CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #52

[katydid23]

"I can't believe you can be married to someone to 20 years and they could say those kinds of things about you," Mark Redwine told KRDO Newschannel 13.

On Monday, Dylan's mother, Elaine, told ABC News that she was afraid her ex-husband may have done something to Dylan.

::snipping2::

KRDO Newchannel 13 spoke to Mark at his home in Vallecito where Dylan was staying for a court ordered visit when he went missing on November 19.

Mark didn't want to go on camera, and said he has avoided the media thus far because he doesn't want to interfere with the search for his son or say anything negative about his ex, with whom he said he had a messy divorce.

He said his son, "means everything to me."

"I'm just trying to let the authorities do their job," he said. "My only concern right now is Dylan."

http://www.krdo.com/news/Missing-bo...-him/-/417220/17567216/-/1535yvy/-/index.html

 

[Money Girl]

They are not done yet.

Oh. Thank you. I thought her appearances on there were before MRs and I found the transcripts for his appearances.

That's o.k. I was just going to provide something as a link, but every link I have provided or mentioned has been talked about on here previously.

 

[katydid23]

November 27, 2012, 11:08:32 PM »
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[katydid23]

I am going back through all of the early msm, because I am looking for the comments about him planning to meet up with some old friends [girls] during the visit. But I am posting some of the 'oldies but goodies ' because they are interesting to read, 7 months later.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

In include the following in all my postings:

MOO
Unless a source is cited

Here is one of the links in which Mark states "He said he spoke with investigators and they recommended that he and Elaine Redwine get a mediator and meet to clear the air. He said he plans to do that through his divorce attorney."

http://gazette.com/picket-planned-in-effort-to-find-monument-boy/article/150110

Here is another link:

http://www.symradio.com/13-year-old...e-vallecito-lake-area-near-bayfield-colorado/


Sorry it is taking me so long. (I'm just glad to be home with computer access!)

are there any MSM links that say he did arrange mediation through his divorce attorney soon after he made that claim?

It's one thing to say something, it's another thing altogether to actually follow through.

Also I've been unable to find any information that EH wouldn't do mediation without LE there, can you please provide a link to that information.

IIRC EH said that she didn't think mediation was necessary because she was willing to talk to MR

 

[Money Girl]

are there any MSM links that say he did arrange mediation through his divorce attorney soon after he made that claim?

It's one thing to say something, it's another thing altogether to actually follow through.

Also I've been unable to find any information that EH wouldn't do mediation without LE there, can you please provide a link to that information.

IIRC EH said that she didn't think mediation was necessary because she was willing to talk to MR

I don't know when or how the "conflict resolution" talks were arranged.

I think Elaine may have told that to Tricia in the radio interview, but I would have to listen to it again to find out. Or, maybe I read it on a thread here.

I also remember Elaine saying she didn't think mediation was necessary.

 

[Money Girl]

Because they are very interesting to read again now, 7 months later. Especially after Mark has had two very long interviews. I am gaining some insights.

Thanks for the reply. I know Blue Sky does the same thing. Wish I was diligent enough to do the same. It's always nice to have our memory refreshed.

(Of course, I think my memory needs refreshing more often than yours!)

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I don't know when or how the "conflict resolution" talks were arranged.

I think Elaine may have told that to Tricia in the radio interview, but I would have to listen to it again to find out. Or, maybe I read it on a thread here.

I also remember Elaine saying she didn't think mediation was necessary.

Thanks, so we have no information about who arranged the mediation then? for all we know it could have been LE or some other third party.

I find it very interesting that LE attended the mediation, I wonder if that was LPCSO or FBI.

 

[TxJan1971]

Here's what I have for MSM Mediation Statements

NOTE: The 3 MSM articles below are all "REPORTER'S" statements, NOT "Direct Quotes by Law Enforcement OR by MR. There is one direct quote attributed to ER indicating that MR "hasn't arranged anything" and that she has "no qualms about speaking to him."


1. Mark Redwine Knocks Search - May 17, 2013

Mark Redwine’s statement also included an invitation for mediation with Dylan’s mother and his ex-wife, Elaine Redwine. “I believe the more we all work together to bring Dylan home the more successful his safe return will be.” Mark Redwine wrote in the statement. But Elaine Redwine says mediation isn’t necessary because she “has no qualms with speaking to him.”

