CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[katydid23]

I guess it depends on what she wants.

She wants him to tell her where the remains are, but I doubt that will ever happen. :rose:

 

[Bayou Mistress]

She wants him to tell her where the remains are, but I doubt that will ever happen. :rose:

Are you saying that EH believes that her son is deceased? Link please?

 

[katydid23]

Are you saying that EH believes that her son is deceased? Link please?

She brought cadaver dogs to search the lake. :rose: Do you need links for that?

 

[Emma Ems]

She brought cadaver dogs to search the lake. :rose: Do you need links for that?

She could have brought them in to prove he is not, if other people around her are convinced that he is and she just wants some peace of mind that they are not right. Just looking at the other side of that one.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

She brought cadaver dogs to search the lake. :rose: Do you need links for that?

No, I don't need links for that. How very sad for EH. I guess now, for her, it's nothing but a quest for justice, at least in your opinion?

 

[katydid23]

She could have brought them in to prove he is not, if other people around her are convinced that he is and she just wants some peace of mind that they are not right. Just looking at the other side of that one.

I am sure she goes back and forth on it, and is clinging to the HOPE that he is alive. But bringing in the cadaver dogs means it has crossed her mind, jmo.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

She could have brought them in to prove he is not, if other people around her are convinced that he is and she just wants some peace of mind that they are not right. Just looking at the other side of that one.

Yes! Such searches are more of an elimination tool rather than one that defines the feelings/attitudes of a missing child's parent(s).

 

[katydid23]

No, I don't need links for that. How very sad for EH. I guess now, for her, it's nothing but a quest for justice, at least in your opinion?

Don't put words in my mouth please. Not about Elaine.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I can personally attest to the fact that MR IS that type. I just transcribed about half of his last interview with Tricia. That guy speaks in circles and throws in dozens of unnecessary words and details and does it very smoothly. And he has such a soothing, believable tone, that it almost lulls you into believing him. He dances around the questions and says so many extra words, he never gave her a chance to insert the next question, because he went on and on with extraneous words and info.
see below:


T: I think we all understand that…absolutely. Lets talk about the Search Warrants. You realized them yourself, correct? why.. why did u do that?

MR: That's correct….Well, the reason I did that was specifically because they search warrants were issued based on the theory of kidnapping. and you know, again, I'm not trying to be critical of Law Enforcement …and I've never used the word Amber, in ya know in my statement that I put out there, all I'm saying is that , here is the problem that I have, and maybe somebody in your audience can help clarify this, but this is the a question I ask Law Enforcement, what was the fundamental difference between being kidnapped and being abducted, and their answer to me is there was absolutely no difference, so , my next question to them is then if you had enough to get a search warrant based on probable cause then why did you not have enough to issue an Amber Alert, to notify people out there that that we had a missing child..and that is an answer I never got from Law Enforcement, because basically there is criteria, and it has to be met and in their eyes the criteria hadn't been met , that being said if they couldn't meet the criteria for issuing an Amber Alert, based on him being abducted then how did they obtain a search warrant based on probable cause for kidnapping, I mean, to me, the two are the same…one doesn't mean any difference than the other, its just the words that their using, one's abduction, ones kidnapping, …

T: Ya, I see what you're saying, I think they have to have a car description, it doesn't take a lot for a search warrant…

MR: Oh, I know, but I have no problem with that, all they had to do was ask, and got into my house, I'm not trying to hide anything, but the argument that I would make about what your saying is technology is advancing quicker than LaW Enforcement or the laws are changing, to handle situations like this, that being said, you know, I understand that they can get a search warrant based on probable cause, but if it doesn't logically make sense to me, and again, maybe there's something I'm missing… that it just doesn't make sense to me that it'd be easier to obtain a search warrant for a search on a home than it would be to issue an Alert for a child thats gone missing…

I don't see anything wrong with what Mark say's in the quotes you have here. It sounds like he's trying to explain the reason why he released the search warrants and his feelings about how probable cause for a search warrant should factor in with why an alert should have been put out.

 

[SmoothOperator]

OK just a couple of points that I've personally thought on their significance or motive for their even being publicly stated by LE..I'll ATTEMPT to be brief and directly to my point<at least "brief" for me>.

We early on, from Elaine had the information that her cell phone records indicate Dylan's last outgoing text was at 8:01pm.. For a very long time this was the point of reference marking when all communication from Dylan ceased to exist to ANYONE IN THE ENTIRE OUTSIDE WORLD of Mark Redwine's home..

Months into the investigation we have LE publicly release a statement with a timeline detailed in nature, yet vague regarding that one issue of the 9:37pm outgoing communication via text from Dylan.. So, we were left to attempt to decipher exactly which device, by which service(ie.cellular vs internet) did Dylan send this last text message..

