CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #55

[arielilane]

Murderous stepmom made baseless claim 11-year-old victim had it out for her: Boy's dad

The woman charged with stabbing and shooting her 11-year-old stepson to death previously claimed the child had it out for her, the victim's father testified.

lawandcrime.com

 

[Cindizzi]

Thanks so much for clarifying. This helps a lot. While I've followed this case, I wasn't aware of Al's role in the investigation.

Page 26 of the AA talks about AS working with LE.
The call we listened to today was on February 13, 2020.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/Stauch%20FINAL%20redacted%20040120.pdf

 

[Shadowtrix]

I'm behind on watching both days but you guys weren't kidding. Wow. This defense opening statement... They really threw their hands up and said, "yeah, we've got nothin'."

 

[RaspberryMama]

Seems like defense team already feels defeated.

Or they don't even want to win. And who could blame them? She has to be a difficult and unlikable client.

 

[Cindizzi]

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[Cindizzi]

She tried to buy one but the business refused because the purpose was too shady even for them. They could tell by the questions, which may well have been, "did you kill your stepson?"

They could be a witness later.

Page 31 and 32 of the AA discussed the fake polygraph. The person LE contacted LD is on the State’s witness list.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/Stauch%20FINAL%20redacted%20040120.pdf

 

[Curious Me]

Sadly I disagree: IMO Letecia is incapable of feeling guilt. Or remorse. Or empathy....

I respect your thoughts on it. I wish I could express my thoughts on this better, and please know it's just MOO and attempt to further learn about aspects of NPD.

It's just that she suddenly started using the F-word in almost every sentence when she had not done that in the whole hour of phone talk. She went into some kind of rage or tangent. Something he said hit a nerve. She was reacting strongly and differently when Al asked her how she'd feel if it was Harley missing.

Some kind of feeling hit her then. Perhaps a deep shame in herself? Perhaps, a self-hatred? People want to say narcissistic people never ever feel, but that is not true every single way. Whatever she felt in that moment made her erupt in what I'd call narcissistic rage.

Shame is something buried inside themselves, and I think sometimes a narcissistic person hate the glimpse they get of themselves. Make them see themselves, or leave them, and Narcissistic Rage erupts. Grandiosity is one of the key defense mechanisms used to seek balance within themselves.

I can't explain it in depth, but I think this article speaks of the shame emotion.
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What Narcissists Hide

Guilty Versus Shame-Related Mental States

Narcissistic behavioral traits develop in the context of an especially avoidant relationship with the shame emotion. While often confused or conflated, guilt and shame are different emotions. In guilty states of mind, there is attention to actions (either in reality or fantasy) imagined to have harmed other people. There is motivation to make amends or apologize to those impacted. Normal guilt is thus tied to empathy and concern for the welfare of others.

In the shameful mind’s eye, on the other hand, focus expands to a secret, globally negative sense of the entire self rather than regret at specific actions. The shameful self feels small, deficient, inadequate, or fundamentally “bad.” We all transition in and out of various shameful, deflated mental states at times. Perhaps we encounter a more successful colleague who reveals a significant accomplishment we have not attained, or a random thought, memory, or fantasy triggers a brief deflection of self-regard. Over time, as we develop the ability to manage these mental states without becoming demoralized, traits of humility and realistic confidence can be incorporated into our personalities.

But for those who become narcissists, direct experience of shameful states of mind has become intolerable. For them, any contact with the shame emotion is avoided as the touch of a hot stove... What Narcissists Hide ​

 

[RaspberryMama]

Seems like defense team already feels defeated.

Or they don't even want to win. And who could blame them? She has to be a difficult and unlikable client.

 

[Gardenista]

Does anyone know if the fire alarm really went off?

 

[Cindizzi]

Does anyone know if the fire alarm really went off?

Page 20 says investigators found no evidence of smoke or fire on January 27, 28, and 29.
Fire supposedly happened on the 26th.
I’m wondering if the ADT records will answer your question about the alarm.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/Stauch%20FINAL%20redacted%20040120.pdf

 

[MsMarple]

I respect your thoughts on it. I wish I could express my thoughts on this better, and please know it's just MOO and attempt to further learn about aspects of NPD.

It's just that she suddenly started using the F-word in almost every sentence when she had not done that in the whole hour of phone talk. She went into some kind of rage or tangent. Something he said hit a nerve. She was reacting strongly and differently when Al asked her how she'd feel if it was Harley missing.

Some kind of feeling hit her then. Perhaps a deep shame in herself? Perhaps, a self-hatred? People want to say narcissistic people never ever feel, but that is not true every single way. Whatever she felt in that moment made her erupt in what I'd call narcissistic rage.

Shame is something buried inside themselves, and I think sometimes a narcissistic person hate the glimpse they get of themselves. Make them see themselves, or leave them, and Narcissistic Rage erupts. Grandiosity is one of the key defense mechanisms used to seek balance within themselves.

I can't explain it in depth, but I think this article speaks of the shame emotion.
​

What Narcissists Hide

I think I get what you’re saying and yeah, maybe something hit a nerve in her.

