CO- Dylan Redwine's case discussed on Dr. Phil ONLY!- 2/26/13 ***SPOILERS***

[cat28]

..... However, does it not bother anyone else that Dr. Phil so obviously set out to make him look bad? I mean, if Dr. Phil wanted to offer a lie detector test to the father... couldn't he have done that before the first show aired? In a calm manner, in a fair way, without all the drama? Before encouraging all the animosity between exes on stage, and asking questions in a way that was sure to upset him, etc.? The way this was presented was all about RATINGS! and that is just WRONG.

But instead of offering a lie detector test ahead of time, in the interest of actually finding the truth, Dr. Phil went for the drama! It is so much more exciting to the TV audience to watch Dr. Phil antagonize this man, get him so riled that he isn't thinking straight and then pounce on him with the lie detector test... by that time, the father clearly felt that Dr. Phil was out to 'get' him, so I am not surprised that he didn't trust anyone enough by that stage to take a lie detector test offered by Dr. Phil!

I get that this man is not likeable, and that his answers as shown on TV fall short... I get that he may even be guilty/involved in his son's disappearance... but I do not trust that what was presented on the Dr. Phil show was a fair and full accounting by any means. I think it was very irresponsible of Dr. Phil to manipulate this family and influence public opinion in that way, on national TV. All just MOO... as an unbiased viewer, with no previous knowledge of this case.

BBM Clicking Thanks wasn't enough! The show was exactly what I thought it would be, a train wreck. Lie Detector test for Mark should have been on the table and done before the show was even taped. Drama, drama, drama. :twocents:

 

[fedfan4life]

I have not followed this case, so I know very little about anyone involved. I did watch much of the Dr. Phil shows yesterday and today.

Right up front, let me say that this father does not come across as a likeable man or a loving father.

However, does it not bother anyone else that Dr. Phil so obviously set out to make him look bad? I mean, if Dr. Phil wanted to offer a lie detector test to the father... couldn't he have done that before the first show aired? In a calm manner, in a fair way, without all the drama? Before encouraging all the animosity between exes on stage, and asking questions in a way that was sure to upset him, etc.? The way this was presented was all about RATINGS! and that is just WRONG.

But instead of offering a lie detector test ahead of time, in the interest of actually finding the truth, Dr. Phil went for the drama! It is so much more exciting to the TV audience to watch Dr. Phil antagonize this man, get him so riled that he isn't thinking straight and then pounce on him with the lie detector test... by that time, the father clearly felt that Dr. Phil was out to 'get' him, so I am not surprised that he didn't trust anyone enough by that stage to take a lie detector test offered by Dr. Phil!

I get that this man is not likeable, and that his answers as shown on TV fall short... I get that he may even be guilty/involved in his son's disappearance... but I do not trust that what was presented on the Dr. Phil show was a fair and full accounting by any means. I think it was very irresponsible of Dr. Phil to manipulate this family and influence public opinion in that way, on national TV. All just MOO... as an unbiased viewer, with no previous knowledge of this case.

Greenthumb, I would respectfully request that you take the time to review this case in its entirety. I believe that you will come to the realization that it matters naught when, or under what circumstances, Dr. Phil asked Mr. Redwine to take a polygraph. In fact, IMVHO, the ONLY chance that the test would actually have been taken by this individual is under the scrutiny of millions of eyes. But, alas, even that did not work.

 

[mijamawi]

So for anybody sitting on the fence has this given you any new ideas on what happened ?

Has this changed your mind one way or the other ?

TBH, After watching the show, yes. BUT.....

I know I'm really late with my responses, but I just finally got caught up.


I'd guess it's because the Marshall's office is in Bayfield and the Sheriff's office is in Durango. It would be much closer.



I believe he said it was a "person in the community" who had been offering help.

The only other thing I can remember noticing, is the comment "behind the scenes." I didn't catch anybody mention this, but I heard it as, "It's fine with me."

It is hard hanging onto the fence, but I still haven't seen any actual evidence that MR is responsible for whatever happened - no matter how likely it might seem. I don't know of anybody who has said that they are convinced that he's innocent, but I (and possibly others) still don't feel like I can accuse someone of something that serious with no concrete proof. MOO

After watching the show, I was numb. However, I agree with the above BBM 100%.

Jumping off your post, I have two questions for the posters here:
How many have never been able to get a child up when they wanted to be woken up in the morning?
How many have never been able to get a child up when the child did not want to get up in the morning (school, etc)?

There has never been an occasion where I could not get my kids up when they were supposed to get up, but I have a friend with 1 of 4 kids that she was unable to get up to go to school on time most days (oddly enough, he got up fine when he wanted to go somewhere). There were some days she brought him to school in pajamas and a backpack of clothes and dropped him in the office for them to deal with.

I have 2 kids and they are complete opposites. One is my ray of sunshine in the morning who gets up on his own, makes his lunch, and is ready to go. The other one, (the procrastinator) doesn't want to wake up for anything. I'm actually quite the same. I'm not a morning person. I'm almost 40 and I still cuss at my alarm when it goes off. The ONLY time of year I want to get up early is Black Friday. lol

I have not followed this case, so I know very little about anyone involved. I did watch much of the Dr. Phil shows yesterday and today.

