CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #63

[Cindizzi]

 

[iamshadow21]

I don't know - but that's interesting. Her brain is really befuddled and unusual. Her mother was (apparently) originally a Hardin. Then married and became Lowry, right?

I think I can find the half-brother's birthdate if I try. I hate to say much about him, but birthdate might be publicly available.

IMO.

If you look at uploads of D's testimony, he talks about the age difference between them and how they are related at length. That's part of the public record of the trial, and shouldn't bump into TOS.

MOO

 

[10ofRods]

Maybe I misheard but didn't we learn that was her brother's middle name ?

His middle name is James, I believe.

IMO.

 

[Cindizzi]

I don't know - but that's interesting. Her brain is really befuddled and unusual. Her mother was (apparently) originally a Hardin. Then married and became Lowry, right?

I think I can find the half-brother's birthdate if I try. I hate to say much about him, but birthdate might be publicly available.

IMO.

Didn't take long (I have a couple of subscription databases that rely on public information). He is 13 years younger than Letecia, I believe. He was born in 1998, I believe.

So. You may have solved that mystery. T. reminds me a little bit of my Histrionic cousin (we buried her last week and it's a very sad story). She got things all muddled. It is awful, actually and very damaging to the whole family. Could that be who T. is referring to? The...aggrandizement of the relationship is a very familiar thing to me. The half-brother becomes "the biological son." It's a kind of loose association.

IMO.

Prosecution asked him on the stand about their age difference. He said LS was 14 when he was born.

 

[Cindizzi]

I've made no recent changes to anything but yes, this is the way the forum looks now. Huge gaps between posts.

Weird . I don’t see a huge gap between all posts. Just a couple times per page.

 

[10ofRods]

Since I wasn't big on multiple personality disorder long before it was renamed DID, I wanted to do additional research for any updated info since the identification changed in 1994 to dissociative identity disorder, and didn't want to be surprised by some novel assessment.

I only wish Dr. Grimmett's testimony came a week earlier to save me the time since she confirmed in her testimony that DID remains very rare -- she's never seen it and probably won't ever see it.

What percentage of the world has DID?

Dissociative identity disorder (DID) is a rare psychiatric disorder diagnosed in about 1.5% of the global population. This disorder is often misdiagnosed and often requires multiple assessments for an accurate diagnosis. May 17, 2022

IMO, the rub here is that the defense expert, Dr. Lewis, 85, is pretty much the pioneer for promoting DID as a criminal defense for murderers, But then there's not too much competition for experts of a rare mental condition used to keep criminals out of prisons.

But probably more important as evidence of LS being misdiagnosed by Lewis is that most patients generally spend 5-13 years in treatment before being diagnosed with DID. We know that LS fails this generality miserably.

IMO, the defense more or less threw a dart at the wall to come up with DID since narcissism is not a respectable or sympathetic excuse for murdering a little boy.

To summarize, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-5)criteria for DID include at least two or more distinct personalities. Each personality varies in behavior, sense of consciousness, memory, and perception of the outside world. Persons with DID experience amnesia, which essentially are distinct gaps in memory and recollections of daily and traumatic events. They cannot be directly related to substance use or part of cultural norms or practices. Importantly, these symptoms must cause a notable lack of functioning in day-to-day life

IMO, LS diagnosis was purchased and I believe the jurors will see through the smoke and mirror of sympathetic Dr. Lewis.


NIH -- Dissociative Identity Disorder

My main problem with these sources is that 1.5% of people having DID seems really high. Really high. That makes it more common than schizophrenia.

The math doesn't work out (and, well, I'd like to see the DSM/ICD research that says that - epidemiology is kind of my thing). Schizophrenia isn't rare. It's fairly common - 1% is a lot, when it comes to mental illness. And I keep seeing American stats state that DID is 1.5%. Wow.

So, 1% of the world is schizophrenic. 1.5% is DID (!)

4.4% are Bipolar. Only 0.3% of people have both bipolar AND schizophrenia. So we're at about 6.8% of the world's population with severe, biologically determined mental illness? But 6.8% are not all in treatment, worldwide, and certainly, not that many in treatment in the US. And we haven't even gotten to Major Depression.