Thank you for your excellent explanation!

 

[Megnut]

I respect your thoughts on it. I wish I could express my thoughts on this better, and please know it's just MOO and attempt to further learn about aspects of NPD.

It's just that she suddenly started using the F-word in almost every sentence when she had not done that in the whole hour of phone talk. She went into some kind of rage or tangent. Something he said hit a nerve. She was reacting strongly and differently when Al asked her how she'd feel if it was Harley missing.

Some kind of feeling hit her then. Perhaps a deep shame in herself? Perhaps, a self-hatred? People want to say narcissistic people never ever feel, but that is not true every single way. Whatever she felt in that moment made her erupt in what I'd call narcissistic rage.

Shame is something buried inside themselves, and I think sometimes a narcissistic person hate the glimpse they get of themselves. Make them see themselves, or leave them, and Narcissistic Rage erupts. Grandiosity is one of the key defense mechanisms used to seek balance within themselves.

I can't explain it in depth, but I think this article speaks of the shame emotion.
​

What Narcissists Hide

There could certainly be a fractured personhood and a self-esteem dearth under her behavior but I think the f-bombs showed up only because she went defcon diversion. It's a strategy. It's very effective on 11 year olds ... it's exhausting for everyone else. IMO she was feigning umbrage, that Al could accuse her of such a thing. Plus IMO she was genuinely mad he wasn't responding as she expected. She tried it all. Fake reasoning, soft crying, cajoling, yelling, cursing.

And to be displaced from the home by LH, she probably felt her consitutioms were being violated.

i think she thought Al would lean into her.

It's a telling portrait in the courtroom. Even her own attorneys don't want to be near her.

Alone with the cesspool where a soul should've been.

JMO

 

[shotgun09]

The shrinking violet act in the corner makes me want to slap her.
Hiding behind her hair and crouching down low, sucking on her hands is an act.

I also noticed that she perks right up when the jury is out of the room. Amazing

 

[Cindizzi]

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[Megnut]

Did I hear T say she was in culture shock?

It's like her brain is a blown up dictionary.

 

[watergirl62]

I respect your thoughts on it. I wish I could express my thoughts on this better, and please know it's just MOO and attempt to further learn about aspects of NPD.

It's just that she suddenly started using the F-word in almost every sentence when she had not done that in the whole hour of phone talk. She went into some kind of rage or tangent. Something he said hit a nerve. She was reacting strongly and differently when Al asked her how she'd feel if it was Harley missing.

Some kind of feeling hit her then. Perhaps a deep shame in herself? Perhaps, a self-hatred? People want to say narcissistic people never ever feel, but that is not true every single way. Whatever she felt in that moment made her erupt in what I'd call narcissistic rage.

Shame is something buried inside themselves, and I think sometimes a narcissistic person hate the glimpse they get of themselves. Make them see themselves, or leave them, and Narcissistic Rage erupts. Grandiosity is one of the key defense mechanisms used to seek balance within themselves.

I can't explain it in depth, but I think this article speaks of the shame emotion.
​

What Narcissists Hide

Agree, and from my experience, it's like a never ending game of whack- a-mole, and it is f-n exhausting.

The tactical defensive response to losing control of the facade, or the narrative is always diversion, obfuscation and "I'm the victim."

Add to that her over-the-top histrionics. I found her triggering and just wanted to set my head on fire.

Does she believe her own lies?

 

[Marysmith]

I am unable to watch but I can read on here. Thank you all for keeping me up to date. Appreciate you!!! What an awesome group here for Gannon!

Me too!! So appreciate every single comment!!

 

[Marysmith]

Agree, and from my experience, it's like a never ending game of whack- a-mole, and it is f-n exhausting.

The tactical defensive response to losing control of the facade, or the narrative is always diversion, obfuscation and "I'm the victim."

Add to that her over-the-top histrionics. I found her triggering and just wanted to set my head on fire.

Does she believe her own lies?

Good question. I’ve been through something similar with a (undiagnosed? not sure as we were never able to see the Psych report) person with what appeared to be strong Cluster B personality traits and I believe they act like this to convince themselves and others. Deep down they know the truth but something in them won’t allow them to face it. And they lie to cover it. It’s sooo emotionally exhausting and you can never win and never have an honest conversation with them. Al did amazing holding it together with her.
@Curious Me explained some of this way better!
But they know right from wrong. And they’re choosing their behaviours. IMO

 

[Ontario Mom]

The shrinking violet act in the corner makes me want to slap her.
Hiding behind her hair and crouching down low, sucking on her hands is an act.

I also noticed that she perks right up when the jury is out of the room. Amazing

I noticed and mentioned the exact same earlier.

 

[Kingsley]

She did but she also said GS bleeds all the time (nosebleeds)-- blames it on Colorado dryness.

And again, tiny threads of truth woven in. Many of us get nosebleeds when in CO, especially at altitude
Crazy-making for people to hear that mixture of lies and truth- especially loved ones who want to believe that person isn’t evil