Right up front, let me say that this father does not come across as a likeable man or a loving father.

However, does it not bother anyone else that Dr. Phil so obviously set out to make him look bad? I mean, if Dr. Phil wanted to offer a lie detector test to the father... couldn't he have done that before the first show aired? In a calm manner, in a fair way, without all the drama? Before encouraging all the animosity between exes on stage, and asking questions in a way that was sure to upset him, etc.? The way this was presented was all about RATINGS! and that is just WRONG.

But instead of offering a lie detector test ahead of time, in the interest of actually finding the truth, Dr. Phil went for the drama! It is so much more exciting to the TV audience to watch Dr. Phil antagonize this man, get him so riled that he isn't thinking straight and then pounce on him with the lie detector test... by that time, the father clearly felt that Dr. Phil was out to 'get' him, so I am not surprised that he didn't trust anyone enough by that stage to take a lie detector test offered by Dr. Phil!

I get that this man is not likeable, and that his answers as shown on TV fall short... I get that he may even be guilty/involved in his son's disappearance... but I do not trust that what was presented on the Dr. Phil show was a fair and full accounting by any means. I think it was very irresponsible of Dr. Phil to manipulate this family and influence public opinion in that way, on national TV. All just MOO... as an unbiased viewer, with no previous knowledge of this case.

I agree 100%. Thanks.

 

[DylansMom34]

Dr. Phil did not make Mark look bad. Mark made Mark look bad.

 

[mijamawi]

Greenthumb, I would respectfully request that you take the time to review this case in its entirety. I believe that you will come to the realization that it matters naught when, or under what circumstances, Dr. Phil asked Mr. Redwine to take a polygraph. In fact, IMVHO, the ONLY chance that the test would actually have been taken by this individual is under the scrutiny of millions of eyes. But, alas, even that did not work.

I don't know about that. He took the initial test from LE.

 

[fedfan4life]

I was not at all surprised. I believed this is exactly what he is all along.. IMO I'll reiterate that there is no strategy that will bring about changing who/what this person is and that LE WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE to work around this fact. good old fashioned police work will be what solves this case.jmo.

Yep, I have come to the very disheartening conclusion that there exists no leverage against Mr. Redwine to compel him to tell the truth. I hope that I am wrong.

 

[SCHMAE]

In truth, when Phil originally offers the poly, MR agrees to it. That is MR's doing . He could have at that point said I dont think so, my lawyer said not to, I already took one, etc. But he did not. He said OK I'll take one. Then the mess began. So I'm not going to fault Phil for badgering someone to do something AFTER they made a declaration that they WOULD do it. At that point, you heard Phil at the end of the show, thanking the poly dude for 'putting his life on hold' to fly over at the last moment to give this very important poly, not tonight, maybe tomorrow,,,,,, and then it not happening. Phil had to pay that guy for his time I'm sure . So I don't see it as Phil badgered. Did he do some other badgering during the show? Probably yes, but as far as I could tell, it was all trying to tie MR down to ......one ANSWER, one STATEMENT, one ANYTHING that he could be held accountable for, but there was no such answer or statement given. That was as the dh likes to say a " soup sandwich". Just try to hold it in your hands !

 

[cat28]

So for anybody sitting on the fence has this given you any new ideas on what happened ?

Has this changed your mind one way or the other ?

Nothing changed for me.

 

[asyousay]

Whichever way you look at it Mark bottled the polygraph . Nobody held a gun to his head and made him drink the night before . He knew what was going to happen the following morning and should of behavioured like a responsible adult , if not for himself but for Dylan . And then the question becomes why on earth would be want to avoid taking a polygraph ?! - IMO it means he is hiding something !

 

[SmoothOperator]

I do not see comments tearing the x girlfriend or the mail lady to shreds . Yesterday it was pointed out by TWO MODS from WS that police have repeatedly said that all sightings including the mail lady's sightings were unfruitful, unrelated, ruled out , dismissed or otherwise did not lead anywhere. That was pointed out 3 or 4 times yesterday , the same big post showing how many times LE mentioned all the various sightings and how none of them appeared to be related to Dylan's disappearance. So according to MR they are valid but according to LE they are not valid. So the mail lady wasn't ripped to shreds, but her story has been presented to police and not gone anywhere. According to police, MR is the last sighting. He and the mail lady are the only ones who dispute that !

ITA..

BBM Clicking Thanks wasn't enough! The show was exactly what I thought it would be, a train wreck. Lie Detector test for Mark should have been on the table and done before the show was even taped. Drama, drama, drama. :twocents:

and Mark Redwine is a huge part of that drama. he is the one who has refused to be involved and he is the exact reason that these questions had to be asked on national television. I don't give a damn how much drama is present the father of this child has failed a police polygraph, refuses to take another, and once again refused to take a non LE polygraph. IMO its sickening and the person its sickening for is Dylan Redwine!

