CO- Dylan Redwine's case discussed on Dr. Phil ONLY!- 2/26/13 ***SPOILERS***

[tiredblondy]

I watched it and just skimmed through a few pages of comments here. I am not an emotional person and I had tears in the first few minutes. Tears for Dylan and tears for Elaine. It is so clear to me that above all else MR has zero emotion whatsoever to the fact that his son is missing. The way he looked at Elaine was pure evil IMO. I thought Dr Phil was completely fair to both sides...as I thought he would be. He made it clear over and over that his focus was in finding Dylan and finding out what happened to him. The Mrs. Redwine comment was mean and he meant it to be just that IMO.
And I found this sentence so completely perplexing.
MR: No, Elaine!! I wouldn’t hurt him… what kind of mother are you to even think that I was capable of doing something like that?

He didn't say he DIDN'T hurt him he said he wouldn't hurt him. (disturbing)

And the 'what kind of mother are you to even think that I was capable of doing something like that?'

What does Elaine thinking MR could be capable of hurting Dylan have one iota to do with what type of Mother she is?

He makes the strangest comments that make zero sense to me!!!

What kind of mother are you that you could even think I could be capable of doing something like that?

I just keep saying this over and over and in my brain the sentence makes zero sense. ZERO SENSE! What rational person would say this? What does this have anything to do with what kind of Mother she is??? Someone please explain this to me.

I see it as deflection and accusatory.

 

[raine1212]

Hi guys here is the link for the NON- Dr. Phil Discussion thread

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200076&page=2

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Was the mail woman and the girlfriend the same person? Or am I mistaken?

*still playing catch up*

They sure did look similar to me.

The postal carrier is Marks girlfriend? I didn't know that he had a girlfriend.

 

[SuperMom1995]

Just read a disturbing article called the 10 reasons why children disappear: http://missingchildreninternational.org/articles/ten_reasons_why_children_disappear.html

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Wow. I read the entire thread....lots of insights here, thanks WSers!

It is kind of a mixed bag of emotions for me. If you have never had to be married to or co-parent with a batterer (which I'm saying based on MR's own assertions of 'yea, I shoved her around, BUT...', ) I'm not sure how you process all of this information.

I saw it stated that these two are mutually angry at each other or can't let go of the past. There are relationships where that dynamic plays out, to be sure. However, in batterer/victim relationships just because the parties are angry post divorce doesn't mean they "can't let go" or are immature, etc. Often the batterer is angry because he feels entitled to dictate the terms of the relationship and communication with the victim and feels hostile that she is not complying with his desires. Meanwhile, the victim is angry because being abused and oppressed makes people feel hurt and angry toward their abusers and oppressors.

Also, battering is only one symptom of a larger relationship problem of chronic pervasive control. Being in this type of relationship for any length of time can be very traumatic. PTSD is not uncommon in battered women and protective parents even years after separation - and that is true of parents whose children are not missing, as ER's son is. This can lead victims to seem anxious, unstable, overly emotional, etc. in comparison with the batterer who is calm, cool, and collected because a) he has not been the victim of the trauma, and b) he may actually take pleasure in seeing the victim in an agitated state.

Is this what is going on here? I can't say. I have my suspicions, but I don't have letters behind my name. Dr. Phil does though, and I'm betting he is picking this up loud and clear.

One more point. I have had to take breaks from this case at times because it is like looking at my past life, and my son is 14 and still visits my/our abuser. My ex also, on several occassions kept my son when he was not supposed to. After confirming that my son had not made it to school and not being able to get ahold of my ex, yes, my very first call was to my attorney. Why? I wanted to make sure that she hadn't gotten a voicemail or fax from his attorney saying something has come up and we need to make a change to the schedule.

Lundy Bancroft is very highly respected amongst advocates for battered mothers and protective parents because of his extensive work with families in these types of crises. His paper "Understanding the Batterer in Custody and Visitation Disputes" is a very informative read:

http://www.lundybancroft.com/?page_id=279

I can see why ER would do this show. It certainly drew attention to Dylan's case. And if she has nothing to hide, it can only help to have MR making statements to Dr. Phil on the record. He is boxed in to this story now, and any inconsistencies between what he said today and what he may have said in interviews with the police will, I'm sure, be noted by the investigators. If I was a betting woman, I would say that MR's attorney probably strongly discouraged him going on this show. I would think MR probably did this appearance over his attorney's strong objections because he couldn't let her have the last word with Dr. Phil on national TV about all this.