“He continues to say let’s go to mediation, but he hasn’t done anything to start it,” she said in an interview Friday afternoon. “Frankly, I don’t think we need one.”

http://durangoherald.com/article/20130517/NEWS01/130519520/0/News01/Mark-Redwine-knocks-search


2. Protest Calls on Redwine - January 26, 2013

Redwine said that law enforcement even suggested that the Redwines, divorced six years ago, get mediation so they can work together better to find Dylan. So far, he said, Elaine has not accepted. Redwine said his ex-wife has contacted him using text messages.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...4/Protest-calls-on-Redwine&template=mobileart


3. Picket Planned in Effort to Find Monument Boy - January 24, 2013

He said he (MR) spoke with investigators and they recommended that he and Elaine Redwine get a mediator and meet to clear the air. He said he plans to do that through his divorce attorney.

http://gazette.com/article/150110#ixzz2JJYXn59S


COMMENTS:

NONE of the above MSM articles contain a direct quote from either Law Enforcement OR MR that would support the statement "MR said LE recommended mediation because MR & ER have a problem with communication."

Since it has been consistently argued that “reporters usually get it wrong and can’t be trusted for accuracy,” we probably shouldn't "assume" and rely on a "reporter's" words in any of the above instances either. It would be nice if we could all agree to either trust reporters statements as acceptable MSM or not, and stick with whatever that decision is for each instance regardless of the players. We can’t have it one way for anything that pertains to ER and another for when it pertains to MR.

In the 1-24-13 article, MR “allegedly” told a reporter that he planned to arrange this mediation "through his divorce attorney." Once again, there are NO direct quotes from LE or MR to support the statement that LE recommended mediation.

As far as the statement that "ER would not attend mediation unless LE was present," I have been unable to find any such statement anywhere and is not supported in any of the articles regarding mediation posted above.

We would need a link to confirm that this statement by ER is indeed factual; otherwise, it should be considered a rumor.

FWIW, regardless of whether LE recommended mediation or not or whether there is a direct quote to prove it, the fact is that MR & ER have met for the first time 7 months after their child went missing. Although it's a bit late IMOO, hopefully, this is a good sign and will continue to be a positive experience for everyone involved in the hopes of bringing Dylan home soon.

Edited to add:
Dr. P. Show:
2-26-2013

ER:
That’s why I’m here, Dr. P. I need a forum to be able to speak to him. I’ve asked on many occasions to meet with him, with a mediator, without a mediator. I don’t think we need a mediator, because I have no issues with my ex-husband. I just want to find my son!

JMOO and all that...

 

[asyousay]

IMO

MR is still way to concerned with Elaine and at the end of the day he does not need Elaine to search for Dylan . He is a big boy and should be looking for Dylan off his own back :cow:

 

[aust amateur slueth]

As I have stated in two other messages, I have not found the link for Elaine stating this in a cursory MSM check. I thought it could have been in Tricia's radio interviews of her.

I have no idea why she said she would not attend without LE.

thanks, I think I'll classify it as being your opinion or rumour then unless a link is provided.

 

[Money Girl]

thanks, I think I'll classify it as being your opinion or rumour then unless a link is provided.

That's fine with me.

I provided the MSM links which have been acceptable in the past. I didn't know the moderators here had a new rule that we should not quote MSM. I will check with them before providing any other requested links.

Thanks for your response, and have a great night.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

That's fine with me.

I provided the MSM links which have been acceptable in the past. I didn't know the moderators here had a new rule that we should not quote MSM. I will check with them before providing any other requested links.

Thanks for your response, and have a great night.

you stated that 'Elaine Redwine said she would not attend the mediation/conflict resolution without LE being there'

none of the links you provided said that and I'm interested in factual information.

 

[Money Girl]

you stated that 'Elaine Redwine said she would not attend the mediation/conflict resolution without LE being there'

none of the links you provided said that and I'm interested in factual information.

It's certainly o.k. with me if you personally want to consider this a rumor.

 

[Money Girl]

IMO

MR is still way to concerned with Elaine and at the end of the day he does not need Elaine to search for Dylan . He is a big boy and should be looking for Dylan off his own back :cow:

I don't understand this. Did Mark say he is not going to search for Dylan if Elaine doesn't accompany him?

Thank you.