 

[SCHMAE]

Whichever way you look at it Mark bottled the polygraph . Nobody held a gun to his head and made him drink the night before . He knew what was going to happen the following morning and should of behavioured like a responsible adult , if not for himself but for Dylan . And then the question becomes why on earth would be want to avoid taking a polygraph ?! - IMO it means he is hiding something !

And the same night after he's going through ER's alcohol problems in the past.
Keeping it classy !

 

[jjenny]

According to Dr. Phil, no parent of a missing child ever wouldn't take LDT (on Dr. Phil's show) until MR .

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Lets go with this. The reason this guy looks guilty or like he has done something is because of his behavior. His attitude. His actions or non actions. No one is helping him look any way. He is the father of a missing child and I don't see it. I don't see the worry, The fear the pain, I see him worried about him and him and more him.

I think of the fathers we have seen, Elizabeth Smarts father, Kyron Horman's father, Many many fathers that may not be perfect people but when their children are missing they are right there.

Last week, My 5 yr old went missing for 30 mins. It was the most terrifying 30 mins of my life. It was dark and cold and we thought he had run outside of a family party and could not find him. My husband was running around that neighborhood, AS were all the men in the party. I was out front on the phone with police and crying and getting help from a neighbor to stay steady and get information to them,

Just that taste of it, Makes you realize what it feels like and what you would do if your child was missing. I can not explain the fear, panic and helplessness.

I can not imagine what it feels like 3 months later. But if someone had offered me a show to find my son, I would have use that time to beg for info about my son.

This man made it about him. He won't give answers, He won't take the LDT and clear himself. He won't help DP. He is in his only little, THIS IS ABOUT ME world.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Last year my cat went missing for 17 days, I could tell you today what I did to find him each and every day. I had no pride, no shame, nothing was out of bounds. Did MR mention 1 thing he has done to find Dylan? Maybe I missed it in my dumb founded state....

 

[Tennlyn]

The first thing that popped out to me in today's episode is that ex-girlfriend said she spent a week with Mark & Dylan.

Yet in the uncut interview with MB:
"You know… it’s just me and him. There’s not people coming and going in my life ‘cos everything I focus on is him and us being together spending that time."

<modsnip>?

 

[SCHMAE]

Originally Posted by Confusion
snipped by me
It is hard hanging onto the fence, but I still haven't seen any actual evidence that MR is responsible for whatever happened - no matter how likely it might seem. I don't know of anybody who has said that they are convinced that he's innocent, but I (and possibly others) still don't feel like I can accuse someone of something that serious with no concrete proof. MOO
BBM
Accusing someone is way different than convicting someone. You have to have real hard evidence and concrete PROOF to convict. I don't think that's so with an accusation. I feel right now there is plenty of circumstantial evidence for charges to be brought on MR, circumstances ALONE, but there is nowhere near enough evidence to convict so they do not. An accusation is just that..... you accuse someone, they say yeah or no and here's why and then you say oh ok so you did not do or you did do it.
Accusations do not land people in prison for life.........convictions do ! mooooo

 

[fedfan4life]

I don't know about that. He took the initial test from LE.

Which did not rule him out because it appears that it, @ the very least, was inconclusive, but quite possibly, in fact, was an outright fail (due to the examiner, of course).

But, regardless, Mr. Redwine has stated repeatedly that he would take another one. However, there is a clear pattern of behavior, in that he says he will do something asked of him, but then does not follow through. Therefore, I respectfully suggested that the poster review the case file, of which he/she is unaware, to see why it would likely not make any difference whatsoever when or how Mr. Redwine was approached by Dr. Phil and his team.

And, again, even 4 million eyes did not compel the action.

 

[azgrandma]

Yesterday, you people slammed the mail carrier. Today, you are slamming the ex-girlfriend.

Both stated what they witnessed. No need to tear them to shreds.

IMO the mail carrier was not slammmed at all, it was repeatedly pointed out that the police believed that there are NO confirmed sightings. It was also pointed out that she may strongly believe what she saw was true in her eyes but unfounded by LE.

The ex-girlfriend IMO is not being slammed or torn to shreds either, IMO bringing up her rudeness to the mother of a missing child (keep in mind she has no skin in this) and telling that mother "how dare you point your finger at MR" (not exact quote there) is merely pointing out that this woman was WAAAAAAY out of line.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Yesterday, you people slammed the mail carrier. Today, you are slamming the ex-girlfriend.

Both stated what they witnessed. No need to tear them to shreds.

My problem with the ex-girlfriend is her song isn't new. I've heard it before. It's one thing to say that she doesn't believe Mark is involved. That from what she has witnessed she doesn't think it is something they would be capable of. She's entitled to her opinion based on her own observations. However, when she starts criticizing Elaine she's way out of line, and I was so glad Dr. Phil set her straight.

 

[SmoothOperator]

as is usual its everybody else, but Mark Redwine.. everybody else makes Mark look bad, everybody else lies on Mark Redwine, everybody else...everybody else..

poor poor Mark..poor poor Mark..why can't anybody cut this poor poor man a break.. Mark Redwine, poor poor Mark Redwine my heart bleeds...my heart bleeds for the fact that this is who/what Dylan was forced to endure in those last hours and mins leading up to his "disappearing".. poor, Dylan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!