CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #7

[cluciano63]

Did Dylan and his friends have any intention of doing any fishing at all? Surely the friends would know. His mom kind of makes it sound like he was not the fishing type, but perhaps when in Durango...

Also how many adults could he possibly know in the area with whom he would agree to spend the morning fishing until his father got back? Just trying to think who could show up and offer to take him fishing to pass the hours. Can't be that many people.

I hate to be so stuck on the non-usage of the phone, but LE seems to be, as does his mother. No one seems to think it is possible he would have done anything without texting about it. Otherwise, I think it is entirely possible he left with someone he knew, or set out on foot and accepted a ride.

 

[callyn]

My point is, if he was attacked by a mountain lion, since he had his backpack with him, they would likely find something.
They found nothing.

Nevermind, deleted post

 

[Elley Mae]

LE ruled out lost in the woods. Would that include attacked by mountain lions in the woods??

I was under the impression it was a criminal investigation, are mountain lions now considered criminals?

 

[LotusPawprint]

I agree. But how long would it take? Landlines are a bit different from cell phones. LE would need a search warrant or subpeona to get the info. MR could probably call the phone company and get records right away? I'm not sure. Anyone else know?

Salem

I don't know about the subpeona but I know myself with Verizon Landline, I can log-on to my account online and see my call history, ingoing and outcoming, up to the current date. Even if MR doesn't have the internet or an online account, he could easily set one up with his billing information or someone could help him, if he was willing to. This is just for Verizon though, I can't speak for any other companies.

Also, when Sgt. Bender was on NG last week (what day was that? Wed. I believe), she asked him if there had been any activity on dad's home phone or computer (I believe the inquiry as to dad having a computer was an assumption on her part) and Sgt Bender gave a statement along the lines of ... that's something the investigators are looking into, I cannot comment at the moment. I can try to find the exact quote. I'm certain that's been looked into. Well, hopeful.

 

[Londonrraine]

NEED HELP W/Another Missing Girl case: Someone please help me? I'm looking into the missing "Natalie Woolerton" from N.J. Can someone help me with info about LE putting out an Alert for her??
I don't know where to go for info. I'm curious about AMBER/Other type of Alert for her??
Here's Natalie's Info: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...40864236.49739.222558184447365&type=1&theater

Please reply <modsnip>. Thank you!

Sorry about my response here! This message is for Salem: "We can get a thread set up for her, if someone has not already done that."
That would be great, thank you! I'm so worried about this girl and not enough is being done...so it appears. :? Thank you!
Let me know if I can do something, although all I know is what's on that FB page and in the news.

 

[cindysue]

IIRC, Dylan's father had bought him a new fishing pole? Right?

Makes me wonder if any of Dylan's old fishing poles had been available. If not? Or even so proof of new pole gone, which could be proven to have been bought.

If one were going to set up a nafarious scenario where one would look as one went missing accidentally or even possibly otherwise, having a new pole and pole missing, first focus would be on the lake and end there with no results and perp would/might get away with it. A Plan! Know what I am trying to say? Missing fishing pole!

I know! :waitasec:

I think I know what ur saying. Your saying the fishing pole is the excuse if they find Dylan in the lake? A setup to make his death look like an accident? Is that what you mean?

 

[callyn]

I was under the impression it was a criminal investigation, are mountain lions now considered criminals?

We discuss possibilities here, right? If not, so sorry.

ETA: I know we don't discuss far out possibilities that are outlandish. I don't feel this is outlandish though, but this will be the last time I post about m. lions.

 

[vasportsmom]

Could be, but I think we start stretching past Occam's with these scenarios, IMO. Someone happens to stop by on the morning Dylan's there while his father isn't and coincidentally Dylan's phone isn't charged/turned on/used since ~ 8 pm, manages to convince Dylan to leave with him/her so it's probably a trusted someone who didn't know Dylan was visiting :waitasec:, grabs Dylan's things and a fishing pole...

Which brings something up. Iirc, LE has the ability to reverse search for cells, right? Ie see which phones pinged a certain tower at a certain location within a certain timeframe...

Moo

That is a really good question. LE can find out what (if any) cell phones were in the area of MR's home during the relevant hours, right? And then they can do a reverse look up to identify the owners of those numbers? I imagine it wouldn't be a quick process but it could open up new directions if they are stumped (which I don't believe).

Btw, I agree with your assessment of the friendly abductor theory. I think the simplest solution is the correct one in this case. Dylan was dead shortly after the cell phone went silent.


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[Bravo]

I was under the impression it was a criminal investigation, are mountain lions now considered criminals?

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Sorry but that made me laugh. I need to laugh. This is a heartbreaker. All these cases are. Some tug a little harder than others. And it's the holidays. I think i need a good cry now.

 

[LotusPawprint]

Something I have considered is if LE has all of Dylan's cell communications (and dad's landline calls too), if there are any disposable cells that could be a problem. Big ole *Just a thought* but I recall a statement from LE saying they had contacted everyone they could identify who had spent time with Dylan. Are they people they couldn't ID? Always a possibility someone he came in contact with is untraceable.

btw- I'm blanking.. what are they called, not "disposable cells".. not "pay as you go".. I'm having a senior moment. Way too young. Help !