 

[cluciano63]

Is he the Queen of England, perhaps, using the royal "we"?

 

[TxLady2]

Would LE really share that info with a tv host though? It sounds a bit unprofessional and risky to me, but I guess stranger things have happened.

Nope, not IMO. Most of them wouldn't. If this LE has not shared any info with the public up till now, what makes anyone think they would tell Dr. Phil who their suspect is? Oh, they may say they're looking at him, because they are. It's natural to look at the last known person to see the missing person. I would also expect them to be looking at other people too. They can look at anybody and they often do, but that doesn't mean that person is a suspect.

But I would say that he is their primary target. Until he's cleared, at least.

 

[Seajay]

Hi guys here is the link for the NON- Dr. Phil Discussion thread

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200076&page=2

Thanks. I came back to delete it but it was already gone.

 

[bessie]

This thread is to discuss the Dr Phil show. Everything else, including news about the K-9 search, belongs here.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8937593#post8937593"]ACTIVE SEARCH CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #40 (NON-Dr.Phil show discussion - Page 4 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

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[The Cheese]

This is confusing IMO. Do LE need a second sighting or something like photo or video evidence to confirm a sighting? I recall the news about another boy who looked like Dylan possibly being the boy seen - maybe if that boy himself confirmed he was at the place where the postal worker assumed she saw Dylan, this would eliminate this as a confirmed sighting? IDK if this is what has happened though.
:moo:

From what I've read in different cases over the years, that's what they do. They try to either confirm it or rule it out. Confirmation would be video, a receipt showing the person was in that place at that time, etc. In such a remote area, it would be hard to confirm. Ruling out would be finding a person they can confirm was in the place at the same time.

Elaine in the show said it was an unconfirmed sighting I think, not ruled out. If police can't confirm or rule out, it just kind of sits there as an unconfirmed sighting until they get other info.

:twocents:

 

[NC Analyzer]

After watching the show today I really had to take a break from this case for a few hours. It's one thing to look at facts and evidence and put together a scenario in your mind that seems to fit with the way you perceive them and then quite another to actually get to watch the person you suspect of being responsible behave in exactly the way you would expect them to if they are guilty. Any hope I had for Dylan to come home safe evaporated after watching today.

< respectfully snipped to save space >

Absolutely excellent analysis. Thank you isn't enough! :rocker:

 

[SCHMAE]

The postal carrier is Marks girlfriend? I didn't know that he had a girlfriend.

I dont' think they look too much alike. He is supposed to have an x gf
on the show with him tomorrow. There is no way the DP show would speak
to the x on film and the mail lady on film and not KNOW they are the same
person. imho

 

[hogwash]

I wonder why Dr Phil allowed the postal carrier to come on his show and say that she saw Dylan when LE has said that there has been no confirmed sightings of him?

maybe she took a LDT for the show and passed it about seeing Dylan

 

[cluciano63]

If Dylan was walking with another boy when supposedly seen, I cannot imagine that the other boy would not have ID'd himself to LE very shortly after this sighting was mentioned, months ago. More likely, it was two other boys and LE knows who they are. LE would not simply discount a sighting right there close to home for the heck of it. They want to know when Dylan was truly last seen. I have zero belief in this "sighting" or the person who read/stated it on the clip.

 

[AnonymousD]

So to clarify there is no reported sightings of Dylan by this "postman" ?


Also I can not watch the show as I am from the u,k but can anybody confirm or not if Mark said at the beginning of the show that 'Dylan "was" a good son ?'

BBM

There was a sequence of MR speaking at the beginning of the show (which floored me when I heard it). It appears to be from a gathering the family had when DR first went missing? Unknown/unshown female speaks, CR speaks, then MR speaks. It is at night and I see people holding candles.

Transcribed by me:

MR: I want everybody to know how much I loved that boy. And how much I cared about him. He was such a wonderful boy. And I'm reaching out to anybody that can help us find him.

