CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #9

[Seajay]

My mom has a big pink rotary phone exactly like that. She keeps it kind of for a joke. But the first time she showed my kids how it worked, and we had them
dial it, and wait for each number to turn, they died laughing. It even has DAvenport, our old prefix printed on it. lol

It's fun to look at now. Telephones have evolved. My kids only know about the rotary because their grandmother had one. I remember the FAirfax and Terminal Island and FRontier prefixes from when I was a kid.

 

[Seajay]

You are presuming that MR contested the change in custodial arrangements because he wanted see his son more often. There is also another alternative, however, it may simply be because MR wanted what he wanted, he wanted HIS son (emphasis on the possessive) to be where he wanted Dylan to be....whether or not MR utilized his awarded parenting time and/or chooses to be invested in Dylan's life is different thing altogether.

Well, I don't know that so I'm going with giving benefit of doubt. That's sort of how I roll.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

With my daughter in AZ, her ex didn't pay a dime but still gave him visitation. When he threw them all out and they had to come live with me in CA, she would drive half way and he would drive half way for him to have visitation with the kids. I don't remember it being court ordered though. She would not withhold the kids from their father just because he was a dead beat dad.

IMO child support and visitation are two seperate issues, holding a childs relationship with the other parent to ransom for child support is immature, selfish and hurts the kids most of all.

 

[Indy Anna]

I totally agree. I would have probably made him stay with me the first night too. But what bugs me is the dichotomy between what MR says and what he does.

For example, he says Dylan is his whole world, and he fights to get that court ordered visitation, and he makes him stay home the first night, but yet he seemed to almost 'ignore' him the next day. No call to check in, no call to say I am on the way back to pick you up, no urgent concern when he is missing upon the return home. Five hours passes before he goes to see if he arrived anywhere safely. In contrast to Dad's words, his actions seem to be in conflict.JMO

BBM
This has concerned me, too. I don't have kids, but most parents I know (including those I baby-sat for) and my own mother, would call in from time to time and let me know when they would be home. MR had told DR, by his own admission, that he would be back home at 11:00 a.m. Monday but said he didn't get home until 11:30 a.m. The one-way trip to/from Durango is about an hour's drive. Why didn't MR call Dylan before heading home to let him know when he'd be there?

One thought is that when MR didn't arrive home at 11:00 as promised, Dylan set out on his own. Problem is, there is only one road going to and from the Lake area, and it's over 11 miles from MR's house to the next major thoroughfare (240 & 501, I think). If Dylan did plan to hitch a ride, I doubt there would be traffic until he reached the intersection. It's a 3-4 hour walk to that intersection and his dad would certainly have seen him, on his drive home, unless something did happen to Dylan within 1/2 hour from leaving the house. It's not likely a predator would search for a victim on a road with only one way out and not even close to a major thoroughfare. But, I guess Dylan could have been picked up by someone who lives around the lake. It's more common for a child to be victimized by someone familiar rather than a stranger.

Then, consider that all of Dylan's belongings, including clothes, are missing. I suppose he could have been angry at his dad for not taking him to his friends' house the previous night, his dad taking his cell phone from him and turning it off (presuming that's why he wasn't texting), and then not returning from his appointment as promised, maybe Dylan packed up and planned to spend the remainder of his vacation with his friends. I could imagine Dylan's anger building to that point. But, if this is what happened and Dylan was abducted or the victim of an accident while hitching for a ride to the friends' house, why didn't he first call or email the friend to let him know the plans?

I'm hoping investigators will have some answers as to whether they believe Dylan even reached his dad's house Sunday night, or something happened to him after they got home that night, after evidence collected from the home and trucks is processed. That could take a while, and it could very well be inconclusive. I really hope Dylan eventually shows up, unharmed, but I know that really isn't likely.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

the backpack missing with all its contents is strange if Dylan decided to find his own way to his mates place. Most kids like to travel light, no way they are going to carry more than they absolutely have to.

 

[Seajay]

BBM
This has concerned me, too. I don't have kids, but most parents I know (including those I baby-sat for) and my own mother, would call in from time to time and let me know when they would be home. MR had told DR, by his own admission, that he would be back home at 11:00 a.m. Monday but said he didn't get home until 11:30 a.m. The one-way trip to/from Durango is about an hour's drive. Why didn't MR call Dylan before heading home to let him know when he's be there?

One thought is that when MR didn't arrive home at 11:00 as promised, Dylan set out on his own. Problem is, there is only one road going to and from the Lake area, and it's over 11 miles from MR's house to the next major thoroughfare (240 & 501, I think). If Dylan did plan to hitch a ride, I doubt there would be traffic until he reached the intersection. It's a 9-hour walk to that intersection and his dad would certainly have seen him, on his drive home, unless something did happen to Dylan within 1/2 hour from leaving the house. It's not likely a predator would search for a victim on a road with only one way out and not even close to a major thoroughfare. But, I guess Dylan could have been picked up by someone who lives around the lake. It's more common for a child to be victimized by someone familiar rather than a stranger.

