CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #7

[Tennlyn]

I really don't think he'd decide to hitchhike without first trying to get one of his friends' parents to pick him up. I would think as soon as Dylan woke up, realized Dad was gone, he would have immediately started texting or calling his buddies trying to get to them and I don't think he'd attempt hitchhiking unless those other possibilities weren't successful. And, no texts or calls to Mom that morning is strange to me too.

We've beat this horse to death, but this is the type of kid (much like most 13 year olds) who would grab for his cell phone probably before grabbing a toothbrush, a bowl of cereal, etc.

At that age, my son was usually awakened by numerous texts from his friends - that's his version of an alarm clock! I wonder what time Dylan's friends started texting him Monday.

 

[Seek&Find]

Was Dylan's phone even turned on at any point after ~ 8 pm Sunday?

 

[shefner]

The only scenario that has not been openly considered (that would be allowed under TOS at this time):

:abduction:

 

[SCHMAE]

I think this is a great post. Also, since Vallecito is a smaller community and Dylan might have felt "safe" there--more so than his other home--he might be even less concerned about the danger. For all we know he accepted a ride from someone he was acquainted with. Someone in the community. Not all SO are registered or known. Not all "friendly" people in town are what they seem. There are a TON of unsolved murders out there with no suspects. These sickos have to be somewhere, living a "normal" enough life that they fly under the radar.

Absolutely
'' Not all SO are registered or known. '''

I would bet in any given community for every RSO there is at least 1 , if not more, that are not 'found out' yet !
Very good point !

 

[Abby Normal Again]

I'm a little behind, but re: 13 being too old for nickelodeon- no way. 13 is not an older teen, it's JUST the next number after 12. My kids, and their peers, of that age still watch young programming such as that. Phineas and Ferb is one of their favorite shows. Legend of Korra? Followed by MOSTLY kids over 13. I follow it! Nick & Nite is very popular with teens for all the throwbacks.

Not all kids are in a huge rush to grow up and act older... 13 isn't a magic "too big for cartooons" age.

 

[shefner]

Was Dylan's phone even turned on at any point after ~ 8 pm Sunday?

The way I understand it, no it was not. Sgt. Bender said on Nancy Grace that they tried pinging Dylan's cell phone for GPS location. But they could not get a ping at all for Sunday night meaning that they feel Dylan's phone was turned off (or perhaps ran out of battery power).

Someone please verify that I am repeating this correctly....

 

[CALSAR]

It seems to me that they are narrowing the window of ' opportunity' for said crime to have occurred to be sunday night, and therefore anything on monday morning may be irrelevant . I hope I'm wrong but this is the impression I get from the language and requests. Why bother looking at where he might ahve gone on monday morning if they feel certain he actually disappeared on sunday night?

If LE can eliminate Sunday Night with evidence, they can start rolling suspicion away from Dad. His story is credible if they can put Dylan in the house on Monday morning. At this point, it's all about the trace evidence.

I recall a case of similar nature and one year later to the day, we found the first piece of a missing 9 year old boy.

His father and Uncle had been suspects the entire year (never mentioned publicly). His statement was that his son got up very early in the AM to go out to the family truck for a bag of cookies left from the night before and was never seen again.

Until we found the top of his skull (the size of a half dollar) buried under an inch of silt on the edge of a seasonal river. The youngster had been eaten by a pack of mountain lions.

My point is that there are as many scenarios the point away from dad as point to him.

If I were the search Manager, we would be putting SAR efforts in the known feeding grounds in the area. Hunters in Durango will know were all these areas are.

The area Dylan went missing has a huge population of mountain lions:

[ame="http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128194"]Mountain Lions in Colorado - TexasBowhunter.com Community Discussion Forums[/ame]

http://www.durangoutdoors.com/wildlife/mountain-lion.htm

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Was Dylan's phone even turned on at any point after ~ 8 pm Sunday?

Good question. In the scenario of him leaving on his own Monday morning I cannot for the life of me figure out why he wouldn't have contacted his friends to tell them he was going to be coming later and didn't ride into town with his Dad. He could have landlined or used the internet to contact them (assuming Dad had internet). Surely he would have contacted them when he first woke up.

