpack being missing (according to MSM).

I didn't participate in this discussion either, but can I steer it away for one second. MB said her source was LE, right? So either she got it wrong, or LE gave her misinformation. I won't jump with she got it wrong, or with the misinformation theory. I just take all of these things in, and weigh them as being possible, either way. If LE did misinform her, then I do believe they have their reasons for doing so. However, if MB reported it and it was an error, it should have been corrected. The only ones I put more weight into are the exact words(as a person speaks them, meaning when they are quoted or on live interview.)

 

[Dee10]

Well...I repeatedly tried to bring up the POSSIBILITY that the last text was sent via the iPod and was repeatedly reminded that MB talked to LE and clearly stated it was sent via the cell phone.

I was accused of calling MB a liar. I tried to explain that no, I didn't think she was a liar but I thought perhaps she was making an ASSUMPTION that it was sent via the cell phone because many people think text = cell phone.

So like I said, ya can't have it both ways. If MB's information about the last text was to be treated as gospel then so is MR's statement regarding when he noticed the backpack being missing (according to MSM).

I remember that & I was pointing out MR was a texter as he was in an area with spotty reception, he could afford it so of course he would have wifi. Many people thought she may have made a wrong assumption. You can have all the quotes & new releases in the world but it takes putting the puzzle pieces to fit to know if you should discount something. Gosh, if I want every t & i crossed & dotted, I wouldn't waste my time here I would wait for the trial.

Credibility in these cases means everything to me to help form opinions on issued that come up in these cases. Elaine has been proven right about the time of the last cell phone text & MR on the poly, maybe more and MR well...

 

[Tennlyn]

Ok, brain reset for a minute.

We have MR saying on Tricia's show that he didn't think of the backpack right away. We have articles that, to some, read that he noticed it was missing right away.

So what's the concern? Does this prove something either way?

It's getting late and before I strain my brain on this any more I'd like to know why this is turning into such a big issue.

For me, and this is MOO, it shows deception. My guess is, he disposed of the backpack Sunday night or maybe in a dumpster in Durango on Monday morning. Of course, he can't possibly tell the truth about that, so he's had to make up a story and now he no longer remembers the story he told. The truth doesn't change this much...a little variance in minor details, but to me this is significant. Again, JMO/IMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Ok, brain reset for a minute.

We have MR saying on Tricia's show that he didn't think of the backpack right away. We have articles that, to some, read that he noticed it was missing right away.

So what's the concern? Does this prove something either way?

It's getting late and before I strain my brain on this any more I'd like to know why this is turning into such a big issue.

I think that the clue in deciphering this particular example of "Mark speak" is where he used the word "determined." How he feels that word fits with his thoughts is what he is actually trying to say in my opinion.

I think that Mark has been consistent on this particular subject.

And I think that it shouldn't be a big issue.

 

[Money Girl]

In Mark's new story, he did NOT even think to look for the pack until the question 'was posed' by the Search Dog crew. He said that very clearly in his interview on Sunday.


But in his earlier interviews, which we linked upthread, he already knew the pack was gone when he went to search the lake area and go to Bayfield. Big difference between the two stories.

IMO, that means he noticed it missing when Dylan was not there. But, he made an extra effort to search for it when requested by the Search Dog crews.

 

[Dee10]

When a the person was the last known person to be with a victim in general & he verve's off his original version of events, we owe it to the victim to play very close attention PERIOD, not waive it off & give them passes. JMO

 

[Money Girl]

I remember that & I was pointing out MR was a texter as he was in an area with spotty reception, he could afford it so of course he would have wifi. Many people thought she may have made a wrong assumption. You can have all the quotes & new releases in the world but it takes putting the puzzle pieces to fit to know if you should discount something. Gosh, if I want every t & i crossed & dotted, I wouldn't waste my time here I would wait for the trial.

Credibility in these cases means everything to me to help form opinions on issued that come up in these cases. Elaine has been proven right about the time of the last cell phone text & MR on the poly, maybe more and MR well...

Elaine did not have the correct time for the last cell phone text. We only got the 9;37 time when LE released it in a press release.

 

[Dee10]

Elaine did not have the correct time for the last cell phone text. We only got the 9;37 time when LE released it in a press release.

9:37 was for Dylan's iPod Touch. Cell phone was just after 8.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Elaine did not have the correct time for the last cell phone text. We only got the 9;37 time when LE released it in a press release.

