CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #9

[jjenny]

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In the interview with MR at the video store, he talks about this and he is totally believable to me. JMO but MR says he joked with Dylan about making plans to get up at 6:30 a.m. because he knew Dylan wouldn't do it. Just the way MR talks about Dylan at this point in the video, is just so normal, the way a parent would talk about their child. I believed him.

Again, JMO. Lots of others have seen the video and they didn't have the same interpretation that I did....

Salem

Mom contradicted the idea that Dylan wouldn't wake up today on NG. Mom says Dylan was really good about waking up when needed.

 

[Bravo]

ermmm its been mentioned at least a gazillion times already but the visit was court ordered which means regardless of what her opinion was she had to send him like it or not.

Yes she had to send him

 

[aust amateur slueth]

But we don't really know that either. If it was an expensive toy, like an electric truck that drove, or something like that, he might have also been angry at his kid for letting the neighbor kid play with it too. JMO

I think the important thing to take away from it, is Dad has a volatile temper. JMO

Dylan would have been about 4 at the time so I doubt it was an expensive truck, but I can understand getting angry (but not so angry that police charges were laid) if the neighbours kid was rough or deliberately broke it as some kids do.

I also think the temper is the important fact to be gleaned, it's rather different from the 'he sounds like a reasonably spoken man' someone suggested earlier.

 

[katydid23]

I am sorry but I do not buy 'court ordered'. If she truly thought MR was dangerous she could fight that court order. What could they do to her that was worth losing her son over? what are they going to do make her a private? jmo

It is not as easy as one might think. Even if a woman is assaulted by her ex, judges don't assume the guy would hurt their kids. So the kids would still be expected to visit dad.

Wasn't there a recent case where a guy was released from prison after doing 10 yrs for manslaughter for killing his wife, and he was suing for visitation. His 11 yr old child lived with the grandparents and this guy wanted visitation. I think he got supervised visitation in the end too.

 

[Powergirl]

Curiously I could swear ER said ' the last 3 years' regarding dad's visitation with Dylan. Something like he didnt' see him a whole lot the last 3 years. So if the divorce was done 6 or 7 yrs ago , I wonder why she would say that. Perhaps the first few years after divorce dad DID see him bi weekly and then it tapered off . Or maybe he didn't see him at all during that time. It was a curious statement and I almost wonder if it was a mistake and she meant to say 6 years.

It may be coincidence, but older brother is 21yo. Three years ago would bring us back to when older brother turned 18yo, aging out of any court-mandated visitation. Prior to that, It seems likely that both boys visited MR together; once the older boy turned 18yo, perhaps MR didn't see either boy as much, even though the visitation schedule for Dylan was still in effect.

Of added note, it occured to me that the 2003 child abuse allegations reported on NG's show would have been around the time that Dylan's older brother was about the same age that Dylan is now....

 

[jjenny]

It is not as easy as one might think. Even if a woman is assaulted by her ex, judges don't assume the guy would hurt their kids. So the kids would still be expected to visit dad.

Wasn't there a recent case where a guy was released from prison after doing 10 yrs for manslaughter for killing his wife, and he was suing for visitation. His 11 yr old child lived with the grandparents and this guy wanted visitation. I think he got supervised visitation in the end too.

Compared to some people getting visitation, Dylan's father had rather minor issues with the law.
So of course he was going to get visitation rights.

 

[Bravo]

Oh really? Was their child abducted or did they disappear? Can't think of anything worse than that. jmo

There are many cases in the news while Parents are duking it out in Court the Visitation continues. Sometime Judges dont make good decisions. I know in the Powell case he blew the children and himself up. Countless cases of Children exposed to an abusive Parent etc. Not saying in this case. Just sayin

 

[katydid23]

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In the interview with MR at the video store, he talks about this and he is totally believable to me. JMO but MR says he joked with Dylan about making plans to get up at 6:30 a.m. because he knew Dylan wouldn't do it. Just the way MR talks about Dylan at this point in the video, is just so normal, the way a parent would talk about their child. I believed him.

Again, JMO. Lots of others have seen the video and they didn't have the same interpretation that I did....

Salem

Exactly. So why didnt he just take him to his friends that night, as planned. He seemed to know Dylan wasnt going to get up at 6:30, and dad had errands all morning. Why make the kid stay home alone when he could be with his friends while dad went to the divorce attorney? I still don't get that. It was 8 pm or so, not that late imo.