If he was abducted from his home before waking up would the abductor really take his backpack and fishing pole?

This only leaves one option.

 

[Bravo]

Was Dylan's phone even turned on at any point after ~ 8 pm Sunday?

Appears the answer is No



http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1091

 

[shefner]

At that age, my son was usually awakened by numerous texts from his friends - that's his version of an alarm clock! I wonder what time Dylan's friends started texting him Monday.

Oh good grief, you are right about that! My own kids could sleep through a thunder storm...or me yelling that they were late for school....or a train crash one street over....but they would alert like a dog to steak if they got a text at 3 am! I started texting them: TIME TO GET UP...NOW!!! My husband has always thought that was funny. But even now that my kids are in their 20's, I can still call them and they won't always pick up...but if I text, they answer right away. Pure T Craziness.

 

[vasportsmom]

The only scenario that has not been openly considered (that would be allowed under TOS at this time):

:abduction:

I'm going to be honest, if MR's statements didn't make me feel the way they do I could make the abduction theory fit in my mind.

Assuming everything MR said is true, he leaves at 7:30 and shortly thereafter Dylan wakes up. He realizes his phone is dead so he throws it on charge and grabs himself a bowl of cereal to eat while he watches Nick. There is a knock at the door and much to the surprise of the visitor a young boy answers the door instead of Mark. A predator takes advantage of the situation and here we are.


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[Psychic Sleuth]

If LE can eliminate Monday Night with evidence, they can start rolling suspicion away from Dad. His story is credible if they can put Dylan in the house on Sunday morning. At this point, it's all about the trace evidence.

I recall a case of similar nature and one year later to the day, we found the first piece of a missing 9 year old boy.

His father had been a suspect the entire year. His statement was that his son got up very early in the AM to go out to the family truck for a bag of cookies left from the night before and was never seen again.

Until we found the top of his skull (the size of a half dollar) buried under an inch of silt on the edge of a seasonal river. The youngster had been eaten by a pack of mountain lions.

My point is that there are as many scenarios the point away from dad as point to him.

If I were the search Manager, we would be putting SAR efforts in the known feeding grounds in the area. Hunters in Durango will know were all these areas are.

The area Dylan went missing has a huge population of mountain lions:

Mountain Lions in Colorado - TexasBowhunter.com Community Discussion Forums

http://www.durangoutdoors.com/wildlife/mountain-lion.htm

But the only thing that keeps nagging at me is would Dylan really not contact his friends before leaving the house? Really? There was a landline. So even if no cell service he would have picked up the landline and called. Or used the internet. I absolutely believe he would have contacted his friends if he could have before leaving that house.

 

[Bravo]

Good question. In the scenario of him leaving on his own Monday morning I cannot for the life of me figure out why he wouldn't have contacted his friends to tell them he was going to be coming later and didn't ride into town with his Dad. He could have landlined or used the internet to contact them (assuming Dad had internet). Surely he would have contacted them when he first woke up.

If he was abducted from his home before waking up would the abductor really take his backpack and fishing pole?

This only leaves one option.

Yes the Sunday 8 p.m. into Monday a.m. greatly disturbs me. No phone activity from Dylan. he is late arriving to his friends. From earlier reports he was meeting several friends. Would he not contact them to say he was hitching in and on his way. Would he not want to confirm exactly which house his friends were at since he was late? I would really like to know what time Dylans friends started calling/texting him. So much doesn't add up. Then again I am not a 13 year old boy :banghead:

 

[Abby Normal Again]

There have been other cases where sex offenders who have never been caught, or who are registered somewhere other than where they are living, attack and abduct children.

It's very conceivable that an RSO registered in another city/state could have been staying with family or friends in Vallecito and abducted Dylan somehow, and his family or friends could be concealing from LE the fact that he was in the area.

