CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #63

[jakat]

It all started when she threw the names of the 1996's Olympic Gymnastic Stars out. One of her alters was bff's with Keri Strug and Dominique (?? Something?)
Factual and True/ Real people being used in her stori-lies.

Dawes? Tecia's just an idiot that deserves to be strung up and hung. Can you tell how much I hate her?

 

[iamshadow21]

I agree. I’m a lefty so maybe that has something to do with it but I have several different styles of writing. Different enough that I once received a letter from the county courthouse saying my signature wasn’t matching what they had on file for mail in voting.

I can’t explain why I vary my writing but I’m pretty sure it has nothing to do with different personalities or loss of time.

My partner's father is a lefty who got hit with a ruler by his teacher for writing with his left, so he writes with his right, and does everything else with his left. Some folks are ambidextrous and can write with both hands. Some ambidextrous folks are show-offs who can write with both at the same time. Some people are incredibly gifted at mimicking others' handwriting, and can go on to very efficient forgery, or may just change up their own handwriting whenever they get bored.

Graphology and psychological handwriting analysis was more of interest in the era when Dr Lewis began practicing. It was thought that how you wrote - pressure, slant, etc - said something about your personality. It's now generally thought that that is bunkum.

The only use in handwriting analysis these days is forensic. Proving things like forgery, or that someone specific could have written a threatening letter, that kind of thing. But even that is a discipline of interpretation, not hard science. They're far more likely to check the questioned document for fingerprints and DNA and run with that, if it's present, than try to hang a case on how someone loops their 'e's, connects their 'l's, or spaces their words. Even with a forged signature, they're examining the ink - was it a different pen, was it signed at a different time to the other writing, etc.

MOO

 

[jakat]

The ward she was on had nurses (per testimony this week). That's what they are wanting - the day to day notes of the psych ward nurses, which reveal day to day issues and behaviors.

Okay, I missed that. Probably when I didn't have electricity or a computer. Glad that's over!

 

[jakat]

I agree. I’m a lefty so maybe that has something to do with it but I have several different styles of writing. Different enough that I once received a letter from the county courthouse saying my signature wasn’t matching what they had on file for mail in voting.

I can’t explain why I vary my writing but I’m pretty sure it has nothing to do with different personalities or loss of time.

I'm a lefty, too but I can't write worth a crap and that's printing, not script which is even worse. They'd get nothing from me.

 

[jakat]

I've not even had my first-morning tea yet but felt compelled to put the call out for a Member's Grandmother to phone Prosecutor Dave Young today and remind him this is the final stretch, and he best leave Wednesday's eejit at home!

Given the state might need to call Dr. Torres back to rebut the defense DID expert (Dr. Lewis), it's imperative Young redeem himself and Dr.Torres be able to finish strong in the eyes of the jurors on Friday. Chop, chop!

IMO, Dr. Lewis is somewhat of a wildcard. Seems that part of her success in advocating for the polarizing subject of DID is that the 85 yr old 'bubbly' Psychiatrist carries a likable quality about her.

Who Is Dr. Dorothy Lewis, The 'Bubbly' Psychiatrist Who Studied Serial Killers? | Oxygen

A few people were pioneers in the study of serial murder. You may know about famed former FBI profiler John Douglas, the inspiration behind Holden Ford’s character in “Mindhunter,” are you familiar with Dr. Dorothy Lewis?

www.oxygen.com

She can be likable and bubbly all she wants. I'm sure she's a very nice person. I just don't want the jury to buy it, because for Tecia it's a load of crap, but that's just my opinion.

 

[10ofRods]

What do you Dr. Lewis would try to prove with LS handwriting and signature PRIOR to the offense?

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Frankly, I'm afraid she'll use them as tea leaves and attempt to intuit some kind of neurological issue via handwriting.

IMO.

 

[10ofRods]

Okay, I missed that. Probably when I didn't have electricity or a computer. Glad that's over!

It's in the discovery request that @Seattle posted today. It's on a list in which all the other employees of the detention facility appear to be mentioned by class of employment. It does not request any specific things about LS except her handwriting.

