CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #64

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  • #381
I just dont get why the prosecution doesnt just say who it is. In the past they've been like "We will have Ms Torres tomorrow" now they are saying "we have one more witness". Its like they are being secretive kind of MOO
 
  • #382
I just dont get why the prosecution doesnt just say who it is. In the past they've been like "We will have Ms Torres tomorrow" now they are saying "we have one more witness". Its like they are being secretive kind of MOO
We didn't get any warning about HH until they announced her as their next witness, either.

MOO
 
  • #383
T is putting on the performance of a lifetime in this trial. With her head down acting like she’s completely disengaged with what’s happening, hiding behind her hair, doing her ‘hand signals’ etc. I doubt it will work. Even cases where IMO the perp has been legally insane at the time of the crime m, a NGRI defense is very rarely successful. Even with a well documented history of mental illness it’s rare to be found NGRI.
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It is pretty much unheard of for an insane person to have the wherewithal to create a huge web of lies, deceit, multiple stories and excuses for evidence. In fact, IMO this is what makes me believe T was completely sane and knew what she was doing in the moment of and the time after killing Gannon. If we believe her story we are meant to assume that her dissociative state lasted an extremely short space of time she was fine the evening before, morning of, even into the afternoon of that day. She knew to report Gannon sick from school, she knew to make sure she left her phone at home that day. Are we to believe she sure quickly snapped out of it as she sent Laina outside to play and text Harley to buy clean up supplies very shortly after. She was ok when she reported Gannon missing and also when creating the first lie of Gannon going to a friends house. She was lucid and well enough to attempt her clean up, move Gannon’s body, lie to police and tell the most ludicrous stories to Al each time she knew he wasn’t buying what she was selling.

Her own words as documented in her txts and phone calls portray a cold calculating deceitful killer IMO, in all those hours of phone calls to Al she was T and not any of her ‘alters’, she knew who she was talking to and knew what she’d done that day, she knew she’d been to petco and knew that blood would be found from Gannon’s ‘cut foot’. If she was genuinely insane at the time and dissociated or suffering a psychotic break, wouldn’t she have claimed from the start she ‘couldn’t remember’ instead of creating all the lies. Wouldn’t she claim that the time of the killing is just a blank space where she has no memory of what happened. Instead we had absolutely stupid and down right insulting lies about sexual assault, kidnapping, Gannon falling off a bike, going to a friends, just to name a few of many many tales.

She definitely IMO has BPD, which can cause blind fits of rage however, once the episode of rage was over T would have known that she’d lost her temper, Gannon was dead. And instead of claiming a fit of rage and mental illness from the start she cleaned up, disposed of Gannon’s body and concocted a trail of stories and lies to try and fit around the evidence she knew they would find. Not the actions of an insane person. Many many people have BPD, it is not DID. I think once T knew Gannon was found, she was caught, she had told so many lies that were unraveling, she had no choice but to feign insanity. But she’s feigned it very poorly, characters out of twilight being one example of yet another lie she’s come up with.

I hope the jury see straight through her, she is evil, calculating and manipulative. But IMO definitely not insane.

All MOO
 
  • #384
I thought the defense made several strategic errors on Friday.

For one — in an effort to make himself look better to the jury, Tolini had Dr. Torres confirm that LS initially planned to represent herself and that’s why LS was able to read the police reports, prior competency evaluation notes, and the rest of the discovery materials prior to her sanity evaluation. In essence, he reminded the jury that LS had the benefit of knowing what Torres and Gray thought about her behavior during the competency eval before she met with them again for the sanity eval.

For two — he had Torres agree it would be difficult to diagnose a person with DID after only meeting with them once or twice. But presumably… he hopes to convince the jury of the exact opposite when it’s his expert doing the diagnosing?
BBM - excellent point!
 
  • #385
We didn't get any warning about HH until they announced her as their next witness, either.

MOO
You are absolutely correct. I think they didnt want LS knowing about her ahead of time. So Im wondering if this is also someone else she doesnt want it to be?

Its pretty telling the defense has 2 witnesses-thats all.
 
  • #386
Ive been missing the testimony-and sleep bc I have a sick kid. I had to take him to the ER yesterday.
I tried watching the trial, but hearing the defense talk gives me a headache. Did I miss anything big?
 
  • #387
She should have went with PPMD. Or at least took her clothes off and ran down the road like a normal insane lunatic. That hows we know she aint crazy. Wouldnt you want to ran away from the not real stuff you just didnt do? According to all the crap she was saying when she said she was crazy, It comes off sounding exactly like a sane person. We know she cant act very well. So I think we are done here . Guilty. Still want to see auntie testify. Just for Fun.
 
  • #388
You are absolutely correct. I think they didnt want LS knowing about her ahead of time. So Im wondering if this is also someone else she doesnt want it to be?

Its pretty telling the defense has 2 witnesses-thats all.
Probably why that witchy finger wagging that day.
 