 

[caffeinejean]

From the quote in the Sunday interview, meeting with LE is a NEW resolution for MR. He is going to put it on his calendar. That way LE will also be an intermediary between MR and EH.

My understanding of MR's "word salad" leads me to believe (no snark intended) that this is a new schedule of communication for him. He is "gonna" START doing this.

MR:
I mean…you know, I…I talk to them as much as I possibly think is necessary to…to…to do. I don’t talk to them every day, but, you know, one of the agreements that we had in this conflict resolution meeting was to communicate once a week, so, I made it…I marked it on my calendar that one day every week I’m gonna’ touch base with law enforcement. I’m going to let them know anything that I got going on. I’m going to ask them what they might have going on, and if there’s anything that maybe Elaine has going on that can be…um…communicated to me so that we are all on the same page doing the same exact things in the benefit of finding our son.



From the preceding post taken from the Sunday interview in the media timeline thread.

I agree, Tink. Thanks for your reply! I just seem to recall that quite awhile ago it was stated by someone (not sure who) that they both were meeting weekly 1:1 with LE and I remember when transcribing Sunday's piece I was shocked because I thought they had already been doing that and it was news to me. I'll keep looking to see if I can find what I'm looking for.

Here's all the MSM articles about MR & his interaction with DR on Monday morning. I'm sure I may be missing a few more!

Since I'm on an ipad - links available by request (which is why I #'d the articles)

1. Mark said he tried to wake his son the next morning around 7:30 before leaving to run errands, but Dylan was fast asleep

2. DENISE HESS: And that he had gotten up in the morning, stirred around the house, made some noise trying to get Dylan up, and Dylan didn’t want to get up and go into town at that time.

3. Mark Redwine said he was going to give Dylan a ride to his friends’ house and tried to wake him up when he left Monday morning but said Dylan was “out like a light.”

4. The next morning, Dad says at about 7:30 AM, Dylan was still asleep there on the couch. He'd had a bed made up for him there. He said Dylan apparently wanted to sleep in, so dad left, went to go run some errands.

5. “He was sleeping on the couch, and I told him I had to go about my errands,” Mark Redwine said in a Sunday telephone interview. “He said, “OK, I understand.” The focus for him was to go to his friend’s, but I live far back in the canyon.

6. "Before I left I nudged him on the shoulder and he acknowledged that he understood that I needed to leave, and if he needed anything, he would just call me."

7. "The next morning, Dylan was sleeping on the couch where Mark Redwine now sits and where Dylan's blankets still lie jumbled. Mark said he waited until 7:30 a.m. but still couldn't rouse his son, so he told him he would return about 11.

8. MR: You know, I spent 45 minutes… an hour… trying to get Dylan to wake up and, you know, and helping him… saying, you know, “Dylan, I’m going down,” ‘cos he had talked to me about going to see his friend, Ryan …that morning, but he wasn’t having no part of it… which is not uncommon for him. I mean, you can’t get him to bed and you can’t get him up. Pretty much how it is when he’s not at school to deal with, which is most of the time when he’s up here, although he had a school bus stop right down the street, so he could ride the bus from the school up here if I was home, or he could ride it to his mom’s house, which was a thing of beauty because her and I didn’t have to deal with transporting him
AND
MR: Yeah, “Dylan I’m leaving to go down to town and run my errands, if you need anything call me … call me when you get up… if there’s anything you need.” Never heard from him. I’ve sent him text messages, you know… asking him, “hey, Dude, are you up yet?” … you know, “Call me”… “Is there anything you need?”… and then… you know… by the time I got up here it was close to 11:30, probably…

Here's what I have for MSM Mediation Statements

NOTE: The 3 MSM articles below are all "REPORTER'S" statements, NOT "Direct Quotes by Law Enforcement OR by MR. There is one direct quote attributed to ER indicating that MR "hasn't arranged anything" and that she has "no qualms about speaking to him."


1. Mark Redwine Knocks Search - May 17, 2013

Mark Redwine’s statement also included an invitation for mediation with Dylan’s mother and his ex-wife, Elaine Redwine. “I believe the more we all work together to bring Dylan home the more successful his safe return will be.” Mark Redwine wrote in the statement. But Elaine Redwine says mediation isn’t necessary because she “has no qualms with speaking to him.”

