CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #9

[Money Girl]

Mom contradicted the idea that Dylan wouldn't wake up today on NG. Mom says Dylan was really good about waking up when needed.

Mom allowed Dylan to stay up until 4 a.m. on the day he traveled to Durango. So, of course, he was extremely tired his first night with Dad. I understand him going to bed early and sleeping in perfectly.

 

[jjenny]

Everyone keeps using this 8:00 p.m. like it is some sort of definitive timeline. I don't think they were home by 8:00 p.m. Especially after the NG show tonight. ER said Dylan texted her at 7:06 p.m. (iirc). So, in my mind, they were just leaving the airport. Then they stopped at Walmart, then McDonald's. Estimating an hour between the 2 places, they probably didn't head for home until 8:00 p.m. It was a 45 min. to an hour drive, correct? So they didn't get home until 9:00ish. My understanding is that Bayfield is another 30 to 45 min. away. That would have put them at the friend's around 9:30ish give or take some.

Plus it was Dylan's first night. MR probably thought Dylan should spend the first night with him.

I didn't think it was a big deal and it all sounded normal to me.

JMO,

Salem

Around 8 pm was reportedly the last time there was some activity on Dylan's cell phone. So some people naturally assumed it was because he arrived at home and went to sleep.

 

[Bravo]

Elaine just wants her Son found and her Son back. She would gain nothing by lying about him???? She is a terrified Mother. Why would she keep focus on her Ex and not on just finding her Son. Some may argue what i just stated. I ask do you really think Cory or the rest of the Family would stand by and listen to Mom lie when they so desperately want Dylan home. Perhaps Mom was terrified about sending him. We dont know.

 

[Confusion]

Good question. I think if he got that angry at a neighbor over a broken toy, that he must have a volatile temper.

Also, if you read through that transcript by Peachy, of his interview in the video store, one thing really jumps out. He said about 5 or 6 times, that Dylan's ' 'priority'is his friends. And he makes a point of saying several times that he is fine with that. He says how important Dylan's friends are to him, and says they are important to him as well/

So with all of that emphasis upon how important Dylan's friends are to him, and KNOWING that he has important appointments ALL MORNING the next day, why didn't he just drop Dylan off at his friends , as originally planned?

Makes me wonder if they might have argued a bit about that on the way home...

First, it didn't sound like MR was told about the plans to go there Sunday night, Dylan asked him that night. In addition to that, Dylan had been up until 4(I think) that morning, and would be unlikely to get to his friend's place until 9:30-10:00. I think that would have been irresponsible to take him there, although in hindsight would still probably have been a good idea.
MOO

 

[katydid23]

I was arrested for assault one time! A guy I had broken up with left a note on my car saying I had left a couple things at his place and I should stop after work and pick them up. I did, and he pulled a gun on me, then called 911 to have me arrested. I asked him for probably the 3rd and 4th time if the gun was loaded while he was talking to the dispatcher, and when he said no, I just said I was out of there and left. About 30 minutes later a couple officers come knocking on my door and told me the "allegations", and asked me if it was self defense. I said I never believed he would shoot me if that's what they were asking. They tried to get me to say I was afraid or it was SD, and finally arrested me (because in any accusation of DV they have to arrest someone there.) I tried to plead guilty just to get out of there rather than going back repeatedly, etc., but the judge wouldn't let me. Eventually the charges were dropped - he had told the dispatcher that he wanted me arrested because "he was afraid that once I found out his gun wasn't loaded, I'd take it away from him and hit him over the head with it!" I never assume there has to be a good reason for an arrest!
:jail:

Wow. I am glad you got rid of that guy. What a good relationship to see from the rear view mirror, going 65. Good riddance.

 

[Confusion]

Wow. I am glad you got rid of that guy. What a good relationship to see from the rear view mirror, going 65. Good riddance.

I may not have gotten revenge, but karma got a good bite out of him. I thought it was funny when I went to get a RO against him, and he tried playing Perry Mason in court. "Isn't it true that..." , "Am I correct in assuming..." and things like that. The judge finally told him that if he didn't have any pertinent questions to ask to sit down and shut up because his questions alone proved my case of harassment. The judge told me I should have filed charges againt him for harassment, but I said I'd rather just have him gone. The bailiff even walked me to my car.

 

[Bravo]

Mom allowed Dylan to stay up until 4 a.m. on the day he traveled to Durango. So, of course, he was extremely tired his first night with Dad. I understand him going to bed early and sleeping in perfectly.