  • #389
She should have went with PPMD. Or at least took her clothes off and ran down the road like a normal insane lunatic. That hows we know she aint crazy. Wouldnt you want to ran away from the not real stuff you just didnt do? According to all the crap she was saying when she said she was crazy, It comes off sounding exactly like a sane person. We know she cant act very well. So I think we are done here . Guilty. Still want to see auntie testify. Just for Fun.
She thinks everyone is stupid.

Likely she did strip down. Because her clothes were likely covered with blood spatter.

That weird 15 minute absence of hers -- likely throwing away the cardboard box that Quincy didn't take. Cleaning supplies, bloody sheets, bloody clothes. Probably drove around in search of a construction dumpster. Bits of truth in her spaghetti tales.

It's too bad she didn't fall in.

Jmo
 
  • #390
She thinks everyone is stupid.

Likely she did strip down. Because her clothes were likely covered with blood spatter.

That weird 15 minute absence of hers -- likely throwing away the cardboard box that Quincy didn't take. Cleaning supplies, bloody sheets, bloody clothes. Probably drove around in search of a construction dumpster. Bits of truth in her spaghetti tales.

It's too bad she didn't fall in.

Jmo
We really should have started a bits of truth thread when this started . Like pull the lie and put the truth , I think it might be to late because we might be past the truths parts from here on out.

She did fall in though , to bad she drown Gannon it it first.
 
  • #391
JMO the Defense made a strategic error on Friday - they don't have much to work with! They brought up an issue to Dr. Torres that the state hospital is in contempt of a federal court for failure to provide timely competency or sanity evaluations. First that has nothing to do with the quality or veracity or their reports, or any issue in this case. Second I think this tactic would backfire with jurors. Jurors are taxpayers and they see the enormous waste of money, time and resources on LS and her fake mental illness. Defendants like LS are the cause of the hospital's backlog. JMO.
I agree. More important is the state medical experts that were court-ordered to evaluate the defendant -- including Dr. Torres, complied with the requirements of the court. The same cannot be said for the "private" hire defense expert Dr. Lewis. Such a kettle black move by Tolini. MOO
 
  • #392

I believe this was the last known physician treating LS when she was married to AS. It follows she was also the prescriber of Lorazepam. I recall AS being questioned if he attended any of LS's appointments with Dr. Niederhauser. JMO
 
  • #393
As difficult as listening to her wretched voice can be, there are parts that are relevant and shed some light on what she admits to and what she is still denying related to Gannon’s injuries. Watching yesterday’s live stream from law and crime picked up these details:

39:30 LS mentions grabbing Gannon wrapped in his covers on fire (left him down there in flames and ran outside without him multiple times)

1:08 LS claims Edgar is in the basement with her when a person in a cape runs past her (Gannon wrapped in a blanket she “mistook” for a caped intruder). She claims she took the handgun from Edgar, it hits her and then hits the person in the cape in the head.
Now I know why Mr. Allen suggested it could’ve been the butt of a gun that caused the blunt force injuries to Gannon during direct examination of the ME during autopsy testimony.

1:29:30 LS claims stab wounds are burns from the fire and denies stabbing him.

2:53 claims she grabbed the gun from Edgar again, chanting a biblical verse and “time to kill make it fast”-this is when she shot Gannon. Also admits to driving Gannon’s body across the country but claims it was for a proper burial and that others helped her dump him.


Compared to LS's earlier interviews, I found nothing she said during the sanity evaluation credible! None of it.

GS had defensive wounds which follow a victim fighting off his attacker while being fatally stabbed. I think LS last shot GS in the head/jaw as a final act-- and probably still thinking about the initial kidnapper story. The cape story was invented long after her arrest-- to go with the DID defense. MOO
 
  • #394
With her fake pregnacies and terminations Im surprised she didnt say she had PPP. It is more likely that DID.
I know of one respected Psychiatrist that doesnt even believe DID exists. Not a lot of people do.
 
  • #395
Compared to LS's earlier interviews, I found nothing she said during the sanity evaluation credible! None of it.

GS had defensive wounds which follow a victim fighting off his attacker while being fatally stabbed. I think LS last shot GS in the head/jaw as a final act-- and probably still thinking about the initial kidnapper story. The cape story was invented long after her arrest-- to go with the DID defense. MOO
ME stated explicitly that once that shot hit Gannon's spine (at his first vertebrae, IIRC), he was incapable of using his hands for defense, incapable of doing anything at all, except rapidly dying.

So the stabbing had to come before the shooting. And, IMO, so did the blows to his skull (pointless once she shot him).

IMO.
 