That's another 3.5%. But we're left with 10% of the worldwide population with major, biological mental disorders (which begins to beg the question of...what is normal?) Since we now know that Antisocial PD has strong genetic and biologic components (here we have wildly varying stats - which is, I think, as it should be, as we tread out into sociocultural norms of behavior). But let's say it's 2%.

This doesn't correspond to my own personal experience (12% of people I meet are not in these categories, AFAIK).

I think that DID and DID researchers tend to find more people with DID. There, I said it. It becomes a psychiatric industry. As you can probably tell, my take on this is one reason that I've been privileged to engage in psychiatric research, with psychiatrists who want further data inclined to want a sociocultural or biocultural perspective. The rates in undeveloped countries are much lower (of any diagnosis, for complex reasons).

But DID constituting 1.5% of the population? More DID people than schizophrenics. I wonder if Dr Lewis is promoting this view (she seems to be, to me).

It's scary to think about.

I totally agree that LS's diagnosis was purchased. And I think those very few clinicians who specialize in DID (most have never seen it) would be suspect in their views. People want excuses. Fugue/dissociative states are common, worldwide, but not usually classified as mental illness. Where is the research showing that all dissociative states are mental illness? The State's expert testified that such states occur and are normal (and I agree, worldwide, it's normal and even indulged or encouraged).

Your research that shows that most DID people take years to diagnose is important.

IMO. Three days with a patient is silly and not enough. IMO.

 

[Seattle1]

I don't see how we can know, either way. But I doubt that Dr Lewis travelled to Colorado Springs. Perhaps she did. Somewhere there's an article on her consulting method. I'll try to find it.

It's less important to me that they video'ed it (hopefully without LS's knowledge), than that Dr. Lewis actually came to CoSprings.

Given that there were some difficulties getting her to present her report on time, I am surprised if she made the trip on those days and then didn't give the report to the Court in a more timely fashion (while the events were fresh, as video cannot record the micro-expressions and other aspects that are necessary - IMO - to a Dx of DID).

Now I'm really wondering if those interviews will be shown in Court. Three days is a lot of interviewing, if in fact we are to understand that Dr Lewis spent 3 days interviewing her. The way it's worded (defendant "participated" instead of "defendant was interviewed by") is, I guess, what makes me think it was a tele-visit.

I'd like to read the words "seen by" but I sure am curious to see what "participation" Letecia brought to those sessions.

I hope Dr Lewis isn't going to try and present "alters" from three days of interviews, whether in person or otherwise. It will be much more convincing, though, if she was there in person, IMO.

It doesn't have to be Zoom - but I can't shake the idea that this was done remotely. I feel as if the discovery documents would mention this as an in person interview, if it were. But maybe not.

IMO.

Once the defense entered NGRI, all expectations of privacy by LS went out the window-- including her medical reports and the video interviews we saw of her evaluations by the State doctors.

If there are videos between LS and Dr. Lewis, it's in discovery!

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

I know I am about 14 hours behind in reaction but I absolutely love this witness. She is my new hero. I'm at 1 hour: 10 min.
and I haven't gone to bed yet

Quoting own post.
Add Dr. Torres to that spot too

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

Oh, if only belly contained cash and not just fat



You geek away, and I will join you, have you seen my username?

RBBM
As soon as I read that, it clicked.
If only I borrow a dragon.

 

[Seattle1]

My main problem with these sources is that 1.5% of people having DID seems really high. Really high. That makes it more common than schizophrenia.

The math doesn't work out (and, well, I'd like to see the DSM/ICD research that says that - epidemiology is kind of my thing). Schizophrenia isn't rare. It's fairly common - 1% is a lot, when it comes to mental illness. And I keep seeing American stats state that DID is 1.5%. Wow.

So, 1% of the world is schizophrenic. 1.5% is DID (!)

4.4% are Bipolar. Only 0.3% of people have both bipolar AND schizophrenia. So we're at about 6.8% of the world's population with severe, biologically determined mental illness? But 6.8% are not all in treatment, worldwide, and certainly, not that many in treatment in the US. And we haven't even gotten to Major Depression.

That's another 3.5%. But we're left with 10% of the worldwide population with major, biological mental disorders (which begins to beg the question of...what is normal?) Since we now know that Antisocial PD has strong genetic and biologic components (here we have wildly varying stats - which is, I think, as it should be, as we tread out into sociocultural norms of behavior). But let's say it's 2%.