 

[Bravo]

We discuss possibilities here, right? If not, so sorry.

We do. Dont be sorry.

 

[cindysue]

Did Dylan and his friends have any intention of doing any fishing at all? Surely the friends would know. His mom kind of makes it sound like he was not the fishing type, but perhaps when in Durango...

Also how many adults could he possibly know in the area with whom he would agree to spend the morning fishing until his father got back? Just trying to think who could show up and offer to take him fishing to pass the hours. Can't be that many people.

I hate to be so stuck on the non-usage of the phone, but LE seems to be, as does his mother. No one seems to think it is possible he would have done anything without texting about it. Otherwise, I think it is entirely possible he left with someone he knew, or set out on foot and accepted a ride.

Also he got to the fathers house after dark supposedly anyway, and if no one saw him arrive then how would they know for sure he was even there, if the dad told someone he was coming, how would they know he didn't leave in the morning his dad did. That should narrow things down imo

 

[nursebeeme]

I'm behind again, but after reading the article from Seek&Find (thank you!) linked on page 1 of this thread - I really think that someone Dylan knew came and picked him up.

I'm hoping they have checked the phone records for the land line at Dad's house. Dylan either made prior arrangements for someone to come and get him or someone showed up and told him to grab his things and let's go. OR Dylan called someone from Dad's landline and they came and got him. I don't think Dylan left by himself - someone came and got him. Someone Dylan trusted and was willing to go with.

That's what I think

Salem

ETA: Here is the link again: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22108222#ixzz2DtmrBa3t

I completely agree with you on that Salem

 

[demetra]

How would he go with friends if his arrangement involved his father dropping him off? His friends live far away from where he was.

IMO perhaps his friends have older siblings that drive? Perhaps he told a friend to tell their mom his dad said he could go and ask her to come get him? I have no clue what his last text to friends that evening was,maybe he didn't asked to be picked up maybe he thought he could get there on his own hitching.Was his phone completely charged,so he could have called or text?

 

[Salem]

NEED HELP W/Another Missing Girl case: Someone please help me? I'm looking into the missing "Natalie Woolerton" from N.J. Can someone help me with info about LE putting out an Alert for her??
I don't know where to go for info. I'm curious about AMBER/Other type of Alert for her??
Here's Natalie's Info: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...40864236.49739.222558184447365&type=1&theater

Please reply <modsnip>. Thank you!

Here ya go: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8599596#post8599596"]NJ NJ - Natalie Woolerton, 16, *Autistic*, Ocean City, 11-28-2012 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Thanks for caring about Natalie!

Salem

 

[DylansMom34]

Something I have considered is if LE has all of Dylan's cell communications (and dad's landline calls too), if there are any disposable cells that could be a problem. Big ole *Just a thought* but I recall a statement from LE saying they had contacted everyone they could identify who had spent time with Dylan. Are they people they couldn't ID? Always a possibility someone he came in contact with is untraceable.

btw- I'm blanking.. what are they called, not "disposable cells".. not "pay as you go".. I'm having a senior moment. Way too young. Help !

Do these disposable cells ping? I'm assuming they must...

I wonder if LE could determine if there were any pings near Dylan's dad's house...

 

[Londonrraine]

Here ya go: NJ NJ - Natalie Woolerton, 16, *Autistic*, Ocean City, 11-28-2012 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thanks for caring about Natalie!

Salem

Thank you so much!

 

[JaimeSommers]

I'm behind again, but after reading the article from Seek&Find (thank you!) linked on page 1 of this thread - I really think that someone Dylan knew came and picked him up.

RSBM ... This is the focus of my questions for today -- sort of.

-- Who did MR tell about Dylan's visit? For example (speculating), MR tells a friend or coworker that Dylan is coming and he can't wait to see him. Maybe this friend/coworker knows Dylan and, in talking to MR, finds out MR has an appointment the first day and banks on Dylan being alone at home for a while.

-- Did MR say whether he locked the front door when he left? Could anyone have walked in, or would Dylan have had to open the door for them? If it's a rural area, maybe MR leaves the place unlocked. It boggles my mind how many people I know (rural and not) who leave their homes open all day and night.

-- Are any of MR's friends/coworkers RSO's?

Just trying to think of other scenarios other than the one churning around in my gut.

 

[cluciano63]

It does seem like a possibility to figure out whose cell phones were in the area that morning, depending on how specific they can be with regards to location. At least it is not a block in midtown Manhattan.

 

[Eileen730]

To me, this sounds like typical teenager behavior. Go, go, go until you drop.

What would cause him to be so tired?
He didnt fly coast to coast.
No time change.
hes 13 not 73..
Used to gettig up early.
It was Sunday not a school day
I cant understand why he would be so tired.

He was probably tired because he was bored.
If he was there!