IMO.

 

[Seattle1]

Perhaps we could ask their Public Information Officer Lt. Black to let DY know how we feel?

I’ve long admired Black and thought he was very affable. Before he retired from local PD I would see him speaking to media all the time.

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Good idea! I didn't know this about him (former LE) but I've seen he makes announcements and includes his email for any questions! He might also be able to answer my question about whether or not the Court plans on releasing copies of the exhibits. (I really want to see Agent Hoyland's CAST PowerPoint -- I'm a geek for phone/data forensics).

 

[Kiranerys]

I agree. I’m a lefty so maybe that has something to do with it but I have several different styles of writing. Different enough that I once received a letter from the county courthouse saying my signature wasn’t matching what they had on file for mail in voting.

I can’t explain why I vary my writing but I’m pretty sure it has nothing to do with different personalities or loss of time.

I'm right handed but can write perfectly adequately with my left, but it takes me longer.
My handwriting is different all the time too, it used to be lovely but now I can't hold a pen so well (hypermobility) it is more scrawl. I can still do it nicely but it takes much longer and it makes my digits hurt for hours afterwards.

But like you, I could definitely present two pieces of writing and you wouldn't think the same person wrote both.

Mum is left handed amd she has always been able to write quite well, which as a child schooled in the 50's really surprised me, they did try to wrap it out of her though.

 

[girlhasnoname]

What do you Dr. Lewis would try to prove with LS handwriting and signature PRIOR to the offense?

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JMO, that she had a dissociative event during Gannon's murder that caused her to literally write like a different person.

I don't think that's going to work out for her.

 

[Seattle1]

What do you Dr. Lewis would try to prove with LS handwriting and signature PRIOR to the offense?

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When the defense was requesting EEG/MRI testing late last year, Judge Werner asked my own question about if Dr. Lewis says there's a defect detected on LS's brain per the EEG/MRI in Nov 2022 (a random date by me), but there's no baseline for these tests, what's to say if the defect occurred after the Jan 2020 murder, or if LS was born with the defect?

IMO, Lewis uses the EEG and MRI tests as tools because there's case law for the tests, and not that they necessarily support and/or prove the defendant has DID.

For example, one of her subjects was NY serial killer Arthur Shawcross whose medical records revealed he had a cyst and scarring on his temporal lobe (known to dramatically alter behavior). At trial, the defense alleged he had DID. The jury didn't buy what the defense was selling and he was convicted and sentenced to 250 years. Looking back, Lewis says it should have been a neurologic defense and admits the prosecutor made her look like an idiot.

In the HBO documentary (Crazy: Not Insane), I recall experts opined that Lewis's interviewing technique was responsible for the alters to speak because she was coaching the subject. I can agree with this because we often see this during testimony when a lawyer leads the witness.

I'm also not buying that samples of changes in handwriting confirm the alter is responsible for the sample.

There are several YT Videos online (DID Handwriting Analysis (Dissociative Identity Disorder/OSDD writing) with disclaimers for speculation purposes only. MOO

 

[twall]

Okay, so after looking at the document posted by @Seattle a page or so ago, I'll try to summarize. It's about Dr. Lewis and is a summary of her work for discovery purposes.

First of all, she was six weeks late with her report.

Second of all, apparently she never met with or spoke to LS. All of her impressions are based on the records obtained during her competency and sanity determinations. She claims she didn't get these records in a timely fashion. She wants jail records, social worker records, any corrections psychiatric records, etc. She wants LS's handwriting. Nursing notes. Medical records, etc.

Of interest: the Defense wanted further neuropsychiatric evaluation done on LS and submitted to Laura Leach, Ph.D. (a forensic psychologist). She's a graduate of the illustrious Alliant University in Los Angeles. I am being sarcastic. Some university rating systems allocate Alliant to the rank of 440 out of 443 universities ranked. Others put it as high as 331. It gets 2 stars out of 5 in most rating systems. It has both real world and online pathways to a degree in psychology.