Then, consider that all of Dylan's belongings, including clothes, are missing. I suppose he could have been angry at his dad for not taking him to his friends' house the previous night, his dad taking his cell phone from him and turning it off (presuming that's why he wasn't texting), and then not returning from his appointment as promised, maybe Dylan packed up and planned to spend the remainder of his vacation with his friends. I could imagine Dylan's anger building to that point. But, if this is what happened and Dylan was abducted or the victim of an accident while hitching for a ride to the friends' house, why didn't he first call or email the friend to let him know the plans?

I'm hoping investigators will have some answers as to whether they believe Dylan even reached his dad's house Sunday night, or something happened to him after they got home that night, after evidence collected from the home and trucks is processed. That could take a while, and it could very well be inconclusive. I really hope Dylan eventually shows up, unharmed, but I know that really isn't likely.

Yeh, neither do I. I'm really stuck on no one hearing from him via text or phone call. I don't have an answer as to why it's that way. It would make sense IF MR said he took his phone from him for texting incessantly and not listening to him (as kids will do.) But he didn't do that. It also doesn't answer for why he wouldn't have used the landline. The fact all his belongings are gone bothers me as well. These are the things that set my hinky meter off. But I'd feel pretty ignorant if it turns out there was a logical explanation for both and I just was too short-sighted to see it.

 

[Seajay]

There are things in Mark's story that can be proven or disproven though. Like picking him up at the airport, like going to Wal-Mart for groceries. Maybe at McD's for food, not sure about that one. After that it appears there could be no proof of anything, until he showed up in town the next day maybe about 8-8:30 am depending on what time he needed to be wherever he went. Then once again, there would be proof that he was at all the places he said he had errands. (Even on NG, someone said that was proven and verified to be true.)

But now that leaves a 12 hour window where there is no proof of anything. Not that Dylan got back to the house with Mark, not that he went to sleep, not that he had cereal. Unless there is physical evidence that LE found during the search warrant that would at least show Dylan was there. At this point, the cereal bowl with DNA would at least show Dylan had spent some time there, if not all night. There could still be a time gap for something bad to have happened.

LE's job is to account for all that time with either Dylan and/or Mark.

 

[Indy Anna]

Yeh, neither do I. I'm really stuck on no one hearing from him via text or phone call. I don't have an answer as to why it's that way. It would make sense IF MR said he took his phone from him for texting incessantly and not listening to him (as kids will do.) But he didn't do that. It also doesn't answer for why he wouldn't have used the landline. The fact all his belongings are gone bothers me as well. These are the things that set my hinky meter off. But I'd feel pretty ignorant if it turns out there was a logical explanation for both and I just was too short-sighted to see it.

What bothers me is that if I think of an explanation for one thing, another thing is inexplicable. That's what makes me so suspicious - no matter how I look at it, everything doesn't add up. If Dylan was murdered (gulp), I hope investigators have enough evidence. Otherwise, I'm afraid someone will get away with murder without the body - or even with a body if COD can't be determined or linked to a particular person.

 

[Powergirl]

Well, I don't know that so I'm going with giving benefit of doubt. That's sort of how I roll.

You made smile, because that's how I 'roll' too! Having the capacity to procreate doesn't necessarily endow you with the propensity to parent, however. Context is everything. We need to ask: " Do the words match the behavior, and does the behavior match the words?"
ER has told us that MR didn't utilize his visitation regularly, the court found ER's petition compelling enough to change the long-standing custodial arrangement, older brother did not join Dylan on visit to MR, MR answered neither ER nor older son's texts early on, older son had restraining order against MR 3years ago (as a 17yo/18yo), MR met w/older son finally (with older step-brother) 3 days ago (see link below), and hasn't been in contact w/ older brother since. There is no "crying out" to Dylan, no paternal reasurrance proffered. Even the "he was my whole world" statement has my Mommy radar clanging, not only because of the tense, but because of the seeming insensitivity to MR's other two boys---who themselves are in pain and fear over the disappearance of their little brother.
In one of the latest articles (see link below), MR said of Dylan, "...he's a 13yo boy, and who knows what they think sometimes? " That statement prompted alarm bells too, as it has a derogatory quality to it that seems out of context....what grieving, frantic, and engaged parent is going to denigrate their missing child? Granted, it's subtle, but when you put all the niggling things together, the collective whole does nothing to assuage my impression that MR is not the devoted daddy that you and I would hope him to be.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/dylan-148038-son-redwine.html

 

[Seajay]

What bothers me is that if I think of an explanation for one thing, another thing is inexplicable. That's what makes me so suspicious - no matter how I look at it, everything doesn't add up. If Dylan was murdered (gulp), I hope investigators have enough evidence. Otherwise, I'm afraid someone will get away with murder without the body - or even with a body if COD can't be determined or linked to a particular person.