“He continues to say let’s go to mediation, but he hasn’t done anything to start it,” she said in an interview Friday afternoon. “Frankly, I don’t think we need one.”

http://durangoherald.com/article/20130517/NEWS01/130519520/0/News01/Mark-Redwine-knocks-search


2. Protest Calls on Redwine - January 26, 2013

Redwine said that law enforcement even suggested that the Redwines, divorced six years ago, get mediation so they can work together better to find Dylan. So far, he said, Elaine has not accepted. Redwine said his ex-wife has contacted him using text messages.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...4/Protest-calls-on-Redwine&template=mobileart


3. Picket Planned in Effort to Find Monument Boy - January 24, 2013

He said he (MR) spoke with investigators and they recommended that he and Elaine Redwine get a mediator and meet to clear the air. He said he plans to do that through his divorce attorney.

http://gazette.com/article/150110#ixzz2JJYXn59S


COMMENTS:

NONE of the above MSM articles contain a direct quote from either Law Enforcement OR MR that would support the statement "MR said LE recommended mediation because MR & ER have a problem with communication."

Since it has been consistently argued that “reporters usually get it wrong and can’t be trusted for accuracy,” we probably shouldn't "assume" and rely on a "reporter's" words in any of the above instances either. It would be nice if we could all agree to either trust reporters statements as acceptable MSM or not, and stick with whatever that decision is for each instance regardless of the players. We can’t have it one way for anything that pertains to ER and another for when it pertains to MR.

In the 1-24-13 article, MR “allegedly” told a reporter that he planned to arrange this mediation "through his divorce attorney." Once again, there are NO direct quotes from LE or MR to support the statement that LE recommended mediation.

As far as the statement that "ER would not attend mediation unless LE was present," I have been unable to find any such statement anywhere and is not supported in any of the articles regarding mediation posted above.

We would need a link to confirm that this statement by ER is indeed factual; otherwise, it should be considered a rumor.

FWIW, regardless of whether LE recommended mediation or not or whether there is a direct quote to prove it, the fact is that MR & ER have met for the first time 7 months after their child went missing. Although it's a bit late IMOO, hopefully, this is a good sign and will continue to be a positive experience for everyone involved in the hopes of bringing Dylan home soon.

Edited to add:
Dr. P. Show:
2-26-2013

ER:
That’s why I’m here, Dr. P. I need a forum to be able to speak to him. I’ve asked on many occasions to meet with him, with a mediator, without a mediator. I don’t think we need a mediator, because I have no issues with my ex-husband. I just want to find my son!

JMOO and all that...

I just bumped a lot of good stuff forward that I thought just got lost in a few pages of... you know what. I'm not saying it was all bad, just that it looked like a train wreck.
:trainwreck::trainwreck:
thought this might help some get back on track! JMO Happy Monday!

 

[asyousay]

I don't understand this. Did Mark say he is not going to search for Dylan if Elaine doesn't accompany him?

Thank you.

What searching has he done so far for Dylan ? . On the radio show he has admitted to not even putting up posters for his missing son .


My point was he needs to stop going on about Elaine and mediation and actually start helping to locate Dylan.

IMO , more radio stations , tv would want to speak to him as he is the last known person with Dylan and he is the one with the story . So if he think's LE is not doing enough then he should be out there knocking down doors trying to get Dylan's face national :moo:

 

[rosesfromangels]

Three trained dogs hit on four locations near the dam where human scent was picked up.

Dylan's brother, Cory Redwine:

"Hope's are high, but the situation isn't very promising, so..."

Cory watched the activity by the dive team from New Mexico today.

"Me and him, he was my hero just as much as I was his, it's just been...I can't even explain it you know...it just tears you up inside not knowing where...what he's doing."

"It's been killing me, it's been hard for our whole entire family."

Dylan's family was asked (by investigators) to bring more of his clothes tomorrow for use with the dogs to pick up his scent.

http://www.9news.com/video/9newsonline.aspx

Stay strong Cory. You have been such a hero throughout this ordeal. We all respect your courage, and send our love to you and your Mom! God Bless

 

[MissJ]

I cannot imagine what EH and DR brothers are going through. JMO

 

[asyousay]

I cannot imagine what EH and DR brothers are going through. JMO

It must be beyond awful as not only do they not know what happened , nobody has been arrested either . I guess its a kind of being in limbo for them :cow:

What keeps you going is the hope that today is the day that Dylan is home .


IMO