Having said that, every graduate of every university is only as good as the individual themselves. She could be outstanding. However, Dr. Leach is certainly not a published expert (I can't find anything scholarly written by her). She does psychometry and forensic psychology, but nothing about whether she's an expert in the kinds of biomarkers that Dr Lewis says accompany DID.

TL;DR The Defense will likely be offering its own neuropsychiatric data, from separate testing done on around February 20, 2023.

The discovery document does not state whether Dr. Leach would be traveling to CO to actually interact with LS. She is. based in Denver, CO, so it's likely that she may have traveled to EPC to see LS on Feb. 20.

Here's the document link again (thanks so much, @Seattle).

Where are you getting Dr. Lewis never met with or spoke to LS?

Page 2 #8-On November 15th through the 17th of 2022, the Defendant participated in video recorded forensic interviews with Dr. Lewis, which have been discovered to the People.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/P-43%20People%27s%20Motion%20for%20Discovery.pdf

 

[Megnut]

Where are you getting Dr. Lewis never met with or spoke to LS?

Page 2 #8-On November 15th through the 17th of 2022, the Defendant participated in video recorded forensic interviews with Dr. Lewis, which have been discovered to the People.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/P-43%20People%27s%20Motion%20for%20Discovery.pdf

Oh, please let there be video.

 

[MsMarple]

When the defense was requesting EEG/MRI testing late last year, Judge Werner asked my own question about if Dr. Lewis says there's a defect detected on LS's brain per the EEG/MRI in Nov 2022 (a random date by me), but there's no baseline for these tests, what's to say if the defect occurred after the Jan 2020 murder, or if LS was born with the defect?

IMO, Lewis uses the EEG and MRI tests as tools because there's case law for the tests, and not that they necessarily support and/or prove the defendant has DID.

For example, one of her subjects was NY serial killer Arthur Shawcross whose medical records revealed he had a cyst and scarring on his temporal lobe (known to dramatically alter behavior). At trial, the defense alleged he had DID. The jury didn't buy what the defense was selling and he was convicted and sentenced to 250 years. Looking back, Lewis says it should have been a neurologic defense and admits the prosecutor made her look like an idiot.

In the HBO documentary (Crazy: Not Insane), I recall experts opined that Lewis's interviewing technique was responsible for the alters to speak because she was coaching the subject. I can agree with this because we often see this during testimony when a lawyer leads the witness.

I'm also not buying that samples of changes in handwriting confirm the alter is responsible for the sample.

There are several YT Videos online (DID Handwriting Analysis (Dissociative Identity Disorder/OSDD writing) with disclaimers for speculation purposes only. MOO

Soooo… in your opinion are we looking at controversial theories, debunked science, junk science or a theory with some evidence that should be explored further? Have you seen any peer reviews?

I’m not trying to foist the research off onto you, so feel free to decline answering. You seem to know much about Dr. Lewis and her work. I’m looking at her with a skeptical eye and admit some bias.

 

[Cindizzi]

Found this Defense Motion regarding the 2nd sanity evaluation filed back in September 2022.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/20CR1358%20-%20D-47.pdf

 

[10ofRods]

Where are you getting Dr. Lewis never met with or spoke to LS?

Page 2 #8-On November 15th through the 17th of 2022, the Defendant participated in video recorded forensic interviews with Dr. Lewis, which have been discovered to the People.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/P-43%20People%27s%20Motion%20for%20Discovery.pdf

Okay.

Zoom psychiatric sessions aren’t the same, IMO. Transference is important in Dx. ESP for Zebra illnesses. But better than nothing

There are feelings that arise only with direct contact.

IMO

One of those is fear. I respect those who actually meet in the same space with dangerous people. Would be far more convincing as psychiatric testimony to me. Esp since Lewis uses some psychoanalytic principles.

 

[Teche]

Okay, so after looking at the document posted by @Seattle a page or so ago, I'll try to summarize. It's about Dr. Lewis and is a summary of her work for discovery purposes.

First of all, she was six weeks late with her report.

