CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #8

[Seajay]

I missed the whole thing where there were PO and domestic violence, etc. in this case. First off, I thought we weren't allowed to sleuth MR, secondly, I thought we were told yesterday we could not talk about domestic violence and orders of protection as they were not relevant to the case and yet I keep seeing references to them. Are there MSM links now on this I missed??? Did the rules change again??

I have to admit I had to do the "speed reading" version to catch up today, you know, read every 5 pages til I aught up to see if there was anything new, so I may have missed where links were provided to domestic violence and orders of protection. TIA.

 

[Kamille]

Huh? I have never seen so much speculation re the father on WS while the mother can do no wrong! MOO.

Well the father is in the unfortunate position of being the last person to have seen Dylan. The mother, from what I understand, was pretty far away at the time he disappeared. So naturally the focus here is going to be on the last person to have seen him.

And while LE have not officially named him or anyone else as a POI, it stands to reason that he would be considered one if only for that reason.

If I'm not mistaken I believe there were some of the same LE agencies involved in the Jessica Ridgeway disappearance/murder (FBI, CBI?) and they were pretty quick to clear both parent's in that case. So far we have not had any official word that MR has been cleared.

MOO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think it's because of the number of mothers who have had similar past relationships/divorces. MOO

That is why I put aside my own past experiences when looking at cases and do not let my mind become biased. I do not compare the cases to my own as I have no clue what really happened in this marriage and who was at fault. Frankly I doubt either was perfect. We have no idea who was controlling or who was treated like crap......could be both of them were.

I just think it has a way of clouding my judgment if I equate ex-relationships with my own.

Its no different to me than another female automatically believing a female claiming abuse without questioning it. I have seen some women who were abused and if a woman claims abuse they will automatically believe it because they had been abused too. Not me....I question everything and I was abused in my childhood and adulthood. Women can be some of the biggest liars ever......yeah even about being abused too. We have even seen cases where the female lied when she said she was abused.

IMO

 

[Eileen730]

Please provide the link for "they" TIA!

Well lets seee
Its on 2 local news interviews with the father.
<modsnip>
but ill go look yet again....
Maybe that uncut interview!

 

[Bravo]

MR is definitely still on my radar. But sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. What we would do or what makes sense to us is not what others would think. Look at this place, so many different takes on just about anything, the most minute detail is analyzed and reanalyzed ad naseum. And many times we don't agree. So how can we expect these people to be just like us or think just like us and act just like us??

So true. I just look at the big picture as to what is reasonable and what makes sense. There is much here that doesn't make sense. I think LE can shed a lot of light on our questions. Wish they would but i respect they are still Investigating. In due time.......Right now tho I just wish they could find Dylan. Just bouncing of your post.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well the father is in the unfortunate position of being the last person to have seen Dylan. The mother, from what I understand, was pretty far away at the time he disappeared. So naturally the focus here is going to be on the last person to have seen him.

And while LE have not officially named him or anyone else as a POI, it stands to reason that he would be considered one if only for that reason.

If I'm not mistaken I believe there were some of the same LE agencies involved in the Jessica Ridgeway disappearance/murder (FBI, CBI?) and they were pretty quick to clear both parent's in that case. So far we have not had any official word that MR has been cleared.

MOO

I havent heard them specifically rule out Elaine either.......have you?

I dont believe this is the same jurisdiction and every jurisdiction is different and has different SOPs.

The FBI nor the CBI are in the lead. The local law enforcement is always the lead agency and makes the decisions whether anyone will be publicly ruled out or not.

IMO

 

[Eileen730]

Please provide the link for "they" TIA!

"They"= news anchor and said "there are court documents of protective orders
from before and after the marriage.

 

[Ronso]

Women can be some of the biggest liars ever.....

Everybody lies.

 

[DylansMom34]

The two parents have been way far apart from the very beginning. We have yet to see them making any kind of joint statement or joint plea for the return of or help finding their child.

Despite not being the presidents of each others' fan clubs, my ex and I would come together if something happened to one of our kids. Of course, if one of us had reason to believe the other harmed the child, I don't know.