 

[TxLady2]

I watched it and just skimmed through a few pages of comments here. I am not an emotional person and I had tears in the first few minutes. Tears for Dylan and tears for Elaine. It is so clear to me that above all else MR has zero emotion whatsoever to the fact that his son is missing. The way he looked at Elaine was pure evil IMO. I thought Dr Phil was completely fair to both sides...as I thought he would be. He made it clear over and over that his focus was in finding Dylan and finding out what happened to him. The Mrs. Redwine comment was mean and he meant it to be just that IMO.
And I found this sentence so completely perplexing.
MR: No, Elaine!! I wouldn’t hurt him… what kind of mother are you to even think that I was capable of doing something like that?

He didn't say he DIDN'T hurt him he said he wouldn't hurt him. (disturbing)

And the 'what kind of mother are you to even think that I was capable of doing something like that?'

What does Elaine thinking MR could be capable of hurting Dylan have one iota to do with what type of Mother she is?

He makes the strangest comments that make zero sense to me!!!

What kind of mother are you that you could even think I could be capable of doing something like that?

I just keep saying this over and over and in my brain the sentence makes zero sense. ZERO SENSE! What rational person would say this? What does this have anything to do with what kind of Mother she is??? Someone please explain this to me.

Maybe because they created this child together, so it's hard for him to believe that after being married to a man for 18 years and having two children by him, how could she believe he would harm his own son??
It's not that odd to me that he put it that way... maybe not the exact words I would choose but still, not unbelievable, IMO.

 

[Eileen730]

The postal carrier is Marks girlfriend? I didn't know that he had a girlfriend.

Thats what they say on Dr P the ex girlfriend.

 

[Dee10]

I disagree. LE said there were no confirmed sightings... which only means they cannot confirm that the mailperson actually did or didn't see Dylan with another boy. How do you confirm something like that? If I say I saw something but no one else saw the same thing, does that mean I'm lying? No... it just means I'm the only one who saw it and LE can't say for certain that I did or didn't.

Why would Dr. Phil even put that clip on his show if LE had already dismissed it? Doesn't make sense. When LE says something isn't confirmed, they are not saying it isn't true. They're just saying they can't prove it either way.

She saw TWO boys with backpacks. A poster earlier astutely pointed out they probably talk to one of the boys, who said who the other boy was & they spoke to him. If it was one boy it would be a different story if "that" boy didn't come forward. The show can only do so much homework, who knows why really? Regardless, the police ruled out this sighting. A mod posted numerous links.

 

[Eileen730]

BBM

There was a sequence of MR speaking at the beginning of the show (which floored me when I heard it). It appears to be from a gathering the family had when DR first went missing? Unknown, unshown female speaks, CR speaks, then MR speaks. It is at night and I see people holding candles.

Transcribed by me:

MR: I want everybody to know how much I loved that boy. And how much I cared about him. He was such a wonderful boy. And I'm reaching out to anybody that can help us find him.

That caught my attention also.

He was such a wonderful boy!:banghead:

 

[mijamawi]

It's interesting that members on this forum were discussing the different Nickelodeon channels this past month, and MR stated it was one of the nickelodeon channels, instead of staying with his original statement of the tv being on nickelodeon when he arrived home.
Another interesting comment MR has stated concerning Dylan's backpack, Mr stated Dylan's cell phone was in his backpack with the other accessories ?

Why would Dylan's cell phone be in the backpack ? Teens would have it on them, But if a person was grabbing everything that belonged to someone else, they would stuff everything inside the backpack. This could explain how MR knew everything Dylan brought with him.

BBM, I think it's pretty common to have more than one Nickelodeon channel these days. I have basic cable through Verizon (no premium channels) and I have several Nickelodeon channels.

If Dylan was walking with another boy when supposedly seen, I cannot imagine that the other boy would not have ID'd himself to LE very shortly after this sighting was mentioned, months ago. More likely, it was two other boys and LE knows who they are. LE would not simply discount a sighting right there close to home for the heck of it. They want to know when Dylan was truly last seen. I have zero belief in this "sighting" or the person who read/stated it on the clip.

BBM Unless the other boy was responsible for disappearing or harming Dylan.