EH did have the correct time

8pm was the approx time of the last activity from Dylans phone

9.37pm was from his iPod touch

two different devices and IMO she was only discussing the cell phone text.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

IMO whether the last text could have been sent by the iPod was a very relevant point since so many said his phone may have been broken and no wifi in the house and Dylan didn't know how to use a landline or didn't have numbers so he set off on his own to Bayfield. Now we know he had many options to communicate the next morning and IMO he would have if he was physically capable of doing so. No doubt he would have contacted R at the very least. So why didn't he?

 

[Money Girl]

9:37 was for Dylan's iPod Touch. Cell phone was just after 8.

MB said LE informed her the 9:37 was from the cell phone.

 

[Dee10]

MB said LE informed her the 9:37 was from the cell phone.

No, they didn't the new release didn't specify cell phone, they only said text. When MR was on Tricia's show on Sunday MR told her police told him it came from his Ipod Touch.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

When a the person was the last known person to be with a victim in general & he verve's off his original version of events, we owe it to the victim to play very close attention PERIOD, not waive it off & give them passes. JMO

I agree that the last person known to be with a missing person should be under suspicion from the beginning. But the investigation should follow the evidence and not just focus on one particular theory that is most convenient. MOO.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

MB said LE informed her the 9:37 was from the cell phone.

IMO I think MB assumed it was from the cell phone, that or she was confused.

from an article

Deputies have released an update timeline about Dylan’s activities on Sunday, November 18:
• 5:46 p.m. Dylan arrived at Durango-La Plata airport.
• 7:05 p.m. Dylan at Durango Walmart
• 7:22 p.m. Dylan at Durango McDonalds
• 9:37 p.m. Dylan’s last electronic device communication (texting)


http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...3-year-old-dylan-redwine-in-durango-vallecito

 

[Lordeebee]

For me, and this is MOO, it shows deception. My guess is, he disposed of the backpack Sunday night or maybe in a dumpster in Durango on Monday morning. Of course, he can't possibly tell the truth about that, so he's had to make up a story and now he no longer remembers the story he told. The truth doesn't change this much...a little variance in minor details, but to me this is significant. Again, JMO/IMO.

I agree that it's about deception, and I think it's incredibly important. Just like the mop bucket for Scott Peterson (where was the bucket, when did he move it, where did you put it when you moved it etc.).

Let's say Mark made sure all of Dylan's belongings were put into the backpack and then he disposed of it. It would then be a large consideration for him as far as what story to tell about whether he knew what was in it, where it was, what happened to it, and when he noticed it was missing. He might first think he should say that he noticed it was missing right away, because that would make him look like a concerned father. But then it might look like he knew too much about the backpack, noticed it too much. ETA: And if he noticed it was missing right away, would he have laid down to take a nap? So then he might decide it sounds better to say he didn't notice it at all for a day or two - - until he starts hearing how it doesn't make sense how he noticed the fishing pole before he noticed the backpack.

Granted, these are observations based on IF Mark is responsible for disposing of the backpack. But I think we should feel fairly certain that LE is asking themselves the exact same questions, and therefore also noticing the inconsistencies / deception.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

No, they didn't the new release didn't specify cell phone, they only said text. When MR was on Tricia's show on Sunday MR told her police told him it came from his Ipod Touch.

What I found interesting from Mark talking to Tricia is he could have said things differently than he did that would have helped him look better to the people who are convinced that he harmed Dylan.

I was surprised that Mark said,without hesitation, that he had Wi Fi in his home and Dylan would use his I Pod to text from his home. That didn't help him at all but he told the truth. That impressed me greatly.

 

[PPKik]

If there is a difference between these two devices, cell and iPod, and which was used for texting, would someone be kind enough to explain? TIA.
The last known accurate time is very important, and message may be, but I don't get why the device itself is.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If there is a difference between these two devices, cell and iPod, and which was used for texting, would someone be kind enough to explain? TIA.
The last known accurate time is very important, and message may be, but I don't get why the device itself is.

I'm not sure what your question is but in the context of this case the more devices available to Dylan to text or call someone, the less likely he couldn't contact someone after his last confirmed text at 9:37pm Nov 18th.

It doesn't mean that he decided to not text or call anyone of his own free will.