We dont know Mom "allowed" Dylan to stay up. Perhaps he couldn't sleep. It has been stated in a few Interviews that Dylan wasn't happy about going.

 

[bessie]

Exactly. So why didnt he just take him to his friends that night, as planned. He seemed to know Dylan wasnt going to get up at 6:30, and dad had errands all morning. Why make the kid stay home alone when he could be with his friends while dad went to the divorce attorney? I still don't get that. It was 8 pm or so, not that late imo.

Maybe because he's Dylan's father, and he loves him, and missed him the months they were apart. Maybe he just wanted Dylan at home with him the first night, even if Dylan was just asleep on the sofa. I would have done the same in his place.

 

[MsFacetious]

Oh really? Was their child abducted or did they disappear? Can't think of anything worse than that. jmo

Ethan Stacy was brutally abused and beaten for days before he finally died.
He was court ordered to visit the mother he barely knew in another state.
She buried him on the mountain with dog food so the animals would eat him. :furious:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105719&page=24&highlight=ethan+stacy


Lily Furneaux's mother was threatened by the JUDGE with LOSING custody if she raised concerns about Dad/stepmother.
She did not have the option to keep Lily when Lily screamed in fear not to go. She would have lost custody completely!
TWO year old Lily was raped, beaten and murdered by that stepmother the concerns were being voiced about. :tears:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120606&page=7&highlight=furneaux

And of course Josh Powell blew up both of his kids, the court just had to give him "supervised" visitation at his pretend house.

There are plenty of examples of parents being FORCED to allowed their children to visit the other parent.
The kids have been raped, beaten, disappeared and murdered. It has certainly happened far more than the few I listed here. :twocents:

 

[Salem]

Elaine just wants her Son found and her Son back. She would gain nothing by lying about him???? She is a terrified Mother. Why would she keep focus on her Ex and not on just finding her Son. Some may argue what i just stated. I ask do you really think Cory or the rest of the Family would stand by and listen to Mom lie when they so desperately want Dylan home. Perhaps Mom was terrified about sending him. We dont know.

I don't think anyone argues this. The same can be said about his father. He wants his son back. He is a terrified father because he doesn't know what happened to his son.

This is a fractured family facing a crisis of the largest proportion, they need to work together to find Dylan. AND we need to remember that there is NO POI or Suspect in this case. LE has not cleared either parent, brothers, sisters, cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents or strangers.

The investigation appears to be advancing and hopefully there will be a break soon. But at this point, we can't just disregard the fact that a stranger abduction is a possibility. Especially given the close proximity of RSOs very interested in child .

Salem

 

[katydid23]

Everyone keeps using this 8:00 p.m. like it is some sort of definitive timeline. I don't think they were home by 8:00 p.m. Especially after the NG show tonight. ER said Dylan texted her at 7:06 p.m. (iirc). So, in my mind, they were just leaving the airport. Then they stopped at Walmart, then McDonald's. Estimating an hour between the 2 places, they probably didn't head for home until 8:00 p.m. It was a 45 min. to an hour drive, correct? So they didn't get home until 9:00ish. My understanding is that Bayfield is another 30 to 45 min. away. That would have put them at the friend's around 9:30ish give or take some.

Plus it was Dylan's first night. MR probably thought Dylan should spend the first night with him.

I didn't think it was a big deal and it all sounded normal to me.

JMO,



Salem

ETA: Also, I don't think it was "planned" for Dylan to go see his friends upon arrival. I think that was planned between Dylan and his friends, without parental input. Children should consult with parents before making plans to stay overnight or make late visits to others, in my opinion.

I agree with most of the above, except I think the drive to his friends house Bayfield is only 14 miles away. So probably not a 30 to 45 minute drive.

But I do understand what you are saying. My point is only that he knew he was busy all the next morning, and he knew his son wasnt getting up at 6:30.

So he was just going to sit there alone.

What do you think about the lack of checking in with Dylan. Personally, I find it odd that he didn't call the cell or the landline that morning, to say he was coming back soon, etc. It just does not make sense to me that he wouyld drive back without calling home to say, I am coming back, do u need anything, are you ready for your ride?

And even odder, imo, that he was not more concerned that his son was missing. JMO

 

[MsFacetious]

We dont know Mom "allowed" Dylan to stay up. Perhaps he couldn't sleep. It has been stated in a few Interviews that Dylan wasn't happy about going.

At 13, I was doing WAY more than staying up till 4am.
I was outside, hanging out with people twice my age and doing dangerous things.

How do you "let" your child stay up that late if you are sleeping?
If you are not sleeping, maybe you are spending time with your child before they leave?