BBM: That seems to be where I get stuck too. As soon as I can think of a logical explanation for one thing, another now makes no sense and I can't think of an explanation for it. Maddening, isn't it?? If A is true, then how can B be true. If A & C are true, but B is not true, then how can we get to D? Crazy.

 

[catswhiskers]

Exactly. So why didnt he just take him to his friends that night, as planned. He seemed to know Dylan wasnt going to get up at 6:30, and dad had errands all morning. Why make the kid stay home alone when he could be with his friends while dad went to the divorce attorney? I still don't get that. It was 8 pm or so, not that late imo.

Maybe because dad wanted to spend time with his son? He hadn't seen him for a couple of months - I think expecting he would be fine with picking him up at the airport and dropping him off at friends for the night almost immediately is pretty unreasonable. We don't even know if Dylan himself had a problem with delaying his visit with friends. If all this happened the other way around and poor Dylan went missing after MR had dropped him off at friends that Sunday night - people would probably still be outraged that he hadn't wanted to see his son and blaming him for that.

:moo:

 

[Angelo]

When contacted Monday, Mark Redwine declined to be interviewed, saying, “At this point, I think I’ve said as much as I need to say.”

He added: “The community’s been great. My problem is my ex-wife. She seems to have all the answers, and she seems to be the one everybody wants to listen to.”

I would think his problem is that his son is missing! Very telling statement IMO.




http://durangoherald.com/article/20...NEWS01/121209881/Police-reveal-no-new-leads--

 

[katydid23]

Maybe because dad wanted to spend time with his son? He hadn't seen him for a couple of months - I think expecting he would be fine with picking him up at the airport and dropping him off at friends for the night almost immediately is pretty unreasonable. We don't even know if Dylan himself had a problem with delaying his visit with friends. If all this happened the other way around and poor Dylan went missing after MR had dropped him off at friends that Sunday night - people would probably still be outraged that he hadn't wanted to see his son and blaming him for that.

:moo:

I totally understand why he would say NO, you cannot go the first night. I am sure I would have said the same thing. But it bugs me that he was almost ignoring Dylan the following day. I have already posted my feelings about that several time so I will just sit on my hands.

 

[JustCryssy]

If MR told the Walmart/McD's story to the LE on the first day, they could have checked the fridge for the groceries. Meat, milk, etc has dates on it. A receipt would have also proved his story. (or credit/bank card records)
They might HAVE confirmed it already, (first day) which is why they focused elsewhere initially.

I read in one of the interviews yesterday from MR that the police do not know how to handle the situation. I agree.

*I apologize for not knowing which interview, it's all moving very fast*

 

[SCHMAE]

I doubt dad has retained a lawyer because the first thing said lawyer would say is to "stop talking to the media," which doesn't appear to be the case.

I was reading again about the legal counsel. It did not actually say he retained or was represented by . It said he sought legal advice or counsel or consulted with. I wonder if he just called up and asked a few questions. Lawyer says you need to hire me but MR said I 'll hire you if I get arrested or something. He may not realize the time to hire a lawyer was last week.

 

[SCHMAE]

This just gets curiouser and curiouser... I sure hope something happens soon especially that Dylan is found. This has to be excruciating for his family.

TY, curiouser is one my favorite non words ! I use it often

 

[Eileen730]

I thought it interesting Mom didnt really know what work dad was doing.

Another thing that caught my ear was dad said dylans cell his charger and ipod
were in the backpack yet wasnt it reported that LE took an Ipod from his home.

 

[Eileen730]

I was reading again about the legal counsel. It did not actually say he retained or was represented by . It said he sought legal advice or counsel or consulted with. I wonder if he just called up and asked a few questions. Lawyer says you need to hire me but MR said I 'll hire you if I get arrested or something. He may not realize the time to hire a lawyer was last week.

Oh I think he has one esp when they took his two trucks!

 

[SCHMAE]

It was Court ordered. She didn't have a choice but to send him. Maybe Dad is on between jobs and didn't want to say. Perhaps he has a trade and picks up contracts wherever work is.

Dad is probably ' self ' or 'contract' employed. Did you see that bigger dump truck in the driveway ? It's very possible he hires out to drive loads around for people and therefore has no specific 'employer'. That would be my guess.
It was weird what she said but I don't think it's a deal breaker.

 

[Eileen730]

I totally understand why he would say NO, you cannot go the first night. I am sure I would have said the same thing. But it bugs me that he was almost ignoring Dylan the following day. I have already posted my feelings about that several time so I will just sit on my hands.

Now this is just me but id rather drive him there that night instead of getting up at 6 am the next morning to take him heck you already driving he has everything he needed whats the big deal. As we have seen Dad had plans for that morning anyway,
he got to dads house (so dad says) and went immediately to sleep.
No quality time spent here.

They didnt sit and watch TV there was football game on i believe, didnt play a video game or watch a movie no reruns of walking dead. no idyle chit chat!
he went to sleep.

I think they stopped at walmart and MD's but I do not think he made it to dads house.

All jmo