I really don't think we can fairly judge this situation, on either side, unless we have been involved in something similar. MOO

 

[Rougelatete]

moo..moo

In addition to the issues with dad's statements the one single, solitary issue for me that is impossible to explain away is the very simple fact that according to dad Dylan spent the night there, refused to get up to go to his friends the following morning(the same friends that dad repeats were so very very important to Dylan to go spend time with) but rather slept in, and then somehow supposedly set out to get to his friends after 730 Monday morning...

Yet Dylan's phone has never once been powered on since Sunday night..you simply cannot explain that away. There is zero possibility that Dylan's phone would not have been CHARGED AND POWERED ON MONDAY MORNING WHATEVER TIME WHEN DYLAN GOT UP..

I DON'T CARE IF DYLAN WAS SICK, IN A BAD MOOD, SAD, OR ANY OTHER HUMAN EMOTION THERE IS..DYLAN REDWINE WOULD HAVE POWERED THAT PHONE ON REGARDLESS OF HOW HE FELT, WHAT , OR WHERE HE WANTED TO GO..HIS CELL PHONE WOULD HAVE BEEN POWERED ON, PERIOD!

:seeya: Hi SmoothOperator -- It's good to see you!

90% of me agrees with what you wrote -- Dylan would have grabbed his phone the second he woke up and started texting. But, there's 10% of me that could see some possibility that Dylan was awoken by a knock at the door -- some friendly face, a neighbor, a friend of his dad's -- who then invited Dylan into his truck, offering him a ride. Dylan ate some quick breakfast before grabbing his backpack and fishing pole and hopping into that vehicle, not to be seen again. And, in that flurry of activity, didn't have a chance to send of his first text of the day. I wish we had more information to guide us.

 

[Seek&Find]

The FBI nor the CBI are in the lead. The local law enforcement is always the lead agency and makes the decisions whether anyone will be publicly ruled out or not.

SBM

Do you have a link for this?

 

[Seajay]

Well the father is in the unfortunate position of being the last person to have seen Dylan. The mother, from what I understand, was pretty far away at the time he disappeared. So naturally the focus here is going to be on the last person to have seen him.

And while LE have not officially named him or anyone else as a POI, it stands to reason that he would be considered one if only for that reason.

If I'm not mistaken I believe there were some of the same LE agencies involved in the Jessica Ridgeway disappearance/murder (FBI, CBI?) and they were pretty quick to clear both parent's in that case. So far we have not had any official word that MR has been cleared.

MOO

Did we have offical word the mother was cleared???

AFAWK, the Dad is the last one to ADMIT he saw Dylan, that's different then possibly being the last person to see Dylan. KWIM?

 

[Tennlyn]

That is why I put aside my own past experiences when looking at cases and do not let my mind become biased. I do not compare the cases to my own as I have no clue what really happened in this marriage and who was at fault. Frankly I doubt either was perfect. We have no idea who was controlling or who was treated like crap......could be both of them were.

I just think it has a way of clouding my judgment if I equate ex-relationships with my own.

Its no different to me than another female automatically believing a female claiming abuse without questioning it. I have seen some women who were abused and if a woman claims abuse they will automatically believe it because they had been abused too. Not me....I question everything and I was abused in my childhood and adulthood. Women can be some of the biggest liars ever......yeah even about being abused too. We have even seen cases where the female lied when she said she was abused.

IMO

I'm guessing far more men have lied about being abusive than women have lied about being abused. In fact, when accused of domestic violence, how many batterers (male or female) admit it?

MOO

 

[Seajay]

So true. I just look at the big picture as to what is reasonable and what makes sense. There is much here that doesn't make sense. I think LE can shed a lot of light on our questions. Wish they would but i respect they are still Investigating. In due time.......Right now tho I just wish they could find Dylan. Just bouncing of your post.

For sure! And the most worrisome part is the time that has passed. Each day the passes with no word from Dylan it gets worse and worse.

 

[Annie1004]

Well the father is in the unfortunate position of being the last person to have seen Dylan. The mother, from what I understand, was pretty far away at the time he disappeared. So naturally the focus here is going to be on the last person to have seen him.