Even then I also kept in the back of mind just a heavy, heavy questioning of could this particular info have been given with a motive by LE in their investigating to locate Dylan.. And even now in knowing that the text does supposedly exist, and was sent via Dylan's iTouch.. I personally do still have that heavy question mark that pops in my mind every time this specific issue comes up.. I am fully understanding that it could very well be a genuine fact and have no problem being wrong in my just opining the possibility of it being stated publicly with a particular motive on the part of LE..

IIRC in a couple of the more recent interviews when Elaine has been asked about those last outgoing communications and giving possibly more specific detail, that she was reserved in any additional or further info about those last communications and IIRC she deferred to LE about the issue..

Again I could be completely off base and it genuinely is fact.. But I must admit the time my antennaes were at one of their stiffest, straightest calls to attention was when Mark went into his spiel about how he'd known about the much later released outgoing texts in the 9'o'clock hour and had been adamant from the start in his proclaiming this texting by Dylan .. I must say my antennaes were especially sensitive to his adamant claims regarding this issue..

IMO Look at what the very real possibility is here..the possibility of LE being at a very very difficult crossroads in being unable to progress forward with their finding this young man..why?.. Because in my very strong opinion this young man's father has not allowed it..it is moo and I am very clearly stating it as such and I very much believe that he is not giving another polygraph and that basically puts a real halt on progressing forward ..IMO Mark is involved..and IMO Mark, alone is involved and when the only person alive who has the information as to what, how, when, where this young man has been "disappeared" from the earth..well, IMO ya damn well better believe it is going to be a long, very difficult process of unraveling those facts to even lead to where it is Dylan is..and even a much more arduous process to attempt to seek justice via a court of law for what has been done to Dylan..

Does it mean Mark is a brilliant genius?.. Nope, not hardly.. Smooth, sophisticated criminal?.. Nope.. Blessed with the luck of the Irish times 1000?.. He may certainly think so, but there will come the day when the facts do begin to unravel and Dylan will be found..the truth will come to light and Elaine and Cory will unfortunately come to know details that I so wish they would never have to know..but IMO sadly that day will come..

IMO I find it possible that LE do not have much to go on wrt tangible evidence which is what is needed in order to be able to progress if they have someone who for instance is not proceeding forward in avenues such as polygraphs.. I again am being very clear in my stating this is my opinion that I believe to be a road block via Mark..

If they are possibly unable to proceed with further poly but believe that there is deception present.. IMO a determining factor could be in their stating that Dylan was sending outgoing communications much later than what they know for a fact he did.. In doing so, Mark creates a story to go along with this new fact that he witnessed the outgoing communication and is the one who told LE about Dylan communicating much later than the original time they gave(8:01pm).. Therefor proving what they strongly believed, that Mark is lying. Now does that make Mark guilty?.. Hell no! But imo you damn well better believe its an indicator to proceed forward down the avenue of his involvement in Dylan's no longer being here..It may not make sense to some and a-ok with me..if it doesn't make sense in being just utterly nonsensical by all means please scroll and roll..

I am not stating anything is fact and have made very clear exactly what is my own opinion, specifically my opinion regarding the info about the much later outgoing communication that we learned of from LE much later in the investigation..It can be exactly what it is, a newly released fact later in the investigation.. Or it could be information given for a specific reason or motive.. Anyhoo its all Jmo, anyway!

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Don't put words in my mouth please. Not about Elaine.

Yes, putting words in someone's mouth or attributing definite feelings to someone other than oneself should be avoided at all costs.

I'm pretty sure I asked you your opinion, however.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

She wants him to tell her where the remains are, but I doubt that will ever happen. :rose:

My opinion only. I so agree Katydid.

My opinion only:

I think in the beginning Elaine thought Mark had hidden Dylan.

"Elaine Redwine said, and he isn’t evading people searching for him. “He isn’t just out there roaming the area. I believe he is being held (against his will) or is unable to contact us." http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1091

I think it was in the moments between when she asked MR whether he had hurt Dylan, he answered and she replied "I don't believe you." that she became convinced that Dylan was no longer alive. She then went on to say: "You need to bring him home. And please, I hope you didn’t hurt him. I hope you did not hurt him… because I really don’t’ trust you and I really have a concern that you hurt him, and his bones are out there just laying, and you don’t even care..."

I believe Elaine is grieving twice over right now.

 

[Eileen730]

She brought cadaver dogs to search the lake. :rose: Do you need links for that?

No, I don't need links for that. How very sad for EH. I guess now, for her, it's nothing but a quest for justice, at least in your opinion?

Its a quest to find Dylan that's what it is!
I do not think she cares what happens to Mark!
she just wants some answers And IMVOO I think MR has those answers!
JMO

 

[katydid23]

Yes, putting words in someone's mouth or attributing definite feelings to someone other than oneself should be avoided at all costs.

I'm pretty sure I asked you your opinion, however.

You asked my opinion about what Elaine was wanting now, from this situation. I could not begin to know or understand how she feels right now. Thank goodness.