This doesn't correspond to my own personal experience (12% of people I meet are not in these categories, AFAIK).

I think that DID and DID researchers tend to find more people with DID. There, I said it. It becomes a psychiatric industry. As you can probably tell, my take on this is one reason that I've been privileged to engage in psychiatric research, with psychiatrists who want further data inclined to want a sociocultural or biocultural perspective. The rates in undeveloped countries are much lower (of any diagnosis, for complex reasons).

But DID constituting 1.5% of the population? More DID people than schizophrenics. I wonder if Dr Lewis is promoting this view (she seems to be, to me).

It's scary to think about.

I totally agree that LS's diagnosis was purchased. And I think those very few clinicians who specialize in DID (most have never seen it) would be suspect in their views. People want excuses. Fugue/dissociative states are common, worldwide, but not usually classified as mental illness. Where is the research showing that all dissociative states are mental illness? The State's expert testified that such states occur and are normal (and I agree, worldwide, it's normal and even indulged or encouraged).

Your research that shows that most DID people take years to diagnose is important.

IMO. Three days with a patient is silly and not enough. IMO.

The reference from NIH states about 1.5% of the world/global population is diagnosed with DID (and many are misdiagnosed). Silly me -- trusting a government source.

ETA: Second source

How common is DID?​

DID is very rare. The disorder affects between 0.01 and 1% of the population. It can occur at any age. Women are more likely than men to have DID. [6-3-2021]

Dissociative Identity Disorder: What Is It, Symptoms & Treatment

Dissociative identity disorder (DID) is a mental health condition. People with DID have 2 or more personalities that change the way the person behaves.

my.clevelandclinic.org

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

I don't know - but that's interesting. Her brain is really befuddled and unusual. Her mother was (apparently) originally a Hardin. Then married and became Lowry, right?

I think I can find the half-brother's birthdate if I try. I hate to say much about him, but birthdate might be publicly available.

IMO.

Didn't take long (I have a couple of subscription databases that rely on public information). He is 13 years younger than Letecia, I believe. He was born in 1998, I believe.

So. You may have solved that mystery. T. reminds me a little bit of my Histrionic cousin (we buried her last week and it's a very sad story). She got things all muddled. It is awful, actually and very damaging to the whole family. Could that be who T. is referring to? The...aggrandizement of the relationship is a very familiar thing to me. The half-brother becomes "the biological son." It's a kind of loose association.

IMO.

This is what I was thinking. Maybe she looked after him sometimes and resented she had to, or reaching I know, could he be hers?

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

Love this clip

 

[Gut_feeling]

Love this clip

View attachment 417693

Looks like The Breakfast Club in an alternate universe

 

[LaborDayRN]

Agree. Instead of "How do you solve a problem like Maria?" LS figured out "how to solve a problem WITH Maria."

Oh no! Now I'll be hearing that song all night! (which I LOVE by the way)

 

[iamshadow21]

Once the defense entered NGRI, all expectations of privacy by LS went out the window-- including her medical reports and the video interviews we saw of her evaluations by the State doctors.

If there are videos between LS and Dr. Lewis, it's in discovery!

I'm very tired, but I'm pretty sure Dr Torres talked about them yesterday, said she watched them. I could be wrong, though.

MOO

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

I have lost count of the ways the word 'dissociative' has been mispronounced in this trial, but for some reason, this witness's mispronunciation annoys me most!

Die-so-see-ah-tiv. Whhhhhhyyyyyy?

(It's diss-oh-see-ah-tiv, in case anyone is confused.)

MOO

It's a North American thing.
It's strange.
I would pronounce it the same as you.
Some pronunciations are between UK and Aussie, and some are between the UK and the States, and there are some that Aussie and the States share.
For the past 14 years I have had many Canadian and Australian people in my life (I'm a Brit expat, with a Canadian husband, and I have a son (boyfriend) in law from Australia.

 

[Seattle1]

Where are you getting Dr. Lewis never met with or spoke to LS?