Second of all, apparently she never met with or spoke to LS. All of her impressions are based on the records obtained during her competency and sanity determinations. She claims she didn't get these records in a timely fashion. She wants jail records, social worker records, any corrections psychiatric records, etc. She wants LS's handwriting. Nursing notes. Medical records, etc.

Of interest: the Defense wanted further neuropsychiatric evaluation done on LS and submitted to Laura Leach, Ph.D. (a forensic psychologist). She's a graduate of the illustrious Alliant University in Los Angeles. I am being sarcastic. Some university rating systems allocate Alliant to the rank of 440 out of 443 universities ranked. Others put it as high as 331. It gets 2 stars out of 5 in most rating systems. It has both real world and online pathways to a degree in psychology.

Having said that, every graduate of every university is only as good as the individual themselves. She could be outstanding. However, Dr. Leach is certainly not a published expert (I can't find anything scholarly written by her). She does psychometry and forensic psychology, but nothing about whether she's an expert in the kinds of biomarkers that Dr Lewis says accompany DID.

TL;DR The Defense will likely be offering its own neuropsychiatric data, from separate testing done on around February 20, 2023.

The discovery document does not state whether Dr. Leach would be traveling to CO to actually interact with LS. She is. based in Denver, CO, so it's likely that she may have traveled to EPC to see LS on Feb. 20.

Here's the document link again (thanks so much, @Seattle).

Thank you for all you do to educate us. I appreciate all you do.

 

[iamshadow21]

Okay.

Zoom psychiatric sessions aren’t the same, IMO. Transference is important in Dx. ESP for Zebra illnesses. But better than nothing

There are feelings that arise only with direct contact.

IMO

One of those is fear. I respect those who actually meet in the same space with dangerous people. Would be far more convincing as psychiatric testimony to me. Esp since Lewis uses some psychoanalytic principles.

It says video recorded... that just means, as far as I can tell, that they taped it, like they did with the sessions with Dr Torres and Dr Grey that we saw yesterday. I don't see anything about it being done over Zoom. Did I miss something?

MOO

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

The witch reminds me of Morticia.

Nah, Morticia is elegant and relatively pretty

 

[Seattle1]

Soooo… in your opinion are we looking at controversial theories, debunked science, junk science or a theory with some evidence that should be explored further? Have you seen any peer reviews?

I’m not trying to foist the research off onto you, so feel free to decline answering. You seem to know much about Dr. Lewis and her work. I’m looking at her with a skeptical eye and admit some bias.

Since I wasn't big on multiple personality disorder long before it was renamed DID, I wanted to do additional research for any updated info since the identification changed in 1994 to dissociative identity disorder, and didn't want to be surprised by some novel assessment.

I only wish Dr. Grimmett's testimony came a week earlier to save me the time since she confirmed in her testimony that DID remains very rare -- she's never seen it and probably won't ever see it.

What percentage of the world has DID?

Dissociative identity disorder (DID) is a rare psychiatric disorder diagnosed in about 1.5% of the global population. This disorder is often misdiagnosed and often requires multiple assessments for an accurate diagnosis. May 17, 2022

IMO, the rub here is that the defense expert, Dr. Lewis, 85, is pretty much the pioneer for promoting DID as a criminal defense for murderers, But then there's not too much competition for experts of a rare mental condition used to keep criminals out of prisons.

But probably more important as evidence of LS being misdiagnosed by Lewis is that most patients generally spend 5-13 years in treatment before being diagnosed with DID. We know that LS fails this generality miserably.

IMO, the defense more or less threw a dart at the wall to come up with DID since narcissism is not a respectable or sympathetic excuse for murdering a little boy.

To summarize, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-5)criteria for DID include at least two or more distinct personalities. Each personality varies in behavior, sense of consciousness, memory, and perception of the outside world. Persons with DID experience amnesia, which essentially are distinct gaps in memory and recollections of daily and traumatic events. They cannot be directly related to substance use or part of cultural norms or practices. Importantly, these symptoms must cause a notable lack of functioning in day-to-day life

IMO, LS diagnosis was purchased and I believe the jurors will see through the smoke and mirror of sympathetic Dr. Lewis.


NIH -- Dissociative Identity Disorder