Agreeing.
In our smallish town w/o much crime, where not locking your doors is not all that uncommon- we just had a little 6 yo girl raped and murdered. The neighbor who was arrested from DNA evidence was not an RSO. He will be now, but he made it to 28 without getting on the list.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I'm going to be honest, if MR's statements didn't make me feel the way they do I could make the abduction theory fit in my mind.

Assuming everything MR said is true, he leaves at 7:30 and shortly thereafter Dylan wakes up. He realizes his phone is dead so he throws it on charge and grabs himself a bowl of cereal to eat while he watches Nick. There is a knock at the door and much to the surprise of the visitor a young boy answers the door instead of Mark. A predator takes advantage of the situation and here we are.


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But would the abductor take his backpack and fishing pole? Seriously?

 

[shefner]

I'm going to be honest, if MR's statements didn't make me feel the way they do I could make the abduction theory fit in my mind.

Assuming everything MR said is true, he leaves at 7:30 and shortly thereafter Dylan wakes up. He realizes his phone is dead so he throws it on charge and grabs himself a bowl of cereal to eat while he watches Nick. There is a knock at the door and much to the surprise of the visitor a young boy answers the door instead of Mark. A predator takes advantage of the situation and here we are.


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I know what ya mean....but even then, I can't see Dylan taking his backpack. I think he would be taken quickly straight from the door. OR....the person who rang the bell could have offered him a ride to his friend's house, but I can't see Dylan not taking his phone. I just can't see anyway at all that Dylan would not use that phone Monday morning...if it was completely dead, he would probably hook it up to charge and use it to text while it was charging. I have done that myself numerous times.

 

[Bravo]

I'm going to be honest, if MR's statements didn't make me feel the way they do I could make the abduction theory fit in my mind.

Assuming everything MR said is true, he leaves at 7:30 and shortly thereafter Dylan wakes up. He realizes his phone is dead so he throws it on charge and grabs himself a bowl of cereal to eat while he watches Nick. There is a knock at the door and much to the surprise of the visitor a young boy answers the door instead of Mark. A predator takes advantage of the situation and here we are.


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Oh and dont forget grabs "most" of Dylans items including phone and charger. Oh and a fishing rod. No sign of a struggle.

 

[Seek&Find]

Appears the answer is No



http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1091

Thx. . I know they said the last activity was that night, and this article says wasn't used after that, but I wondered if it had even been turned on. I agree with others. There's no scenario with a happy ending where the phone was with Dylan but never powered on again, IMO.

The pieces of info shared thus far don't seem to fit together.

For example, dad keeps highlighting how important Dylan's friends are to him, and I believe that. So, why no contact since ~ 8 pm? That's why I'd love an interviewer to ask dad abt that contradiction and see how he reacts/what he says. Does he say the phone ran out of power on the drive, and it was plugged in charging when dad left? Or he thinks Dylan forgot to plug it in? Or say he'd confiscated it the night before, but it's missing from where dad put it or...? Wonder what type of phone Dylan had? Basic, as he's 13, or iPhone/droid/smartphone since he's a techy, texty kid? What was his last GPS location, per the phone?

Too many questions in this one. I'm sure LE has more info than we do. Hope they have enough to find him soon.

Moo

 

[shefner]

I find everything about MR suspicious...and I'm not revealing any sleuthing, just sharing my opinion.
I will apologize profusely if I'm wrong. I have said this in the last 3 cases....but I haven't had to apologize yet. Even so, there's a first time for everything.

 

[Darcyline]

But would the abductor take his backpack and fishing pole? Seriously?

If it is a friend or a neighbor or someone he knows it could have went down like this
Hey Dylan, want to go fishing? You can also charge your phone down at the dock

Dylan grabs fishing pole and backpack.


I am not sure I believed that happened, but I am surprised people seem to be ignoring that stuff like that has happened before. In fact, a lot of recent children's abduction cases I can think of happened with someone who knew the person somehow and they "lured" rather than forced.


I also don't know anyone under the age of 18 who would even register that a landline was a phone they could use. I am impressed that so many of you have kids who would use one rather than waiting a minute or two to use their cellphones.