Page 2 #8-On November 15th through the 17th of 2022, the Defendant participated in video recorded forensic interviews with Dr. Lewis, which have been discovered to the People.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/P-43%20People%27s%20Motion%20for%20Discovery.pdf

Confirming the video recorded forensic interviews of LS with Dr Lewis have been discovered to the state. Hope we see them sooner than later so the state's experts can rebut and put an end to this charade. JMO

 

[Niner]

Really really glad there's a rest day tomorrow. I've come to the realisation that I'm inching up on autistic burnout, and I very much want to avoid that. I will be listening and commenting till the end of trial, because I'm still deeply interested and invested, but I am towards the end of my reserves. I have to remember that I spent the last eight months clawing my way back from long COVID to something approaching normality for me. I don't want to be back where I was even four months ago because I'm too boneheaded to listen to myself.

I need a gif with a rainbow and the words selfcare in flowing calligraphy. You can all imagine it, I'm too tired to google one.

MOO

The best I could do! Sorry to hear you won't be posting on what's going on. I have used your posts as reference....

Wanted to keep y'all informed, so letting you know I have a flight tomorrow and will not be back until next week. I won't be uploading any tweets. I already miss this wonderful team and I haven't even boarded my plane yet.

Have a safe trip & enjoy having FUN!! We will miss you here.

@Cindizzi - if you are going to continue posting Ashley Portillo's tweets - I can make a summary of them. But it probably won't be until late in the day for me - as I am 9 hours ahead of Colorado time - so I will have to post the rest in (my) morning. If that is okay? ??

Maria is the name of the vampire who turns Jasper into a vampire. I'm not recalling a Harmony, however.

Oh, and the actor Taylor from the series used to date Taylor Swift and is currently married to another woman named Taylor. It's like she used the books and tabloids to "create" this stuff.

If you noticed one of her alias' IS Taylor Swift.... LOL!

 

[NCWatcher]

My main problem with these sources is that 1.5% of people having DID seems really high. Really high. That makes it more common than schizophrenia.

The math doesn't work out (and, well, I'd like to see the DSM/ICD research that says that - epidemiology is kind of my thing). Schizophrenia isn't rare. It's fairly common - 1% is a lot, when it comes to mental illness. And I keep seeing American stats state that DID is 1.5%. Wow.

So, 1% of the world is schizophrenic. 1.5% is DID (!)

4.4% are Bipolar. Only 0.3% of people have both bipolar AND schizophrenia. So we're at about 6.8% of the world's population with severe, biologically determined mental illness? But 6.8% are not all in treatment, worldwide, and certainly, not that many in treatment in the US. And we haven't even gotten to Major Depression.

That's another 3.5%. But we're left with 10% of the worldwide population with major, biological mental disorders (which begins to beg the question of...what is normal?) Since we now know that Antisocial PD has strong genetic and biologic components (here we have wildly varying stats - which is, I think, as it should be, as we tread out into sociocultural norms of behavior). But let's say it's 2%.

This doesn't correspond to my own personal experience (12% of people I meet are not in these categories, AFAIK).

I think that DID and DID researchers tend to find more people with DID. There, I said it. It becomes a psychiatric industry. As you can probably tell, my take on this is one reason that I've been privileged to engage in psychiatric research, with psychiatrists who want further data inclined to want a sociocultural or biocultural perspective. The rates in undeveloped countries are much lower (of any diagnosis, for complex reasons).

But DID constituting 1.5% of the population? More DID people than schizophrenics. I wonder if Dr Lewis is promoting this view (she seems to be, to me).

It's scary to think about.

I totally agree that LS's diagnosis was purchased. And I think those very few clinicians who specialize in DID (most have never seen it) would be suspect in their views. People want excuses. Fugue/dissociative states are common, worldwide, but not usually classified as mental illness. Where is the research showing that all dissociative states are mental illness? The State's expert testified that such states occur and are normal (and I agree, worldwide, it's normal and even indulged or encouraged).

Your research that shows that most DID people take years to diagnose is important.

IMO. Three days with a patient is silly and not enough. IMO.

I agree it seems unlikely DID is more common than schizophrenia. But prevalence estimates are tricky. Because "public" cases/presentations of schizophrenia tend to be dramatic, lay people may overestimate its prevalence. And as you say, 1% is still a lot of people.

Here's a really interesting article about the prevalence of DID in various countries. The article does note the old idea DID is confined to western countries has been refuted.

Dissociative Identity Disorder Globally

The task for the jury is still does LS have DID, and if she does, did that make her insane at the time of the crime? But obviously it's going to take more evidence to convince them she has a rare disorder vs a more common one. But at the end of the day, I'm not sure prevalence should be a big jury concern.