  • #396
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition [DSM-V], is the 2013 update to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the taxonomic and diagnostic tool published by the American Psychiatric Association. Wikipedia
 
  • #397
T is putting on the performance of a lifetime in this trial. With her head down acting like she’s completely disengaged with what’s happening, hiding behind her hair, doing her ‘hand signals’ etc. I doubt it will work. Even cases where IMO the perp has been legally insane at the time of the crime m, a NGRI defense is very rarely successful. Even with a well documented history of mental illness it’s rare to be found NGRI.
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It is pretty much unheard of for an insane person to have the wherewithal to create a huge web of lies, deceit, multiple stories and excuses for evidence. In fact, IMO this is what makes me believe T was completely sane and knew what she was doing in the moment of and the time after killing Gannon. If we believe her story we are meant to assume that her dissociative state lasted an extremely short space of time she was fine the evening before, morning of, even into the afternoon of that day. She knew to report Gannon sick from school, she knew to make sure she left her phone at home that day. Are we to believe she sure quickly snapped out of it as she sent Laina outside to play and text Harley to buy clean up supplies very shortly after. She was ok when she reported Gannon missing and also when creating the first lie of Gannon going to a friends house. She was lucid and well enough to attempt her clean up, move Gannon’s body, lie to police and tell the most ludicrous stories to Al each time she knew he wasn’t buying what she was selling.

Her own words as documented in her txts and phone calls portray a cold calculating deceitful killer IMO, in all those hours of phone calls to Al she was T and not any of her ‘alters’, she knew who she was talking to and knew what she’d done that day, she knew she’d been to petco and knew that blood would be found from Gannon’s ‘cut foot’. If she was genuinely insane at the time and dissociated or suffering a psychotic break, wouldn’t she have claimed from the start she ‘couldn’t remember’ instead of creating all the lies. Wouldn’t she claim that the time of the killing is just a blank space where she has no memory of what happened. Instead we had absolutely stupid and down right insulting lies about sexual assault, kidnapping, Gannon falling off a bike, going to a friends, just to name a few of many many tales.

She definitely IMO has BPD, which can cause blind fits of rage however, once the episode of rage was over T would have known that she’d lost her temper, Gannon was dead. And instead of claiming a fit of rage and mental illness from the start she cleaned up, disposed of Gannon’s body and concocted a trail of stories and lies to try and fit around the evidence she knew they would find. Not the actions of an insane person. Many many people have BPD, it is not DID. I think once T knew Gannon was found, she was caught, she had told so many lies that were unraveling, she had no choice but to feign insanity. But she’s feigned it very poorly, characters out of twilight being one example of yet another lie she’s come up with.

I hope the jury see straight through her, she is evil, calculating and manipulative. But IMO definitely not insane.

All MOO
Exactly!

Outlandish lies that are consciously formed for an intended purpose and change/conform to clarify or explain things = NOT MENTAL ILLNESS

Outlandish delusions that appear spontaneously, without purpose, and cannot be consciously controlled = IS MENTAL ILLNESS
 
  • #398
@Seattle1

I can’t seem to get your quote to post, but I agree that her version of events is way off-I do believe she told us the truth that she left Gannon downstairs in the fire - imo hoping he would die in the fire. I also believe her when she says she hit Gannon over the head with the gun. She skips taking blame for the stabbing, but I believe she stabbed him after hitting him over the head, or stabbed him, then grabbed the gun and hit him over the head and then shot him. Her ridiculous story about Edgar and a person in a cape and Laina was all complete bs as almost everything else is that comes from her mouth, but she certainly tells on herself quite a bit at the same time.
 
  • #399
The prosecution will likely request to call rebuttal expert witnesses to directly rebut testimony from defense experts called during the defense's case. This would happen after the defense rests. These witnesses would only be allowed to rebut testimony offered under direct examination—no new evidence could be admitted at that point in the trial.

If the prosecution calls rebuttal witnesses, the defense can ask the judge to allow them to also call rebuttal witnesses to rebut the prosecution's rebuttal witnesses. This is called surrebuttal.

Thinking more about DID, Dr. Dorothy Lewis, and the controversy surrounding each-- I don't think the prosecution will want to leave Dr. Lewis's testimony unchallenged. Is this what the prosecution is saving Dr. Gray for? Will we hear from him before he's called to rebut Lewis?

I can't help but think that two days of Dr. Torres's testimony was exhausting for the jurors. While I found some parts critical, I also thought it was slow, and her response to cross by the defense missing the punch of confidence. Perhaps my preference for the confident answers by Dr. Grimmett clouded my judgment. JMO
 
  • #400
@Seattle1

I can’t seem to get your quote to post, but I agree that her version of events is way off-I do believe she told us the truth that she left Gannon downstairs in the fire - imo hoping he would die in the fire. I also believe her when she says she hit Gannon over the head with the gun. She skips taking blame for the stabbing, but I believe she stabbed him after hitting him over the head, or stabbed him, then grabbed the gun and hit him over the head and then shot him. Her ridiculous story about Edgar and a person in a cape and Laina was all complete bs as almost everything else is that comes from her mouth, but she certainly tells on herself quite a bit at the same time.

Yes, I absolutely believe the earlier version where LS said she pulled a blanket from Gannon and he came with it onto the floor and on top of the burning carpet! I believe it is true she embellished this story when she put out the video and messages. LS did not deserve a family and will do just fine existing in her own mental world where she's smarter and better than others. MOO
 
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