 

[Bravo]

I can totally understand MR not wanting his Son to go off to friends that first night. It's many other things about this case that have my attention.

 

[jjenny]

I can totally understand MR not wanting his Son to go off to friends that first night. It's many other things about this case that have my attention.

I can understand it too. But it probably didn't make for a happy teenager. Teenagers usually don't like when they are told they can not do something they want to do.

 

[Powergirl]

Nevemind about when the custody was awarded I now see it was sept 21 and dad was unhappy that the court awarded mom the sole custody and the he received court ordered visitation.. Duh..what does he expect when the child lives with mom regardless of where and he travels for a living..seems to me that would be the only fair and just custody decision by the courts in the best interest of the child.. No surprise there..jmo.

I think that it IS significant for the very reason you stated....the court found it in the best interest of Dylan to allow him to move away. Dylan grew up in that area, went to school there, had friends and activities there, father lived there; normally courts place a high premium on maintaining stability for children. Despite ER having residential responsibility, the court could well have denied her request to move Dylan, particularly if MR was contesting the relocation. Instead, the court authorized the move, essentially deeming that to be in Dylan's best-interest. Whatever MR's argument was, the court found in favor of ER's petititon, the final decree only recently being given out September 21. This was Dylan's very first visit under that new order; the last one (over the Labor Day holiday, at the beginning of September) occured while ER and MR were still awaiting the judge's ruling.
Even if you disregard what ER said about MR not utilizing his visitation regularly in the past, the court's ruling could quite possibly reflect just that; if MR was not availing himself of the parenting time that he legally had with Dylan, all the more reason for the court to allow ER to move with their son....

 

[Dr. Know?]

One thing I know about Dylan's age from experience of my own youth and from knowing so many 12-13 year olds and beyond. That age can turn into rude little kids (puberty/hormones). Who knows, something could set someone off, even an adult with a 'tude. No reason a child should be taken away, harmed or missing though. Sucks.

jmo

 

[mck16]

Ethan Stacy was brutally abused and beaten for days before he finally died.
He was court ordered to visit the mother he barely knew in another state.
She buried him on the mountain with dog food so the animals would eat him. :furious:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105719&page=24&highlight=ethan+stacy


Lily Furneaux's mother was threatened by the JUDGE with LOSING custody if she raised concerns about Dad/stepmother.
She did not have the option to keep Lily when Lily screamed in fear not to go. She would have lost custody completely!
TWO year old Lily was raped, beaten and murdered by that stepmother the concerns were being voiced about. :tears:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120606&page=7&highlight=furneaux

And of course Josh Powell blew up both of his kids, the court just had to give him "supervised" visitation at his pretend house.

There are plenty of examples of parents being FORCED to allowed their children to visit the other parent.
The kids have been raped, beaten, disappeared and murdered. It has certainly happened far more than the few I listed here. :twocents:

That is my point. those children should never have gone. jmo

 

[jjenny]

That is my point. those children should never have gone. jmo

What makes you think that it's just fine to disregard a court order?

 

[Confusion]

I think that it IS significant for the very reason you stated....the court found it in the best interest of Dylan to allow him to move away. Dylan grew up in that area, went to school there, had friends and activities there, father lived there; normally courts place a high premium on maintaining stability for children. Despite ER having residential responsibility, the court could well have denied her request to move Dylan, particularly if MR was contesting the relocation. Instead, the court authorized the move, essentially deeming that to be in Dylan's best-interest. Whatever MR's argument was, the court found in favor of ER's petititon, the final decree only recently being given out September 21. This was Dylan's very first visit under that new order; the last one (over the Labor Day holiday, at the beginning of September) occured while ER and MR were still awaiting the judge's ruling.
Even if you disregard what ER said about MR not utilizing his visitation regularly in the past, the court's ruling could quite possibly reflect just that; if MR was not availing himself of the parenting time that he legally had with Dylan, all the more reason for the court to allow ER to move with their son....

I believe that decision was probably made because she moved more than 2 months before she was granted primary custody.

 

[Bravo]

I can understand it too. But it probably didn't make for a happy teenager. Teenagers usually don't like when they are told they can not do something they want to do.

Agree. And i just cant see a 13 year old just saying ok and going off to sleep. Dad doesn't spend any time with him at that point? Perhaps Dylan was angry so Dad went off to bed. Then i can see Dylan texting and texting how mad he is to his friends. All he had to do was plug in his phone. Some might say perhaps Dad took it away. If that's the case sounds like that visit started off on the right foot. Not.