CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #64

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@Seattle1

I can’t seem to get your quote to post, but I agree that her version of events is way off-I do believe she told us the truth that she left Gannon downstairs in the fire - imo hoping he would die in the fire. I also believe her when she says she hit Gannon over the head with the gun. She skips taking blame for the stabbing, but I believe she stabbed him after hitting him over the head, or stabbed him, then grabbed the gun and hit him over the head and then shot him. Her ridiculous story about Edgar and a person in a cape and Laina was all complete bs as almost everything else is that comes from her mouth, but she certainly tells on herself quite a bit at the same time.

GANNON in a cape - what a joke - and then when/after she shoots 'the mystery person', she just runs into the house - doesn't call the police to trap the mystery victim or anything.

it's worse than me spraying and praying with pine oil the odd cockroach in the bathroom, then closing the door and hoping it crawls away to die, lol... 'Laina and Harley were looking at me like they'd seen a ghost', I should imagine so... they clearly would have had NO IDEA what to make of a description like 'Maria's' - a 6 year old can tell its BS.

However, at least NOW we know beyond a shadow of a doubt, just what exactly took months to evaluate in terms of her mental status… I also suspect that this was her idea of a “ace in the hole' just what exactly took months to evaluate in terms of her mental status…

I also suspect that this was her idea of an 'ace in the hole'. Some 'ace' - I feel sorry the taxpayers of Colorado had to go through this... they can blame any increases this year on her.
 
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You are absolutely correct. I think they didnt want LS knowing about her ahead of time. So Im wondering if this is also someone else she doesnt want it to be?

Its pretty telling the defense has 2 witnesses-thats all.
Could LS’s mother, aunt, or sister be a witness?
 
  • #403
You are absolutely correct. I think they didnt want LS knowing about her ahead of time. So Im wondering if this is also someone else she doesnt want it to be?

Its pretty telling the defense has 2 witnesses-thats all.
She doesnt want anything or anyone to come in ,she probably just wants it to be the Judge and her running off to North Carolina ! With no recordings and they can be alone .
 
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4/26/23

Dr. Grimmett said she didn’t see any signs that Letecia Stauch was changing personalities. She said she considered dissociative identity disorder as a diagnosis. She also said she has never reviewed someone with dissociative identity disorder.

Dr. Grimmett said dissociative identity disorder affects up to 1% of people. She said it’s a very destructive behavioral disorder and can be very frightening because people don’t know what’s happening to them.

She added dissociative identity disorder can be strange, and people can’t hold down jobs or hold down relationships. She said when talking to Stauch, Stauch’s history didn’t support that.
 
  • #406
No. Just no. Defense is trying to suggest that these professionals threw the case because there aren't state beds available.

What an insult.
I'm still behind, but I'm gaining ground!
I am at this point.
The defense was trying to make it sound like there was a resource issue at the hospital, which may have impacted the decision for sanity.
Defense is asking whether Torres has ever diagnosed or treated anyone with DID. Then he says about sending articles back and forth and how the articles that Torres (and Grey) sent back to him were a small book.
I cannot understand why this defence attorney thinks he can 'skim' a small book and know everything about DID.
The witness admits she has never treated or diagnosed DID, but she is still a forensic psychologist, a scientist, as psychology is a science. He is an attorney who studied law, not a scientist!
That is all.
I promise I will be up to date tomorrow, and you won't get my retro posts :)
 
  • #407
She added dissociative identity disorder can be strange, and people can’t hold down jobs or hold down relationships. She said when talking to Stauch, Stauch’s history didn’t support that.
^^rsbm

Relative to LS's spotty work history, I recall tracking this early in the case and LS really didn't start job hopping (or filing civil rights claims against the district) until joining AS.