JMO

 

[Niner]

Friday, April 28th:
*Trial continues (Day 16) (@ 9am MT) – CO – Gannon Jacob Stauch (11) (reported missing Jan. 27, 2020, Colorado Springs; found in a suitcase along the Escambia River Bridge (on US90) on Mar. 17, 2020 in Pace, FL., Santa Rosa County; ID’d on June 6, 2020) – *Letecia Lynn (or Leann) Stauch (36/now 39) akas Letecia “Tecia” Lynn Hardin (maiden name) & Letecia Lynn Hunt (1st married name), Tiffany Taylor Stauch & Taylor Swift arrested (in Myrtle Beach, S.C. on 3/2/20) & advised of charges (3/5/20) & charged (3/11/20 & re-filed 3/20/20) & arraigned (11/4/21) with 2 counts of 1st degree felony murder (after intent & deliberation), 2nd degree felony child abuse resulting in death (this count dismissed on 4/3/23), 3rd degree felony tampering with deceased human body, 6th degree felony tampering with physical evidence & 8 counts of crime of violence (special enhancer: firearm, blunt instrument, knife or sharp instrument & causing the death of Gannon). Held without bond. Plead not guilty. On 2/11/22 changed plea to not guilty by reason of insanity. (for original charges (3/5/20) see post 362 page 19 of thread #54).
*Charged (filed 5/20/20) & charged (6/5/20) with solicitation to commit escape. $2K bond. Plead not guilty.
Stauch faces a second case in which she is accused of attempting to escape from the El Paso County jail in May 2020. The second case against Stauch is on hold until the completion of the 1st degree murder trial.
Trial began on 3/20/23 with jury selection & ended on 4/3/23 for final jury selection with 11 men & 7 women. 12 jurors & 6 alternates. 4/17/23: Juror 12 dismissed. 11 men & 6 women. 12 jurors & 5 alternates.
Trial began on 4/3/23 with opening statements.
Trial will be from 9am to 5pm on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday & Friday each week.
No Trial on Thursdays as Judge has other commitments.
No trial on 5/12/23.
Case & court info from 3/2/20 to 3/20/23 & Jury Selection Day 1-7 (3/20-4/3/23) & Trial Day 1-14 (4/3 & 4/25/23) reference post #3 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...-el-paso-county-27-jan-2020-arrest-63.675710/
4/26/23 Wednesday, Trial Day 15: State witness: Dr. Jackie Grimmett, certified forensic psychologist from Hawai’i. Worked as a forensic psychologist at the Colorado Mental Health Institute at Pueblo in 2020. Dr. Grimmett conducted a competency evaluation on tauch in December 2020.
For more info see posts #46, 51, 54 & 60 [pg 3], 63, 73 & 79 [pg 4], 81, 88 & 98 [pg 5], 107, 112 & 116 [pg 6], 129 & 135 [pg 7] & 141, 147, 151 & 158 [pg 8], 167 (summary), 169, 171 & 177 [pg 9] & 187 & 196 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...o-county-27-jan-2020-arrest-63.675710/page-10
For more info see posts #205 [pg 11], 223 [pg 12], 245 [pg 13] & 267 (summary) here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...o-county-27-jan-2020-arrest-63.675710/page-14
State witness: Dr. Loandra Torres. Civil & forensic mental Health, Board certified forensic psychologist, from CSMHI - Pueblo.
For more info see posts #277 [pg 14], 281, 282, 285, 288 291, 293 & 298 [pg 15]. 305, 309, 311, 313, 314, 317 & 319 [pg 16], 330 & 334 [pg 17], 341 346 355 (summary) & 357 (summary) here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...o-county-27-jan-2020-arrest-63.675710/page-18
For more info see posts #370 (summary), 375 & 378 [pg 19], 395 & 400 [pg 20], 402, 412 & 416 [pg 21], 421, 424 & 434 [pg 22], 449 to 451, 456 & 460 [pg 23], 465, 472 & 476 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...o-county-27-jan-2020-arrest-63.675710/page-24
For more info see posts #535 & 538 ere:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...o-county-27-jan-2020-arrest-63.675710/page-27
Trial continues at 9am on Friday morning, 4/28/23.