 

[mck16]

ermmm its been mentioned at least a gazillion times already but the visit was court ordered which means regardless of what her opinion was she had to send him like it or not.

I am sorry, but that is just not true. What if Dyan had pneumonia do you think she would have had to put him on a plane. She could appeal that ruling and told them she was in fear for her son's life and they would not have made her send him. Child support is court ordered and how many men do not pay it. Eventually they get in trouble, but in the mean time dylan's mom could have gotten that changed if there were grounds for her fears.

 

[sorrell skye]

But what little kid wants his father to be so angry that he is arrested for assault, trespassing, menacing and child abuse, all over a stupid toy truck? I bet the poor kid was as embarrassed as heck. JMO

[ I remember when my DS asked DH to stop 'cheering' for him and jeering at the refs during his hockey games. My DH is from Boston and he LOVED to chew out the refs and the other team, 'in support' of his kid. But our kid said . please, knock it off, it's embarrassing. lol]

Based on the charges, it appears crystal clear to me that MR has an anger problem that has brought him at odds with the law on more than one occasion. If an affable discussion with the neighbor had occurred over the toy truck, I doubt very much the neighbor would have called the police.

For crying out loud - a toy truck??? It makes me wonder what kinda crazy stunts were pulled before 911 was called.

It also makes me wonder (not really) how angry MR may have become more recently over issues more serious than a toy truck.

 

[Confusion]

Mom contradicted the idea that Dylan wouldn't wake up today on NG. Mom says Dylan was really good about waking up when needed.

Why does everyone assume that mom is telling the truth every time the two of them disagree on anything (which seems to be every time either of them speaks!) From the way NG worded her question, it really sounded like ER had told her before the show that MR had failed his LDT. She sounded like she just didn't want to admit it on tv because both MR and LE knew it wasn't true. Even if the results WERE inconclusive, that's not considered to be failing the test. She seemed to bring things up and sound like she was making excuses for him, but if she really believed there was nothing to them then why did she say them in the first place? There's no way that I believe he's totally innocent in the problems between them, but I don't think he's as much to blame as he's made out to be.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I have been through raising many kids from nieces & nephews when I was a teen, having my own, helping to raise my grandchildren the past 12 years or so too. (a six kid family who had lot's of kids) Dylan's age, he might have had plans for the night he arrived. I can see that as maybe a problem, that night. I honestly don't want a parent involved.

jmo

 

[Jan]

Did anyone say they saw Dylan and his dad at either Walmart or McDonalds the night Dylan arrived in town? Or did anyone talk to the dad during that time by phone or otherwise? Does anyone know if Dylan was allowed to go fishing or swimming by himself without an adult with him to supervise or at least without going with a group of kids? It doesn't seem likely to me that he would have taken his fishing pole and gone fishing alone, and he would need bait too. It also seems unlikely that he would take his entire backpack with all his things in it with him to go fishing.

Was Dylan's dad ever given a polygraph test and, if so, were any results mentioned? I heard a blurb on TV earlier today saying that he failed a polygraph test. Then on Nancy Grace, Dylan's mom said she didn't know if he'd taken a polygraph test or not. Did his mom take one? I know she said they had talked to her about it. I was surprised that Dylan's mom said on TV that she didn't know where her ex-husband worked. They didn't seem to have a lot of communication going between them. She said it was unusual for Dylan not to keep in touch with her every day though by texting. I hope law enforcement makes a break in this case soon and finds Dylan and learns what happened to him. He's been gone way too long.

 

[jjenny]

Mom says she took a polygraph and passed. Father took a polygraph too. Mom claims his results were inconclusive (today on NG). He didn't say what his results were.

 

[Confusion]

It may be coincidence, but older brother is 21yo. Three years ago would bring us back to when older brother turned 18yo, aging out of any court-mandated visitation. Prior to that, It seems likely that both boys visited MR together; once the older boy turned 18yo, perhaps MR didn't see either boy as much, even though the visitation schedule for Dylan was still in effect.

Of added note, it occured to me that the 2003 child abuse allegations reported on NG's show would have been around the time that Dylan's older brother was about the same age that Dylan is now....

There was nothing in those records that said he was charged with the abuse of his own child, and it said specifically Without Injury.

 

[Confusion]

Mom says she took a polygraph and passed. Father took a polygraph too. Mom claims his results were inconclusive (today on NG). He didn't say what his results were.

Why should he? Everybody just accuses him of lying about anything he says anyway. I don't blame him at all for not talking to the press anymore.