And while LE have not officially named him or anyone else as a POI, it stands to reason that he would be considered one if only for that reason.

If I'm not mistaken I believe there were some of the same LE agencies involved in the Jessica Ridgeway disappearance/murder (FBI, CBI?) and they were pretty quick to clear both parent's in that case. So far we have not had any official word that MR has been cleared.

MOO

I was responding to another poster's opinion that dad was getting a pass while we were being tough on mom (paraphrased). It appears the opposite is true, IMO.

Of course, dad needs to be looked at intensely because DR's disappearance occurred on his watch. But for mom to state publicly that dad may have something to do with DR's disappearance is unwarranted, IMO. Tell LE, family and friends, not the public! This causes all sorts of speculation and rumors and takes the focus off DR. People love the salacious aspect.

 

[FruitTingles]

Not sure if this has been posted or discussed already (I'm really behind and trying to keep up so please forgive me!) but NG is doing a follow up on Dylan's case tonight, ER is on with her but MR is not.

Thoughts on this?


http://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine?ref=stream


I hope it will not be like what I'm thinking it will be....

 

[Tennlyn]

I missed the whole thing where there were PO and domestic violence, etc. in this case. First off, I thought we weren't allowed to sleuth MR, secondly, I thought we were told yesterday we could not talk about domestic violence and orders of protection as they were not relevant to the case and yet I keep seeing references to them. Are there MSM links now on this I missed??? Did the rules change again??

I have to admit I had to do the "speed reading" version to catch up today, you know, read every 5 pages til I aught up to see if there was anything new, so I may have missed where links were provided to domestic violence and orders of protection. TIA.

Here's the link to the story and video. The video is what mentions the protective orders. 9news said they are trying to get the court records.
http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=302378

 

[momrids6]

"They"= news anchor and said "there are court documents of protective orders
from before and after the marriage.

The only media link I have seen said protective orders were issued- period. I
would like to see the link were they were issued both before and after please.


ETA: we were told discussion of DV and those orders were off limits as we do not have the paperwork on either.

no where has the disposition of these accusations and orders been substantiated in MSM

 

[Kamille]

I havent heard them specifically rule out Elaine either.......have you?I dont believe this is the same jurisdiction and every jurisdiction is different and has different SOPs.

The FBI nor the CBI are in the lead. The local law enforcement is always the lead agency and makes the decisions whether anyone will be publicly ruled out or not.

IMO

BBM

I have not heard that ER is ruled out either. I haven't read any plausible theories here on WS that involve her but then I admit to skipping pages while trying to get caught up.

Do we have any plausible theories that involve her?

MOO

 

[SCHMAE]

I just wanted to throw this out there. I'm on a facebook page called seeking the lost. Are any of you on that page ? There is a story on there today that is heart breaking, well they all are , but this one struck me.

12/3/2012: Missing Liz Stonger Case Update: Liz's car found with body inside: Marion, North Carolina: An investigation is underway after the North Carolina Highway Patrol found the vehicle of a missing woman down an embankment off a road.

Troopers say they found the car of missing Belmont mother Elizabeth "Liz" Stonger on Monday morning. Stonger hasn't been seen since she was last seen Sunday, October 14th at the Belmont Walmart.

According to troopers, the vehicle found down an embankment off Spooky Hollow Road off of U.S. Highway 221 in southern McDowell County.

A body of a woman was found inside the car, troopers told WBTV, but they have not confirmed the identity of the woman inside. Investigators believe the body has been there for a while.

The vehicle was pulled out of the embankment just after noon on Monday afternoon.

Troopers on scene told WBTV they believe this was an accident, because it happened near a curve.



Ok so this woman has been missing for over a month.
What strikes me is it ' s just such an actual, literal accident.
I'm sure her family assumed she took off or met with foul play.
Turns out her car fell into that one spot that no one could see
it and shes' been there all this time driving home from the store.

So i've made plenty of assumptions in the Dylan Redwine case.
But I've tried very , very hard to keep an open mind and in
the back of my mind I keep wondering if there has been a horrible
freak accident .
Of course it's horrible but would it be better to have a freak accident
than to know someone who he loved and trusted harmed him?
Anyway, rant over.