CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #62

[Kiranerys]

OMG! She so should've answered that with "The food isn't THAT bad"

 

[Gut_feeling]

Did I just hear her correctly????? Regarding sex assault vs molestation??? What the EFF??? Her ignorance!!!!!! What must the jury be thinking right now? She's worthless now, in my opinion, as an expert witness.

 

[GoJacks]

Is her shirt on backwards? I don't think so. The shirt looks too small for her and it fits too tight. Going for the unflattering look, I guess.​

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Agreed.

I'm just happy to see her hair curtain is tied back today.

 

[10ofRods]

Jail system psychologists I'm familiar with are there for assessment, management and followup. They do more than taking notes. The note taking is the job of the clinicians.

Where I've worked, all interactions between a psychologist/prisoner or a psychiatrist/prisoner must be documented by that care provider. A Clinical Psychologist is considered a clinician in many state systems (including CO, not sure about Kansas).

Psychiatrists are too few and far between in many states for them to be the only ones doing charting. At any rate, where I've worked, every single person who encounters a prisoner is noted down by someone, and every single person who works as a medical or psychological caregiver must make some notes. Many reasons. For one, the jail has to show that it is caring for these people, but also, that's just basic medical/psychological practice.

Are you saying it's odd for a psychologist to take notes? I can't imagine how they could do an assessment or build a treatment plan without notes. It's the very first thing they're taught to do in clinical settings - long before they are licensed.

I never said they only take notes. I just said that they rarely enter into psychotherapy with inmates. That's a long term process to which the clinical psychologist must ethically commit and that's hard to do in a jail setting.

IMO.

 

[MsMarple]

Witness may be floundering but defense attorney is being a jerk. Letecia must be rubbing off on him as he’s being curt and even rude - said to witness something about how Letecia was in cell 23 hours and could have been eating her own feces since no one was watching every minute.

I get his point but his nasty tone and likely deliberate attempt to shake up the witness could backfire with the jury. Too much sarcasm, not enough content IMO.

 

[arielilane]

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[Seattle1]

This woman just massively effed up on the stand. I am shocked at her input on SA/molestation. SMH

Although I think Mohr's been a weak witness for the State, in medical/psychiatric terms, and not legal terms, child molestation and sexual assault are actually defined differently where molestation leans towards indecent vs sexual activities.

I understand she no longer resides in Colorado, I also think the state could have prepared her better. For example, she was obviously unaware her meeting notes would be discovered to the defense. MOO

 

[10ofRods]

Do we know whether the defense's expert ever met with T?

We don't. But I have read that like many forensic psychiatrists, Dr. Lewis mostly works from records and then gives a finding/dictates a report. I'd be very surprised if they've flown her out to Colorado Springs and we had no word of it, but it's possible.

IMO.

 

[arielilane]

Cook asks if, because she was not monitored constantly while locked up 23/7, it was possible that she shifted personalities in her cell. He’s also questioning whether Mohr could rule out various disorders within a 30-40-minute initial assessment.

Mohr says that someone actually experiencing those disorders would usually self-report due to a lower quality of life: “There would be a general concern that I would expect someone to report.” She also said that even if they don’t self-report, there would be observable oddities.

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[Curious Me]

Defense says many with DID are initially diagnosed with OCD, Bi Polar, etc.,? Dr. Mohr mentions symptoms sometimes are comorbidity, and still not DID. Dr. Mohr says Letecia exhibited none of the symptoms that Defense is trying to imply Letecia had. (He's trying to imply the doctor doesn't know all Letecia was exhibiting when in her cell.)
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reading DMS-5
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I think they're saying that repeated suicide attempts are notes in 70% of DID patients.

 

[GoJacks]

Witness may be floundering but defense attorney is being a jerk. Letecia must be rubbing off on him as he’s being curt and even rude - said to witness something about how Letecia was in cell 23 hours and could have been eating her own feces since no one was watching every minute.