 

[hollyblue]

This picture reminds me so very much of Adam Walsh

He looks like the All American Boy next door, imo. That pic could come right off the Wheaties box. This was a happy kid....WHAT happened??? Since Dylan was a little techie, I still think an argument took place over either his phone or the puter usage. Dad was competing not only with his friends, but those icons too, <modsnip>, I just can't see him beating his son or worse. Maybe I just don't want to believe it or/and thinking this would have reared it's ugly head in the past when visiting.....but I could see DR leaving after his dad went to bed.....especially if for some reason? he no longer had access to his cell. I want to think he was either abducted while walking, took a ride that was offered, or hit by one of many drunk drivers on the road at night or in the early morn hours and scooped him up to prevent the knowledge of such. What I can't reason through is...why wouldn't a 13 yr old boy take his bike instead of walking.....especially if heading all the way to Bayfield? Too steep of a terrain to climb? One thing is for certain, LE took their time and many resources to do a complete forensics on that home.....or atleast it appeared that way...to rule MR in or out. JMO

Did MR ever state what time DR fell asleep or what time he (MR) retired for the night? tia

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I am sorry but I do not buy 'court ordered'. If she truly thought MR was dangerous she could fight that court order. What could they do to her that was worth losing her son over? what are they going to do make her a private? jmo

going against a court order is a no no unless you want to end up on the wrong side of the law and lose custody. Trying to fight it can get you labelled as trying to alienate the child from the other parent and courts are known (at least here in Aus) to give custody to the other parent if they think thats the case.

A case here in Aus that still tears me up is the case of little Darcy Freeman whose father threw her off the westgate bridge in front of her brothers, the mother had raised concerns and the court had given the father less time.

or the 3 farquarson(?) boys who drowned after the car their father was driving went into a dam on fathers day. The father had threatened to get back at his ex wife.


courts base their decisions on 'the best interest of the child', but they don't base it on whats most important for the childs safety.

there was a case here where a pedophile father was granted weekend access to his girls, but they had to lock themselves in their room at night!

 

[Salem]

Exactly. So why didnt he just take him to his friends that night, as planned. He seemed to know Dylan wasnt going to get up at 6:30, and dad had errands all morning. Why make the kid stay home alone when he could be with his friends while dad went to the divorce attorney? I still don't get that. It was 8 pm or so, not that late imo.

Everyone keeps using this 8:00 p.m. like it is some sort of definitive timeline. I don't think they were home by 8:00 p.m. Especially after the NG show tonight. ER said Dylan texted her at 7:06 p.m. (iirc). So, in my mind, they were just leaving the airport. Then they stopped at Walmart, then McDonald's. Estimating an hour between the 2 places, they probably didn't head for home until 8:00 p.m. It was a 45 min. to an hour drive, correct? So they didn't get home until 9:00ish. My understanding is that Bayfield is another 30 to 45 min. away. That would have put them at the friend's around 9:30ish give or take some.

Plus it was Dylan's first night. MR probably thought Dylan should spend the first night with him.

I didn't think it was a big deal and it all sounded normal to me.

JMO,

Salem

ETA: Also, I don't think it was "planned" for Dylan to go see his friends upon arrival. I think that was planned between Dylan and his friends, without parental input. Children should consult with parents before making plans to stay overnight or make late visits to others, in my opinion.

 

[katydid23]

Based on the charges, it appears crystal clear to me that MR has an anger problem that has brought him at odds with the law on more than one occasion. If an affable discussion with the neighbor had occurred over the toy truck, I doubt very much the neighbor would have called the police.

For crying out loud - a toy truck??? It makes me wonder what kinda crazy stunts were pulled before 911 was called.

It also makes me wonder (not really) how angry MR may have become more recently over more serious issues than a toy truck.

Good question. I think if he got that angry at a neighbor over a broken toy, that he must have a volatile temper.

Also, if you read through that transcript by Peachy, of his interview in the video store, one thing really jumps out. He said about 5 or 6 times, that Dylan's ' 'priority'is his friends. And he makes a point of saying several times that he is fine with that. He says how important Dylan's friends are to him, and says they are important to him as well/

So with all of that emphasis upon how important Dylan's friends are to him, and KNOWING that he has important appointments ALL MORNING the next day, why didn't he just drop Dylan off at his friends , as originally planned?

Makes me wonder if they might have argued a bit about that on the way home...