 

[katydid23]

I don't see anything wrong with what Mark say's in the quotes you have here. It sounds like he's trying to explain the reason why he released the search warrants and his feelings about how probable cause for a search warrant should factor in with why an alert should have been put out.

But his explanation makes NO SENSE. JMO

The criteria for Amber Alert was not met.

And I posted that because someone else had said that MR was NOT the kind of person that tried to be glib and smooth and talk his way out of situations. And after transcribing him, I felt the opposite was true. He talks in circles and adds lots of extra things like " That being said" and " To be perfectly honest..." etc.

 

[nikb]

Thanks. So he has added "teen or whatever." Sounds like he's unsure which Nick channel that Dylan was watching. MOO.

Agreed. I know when it first came out that the TV was on Nickelodeon people were looking up the programming for the "main" Nick channel and it was definitely geared towards very little kids, but we (several of us who checked it out) found there are several channels. I wouldn't say the story changed on the channel, just got a little more detailed.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But his explanation makes NO SENSE. JMO

The criteria for Amber Alert was not met.

And I posted that because someone else had said that MR was NOT the kind of person that tried to be glib and smooth and talk his way out of situations. And after transcribing him, I felt the opposite was true. He talks in circles and adds lots of extra things like " That being said" and " To be perfectly honest..." etc.

I'm not trying to agree with Mark's ideas about missing children alerts but it appears to me that he's frustrated and wants everything possible to be done in order to find Dylan.

He does talk differently than I do but I don't see how that means anything.

 

[Money Girl]

I can personally attest to the fact that MR IS that type. I just transcribed about half of his last interview with Tricia. That guy speaks in circles and throws in dozens of unnecessary words and details and does it very smoothly. And he has such a soothing, believable tone, that it almost lulls you into believing him. He dances around the questions and says so many extra words, he never gave her a chance to insert the next question, because he went on and on with extraneous words and info.
see below:


T: I think we all understand that…absolutely. Lets talk about the Search Warrants. You realized them yourself, correct? why.. why did u do that?

MR: That's correct….Well, the reason I did that was specifically because they search warrants were issued based on the theory of kidnapping. and you know, again, I'm not trying to be critical of Law Enforcement …and I've never used the word Amber, in ya know in my statement that I put out there, all I'm saying is that , here is the problem that I have, and maybe somebody in your audience can help clarify this, but this is the a question I ask Law Enforcement, what was the fundamental difference between being kidnapped and being abducted, and their answer to me is there was absolutely no difference, so , my next question to them is then if you had enough to get a search warrant based on probable cause then why did you not have enough to issue an Amber Alert, to notify people out there that that we had a missing child..and that is an answer I never got from Law Enforcement, because basically there is criteria, and it has to be met and in their eyes the criteria hadn't been met , that being said if they couldn't meet the criteria for issuing an Amber Alert, based on him being abducted then how did they obtain a search warrant based on probable cause for kidnapping, I mean, to me, the two are the same…one doesn't mean any difference than the other, its just the words that their using, one's abduction, ones kidnapping, …

T: Ya, I see what you're saying, I think they have to have a car description, it doesn't take a lot for a search warrant…

MR: Oh, I know, but I have no problem with that, all they had to do was ask, and got into my house, I'm not trying to hide anything, but the argument that I would make about what your saying is technology is advancing quicker than LaW Enforcement or the laws are changing, to handle situations like this, that being said, you know, I understand that they can get a search warrant based on probable cause, but if it doesn't logically make sense to me, and again, maybe there's something I'm missing… that it just doesn't make sense to me that it'd be easier to obtain a search warrant for a search on a home than it would be to issue an Alert for a child thats gone missing…

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Mark's answers here. A lot of families with missing children are asking the same thing.

He sounds like what he is - a father with a missing child who wants him found.

 

[katydid23]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Mark's answers here. A lot of families with missing children are asking the same thing.

He sounds like what he is - a father with a missing child who wants him found.

I disagree. I think it is PATHETIC that he blames LE for not issuing an Amber ALert, when he himself came home and took a nap, before looking for his son.

LE made the MISTAKE of listening to Mark and taking HIS LEAD in looking for Dylan. Why put out an Amber Alert when Dad says the fishing pole is missing and Dylan is lost by the lake?

Mark is the one that orchestrated the SEARCH for Dylan in the lake area. And now he faults them for not issuing an Amber Alert, when he himself said he never even considered abduction for the first few days.

And that whole rambling monologue on the radio, about the search warrants was nonsensical. The kidnapping described in the search warrants had nothing to do with the criteria for an Amber Alert, and he knows that

 

[katydid23]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Mark's answers here. A lot of families with missing children are asking the same thing.

He sounds like what he is - a father with a missing child who wants him found.

And if you listen to his voice, and not the transcript, another clue jumps out. Unlike Elaines voice, Mark's has NO GRIEF, NO SORROW, when he discusses his missing son. Just glib accusations against others and explanations and justifications for his own actions. He sounds very self serving and confident, but no painful GRIEF, none at all.