I get his point but his nasty tone and likely deliberate attempt to shake up the witness could backfire with the jury. Too much sarcasm, not enough content IMO.

He's just coming off as a d*ck at this point.
Jmo

 

[kittythehare]

central records

This boy never heard of HIPAA.

 

[Seattle1]

She says she believes sexually assaulting a child is different than sexual molestation. Her opinion.

I disagree. It was child molestation vs child sexual assault.

Although I think Mohr's been a weak witness for the State, in medical/psychiatric terms, and not legal terms, child molestation and sexual assault are actually defined differently where molestation leans towards indecent vs sexual activities.

I understand she no longer resides in Colorado, I also think the state could have prepared her better. For example, she was obviously unaware her meeting notes would be discovered to the defense. MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

Cross resuming.

He's calling her back to the thing about LS reporting being abused as a child. She's acknowledging both instances exist in her notes, from Jun20 and Jan21. He's talking about Colorado law, and there being no difference between molestation and sexual assault. She's talking more about language used in a psychological setting, I think, about behaviours.

Talking about her intake, about whether she 'ruled out' DID quickly on that day. She says yes. I think that's going to come back to bite her.

Asking about her free hour, what she was allowed to do with it. She would have been transferred to another ward, could have talked to family on the telephone, shower, take out books, talked to other inmates. He's talking about how she's very restricted, how it's the same as solitary. She says that solitary is different, she could have had no contact with other inmates in solitary. Her conversations with LS lasted between five to thirty minutes. Her testimony is based on that and also reports from other staff and deputies. Cook is claiming he couldn't observe her for the other 23 hours. She's saying that's not true. The deputies check every fifteen minutes, and the cameras can see many things. He's now bringing in a suicide that happened during that time, that checks didn't happen.

He's talking about overt -vs- covert DID. How it's not obvious sometimes.

She said she would expect someone to report loss of memory, loss of time. That people with DID have a high incidence of attempted suicide and selfharm.

Oh, she just fell in a hole, she doesn't know the statistics on the long interval between seeking help and accurate diagnosis for DID. She doesn't even seem to know it's a problem. (The average I think is 10+ years, but don't quote me, I don't have time to Google it right now.)

He's wrong about OCD being a 'symptom of DID'. He's right that misdiagnosis is a major problem.

(I think the problem here is that her job is to quickly assess people for obvious problems. He's grilling her like LS came to him with problems in her life, privately, outside prison, and she ignored her.)

Wood: "Are you aware that people who are sick will deny that they're sick?" She talks about how there are many symptoms that are present that are observable in people who deny vehemently they are unwell but are. Wood: "So what they say is not indicative of whether they have a mental disorder or not." Witness: "Not exclusively." (Think this is actually a good point for the prosecution, with LS claiming she is mentally ill around her competency hearing.)

Now he's asking if DID can be comorbid with things. (IMO - The short answer is yes.) She says it depends on how the symptoms overlap. (IMO - So if the symptoms can all be linked with DID, then a second diagnosis often isn't necessary or appropriate.)

He's asking about the rate of repeated suicidal ideation and attempts. Now implying she was on suicide watch because she was suicidal. Witness denies that, says it was for LS's safety.

End cross.

 

[kittythehare]

I suppose the tissue was for his tears?

 

[Cindizzi]

Letter LS sent to Judge February 2021

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/Letter%20addressed%20to%20Judge%20Werner%203-8-21.pdf

 

[arielilane]

She is awfully inquisitive and partaking in her own cross. imo

 

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[kittythehare]

You screw with my witness and I will ensure that you will be investigated for malpractice, real ethical violations right there.. discouraging a client from receiving competent mental help.

Diagnosis probably altering following each visit...
wowsers!
She has just destroyed her entire defense!
Amiright?

 

[dyannaON]

Did I just catch the tail end of a match between lawyers! Hahaha love it!