IMO, once she was with AS, LS felt free to go 'full-on narc' and employ her sense of entitlement when she no longer worried about paying the rent for herself and HH. JMO
 
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Dr. Torres confirms there's a high correlation of severe, often prolonged, childhood trauma, but not everybody who suffers from it develops disorders or dissociative disorder. Dr. Torres says different personality styles respond different, some may have an environment that helps them deal with trauma. Attachment has to be considered where trusting develops and lends to feeling secure. Where there's a detached start often attachment disorders form. Detachment disorders and styles would lead perhaps to Borderline or other personality disorders.

After Recess Break Now.
View attachment 417916
Touchy feely moment
from her attorney.
I'm still a little behind, so I apologize if this has already been mentioned.
On top of what you mentioned, attachment happens within the first few years. We are talking 0 to 3, 4 at a push.
Not 17.
 
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Thanks to everyone here for links and input.

I am close to being caught up. All but todays testimony is in the case Archive now.

JUSTICE for Gannon, here:

No, I do not receive any income for clicks, in fact I pay for the site. I need visuals and that's why I started doing Case Archives, plus we can go back in time and find all about a case through me saving the details.
Awesome Job!!!
Thanks for all your hard work on all of these cases.

Your Website is filled with an abundance of information.

I refer to it daily :)
 
  • #410
I believe that Dr Torres had testified earlier that she had never come across a real case of DID because of its rareness. Which may lead a cynical person to wonder how on earth Dr Lewis has tripped over so many of them. Almost as though they were just waiting for her to diagnose them with it.

Also earlier today someone (really sorry, I can't recall who) linked to a website with a few facts and statisitics about DID. One of the areas on there that I read was about the rates of criminality amongst genuine sufferers. It turns out that very few commit crimes of any sort, and only a minute number have committed violent crime.
RBBM for focus
I believe it was Dr. Mohrs on Wednesday that said it was 0-1% rare.
Maybe Dr. Lewis has diagnosed 99% of that 'rare'
 
  • #411
But it's not just Dr. Lewis. The majority of cases of DID are said to be diagnosed by a handful of experts. That may be suspicious. OR it may be run of the mill therapists send questionable cases to experts because it is so rare. Mental health professionals are supposed to practice only within their competence areas. Mostly it's self-policed. And someone who has never seen a case of X may not want to try to assign a final diagnosis of X.
JMO
I wonder what the other DID specialist's thoughts are on Dr. Lewis?
 
  • #412
No way anyone wants to have that baby girl on the stand.
I think it would really turn off the jury and feel exploitive .
She doesn’t need to relive that trauma.
JMO
100% agree. As much as I want to hear Laina's interview, I do not want her anywhere near LS! MOO
 
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I would love to see Dan May take the stand on Monday and pull everything together for us. He definitely was part of the investigation early on. I remember he showed up at the house himself to look at the crime scene.

Who has the witness list? Any chance Dan May's name is on there as a possible witness??
 
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I am watching the Video played where she admits to shooting Gannon again . I keep watching parts over because it so hard to make out what she is saying .
However she is really trying to pull a story in about this Flordia trip on of AMC'S Preacher season 3.
Preacher season premiere: What did God say to Tulip?

I caught it the other day when she was saying the crap ,but I wanted a re check to make sure thats what she was trying to pretend to . I hope the amazon purchase list is somewhere because it took forever for a season to be free and season two ended with a death that was unacceptable. Twilight and preacher.
 
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RBBM for focus
I believe it was Dr. Mohrs on Wednesday that said it was 0-1% rare.
Maybe Dr. Lewis has diagnosed 99% of that 'rare'
Wikipedia (I know, it's only wikipedia) mentions that these percentages/stats have come from a small study in Noth America. If that's the case it's easy to see that much of the psychiatrist/psychology profession around the world may not agree with these figures. Wiki again makes mention of the 'sceptical' psychs having complained that most of the diagnoses have originated from the Dr Lewis types of psychologists. i,e a relative minority of psychologists diagnose it.

This trial is in the US, and worse than that; it's in Colorado where they have this unusual position regarding burden of proof re insanity. And because it's in the US they're stuck with US psychologists. It is what it is' but as someone from the UK the whole thing is very frustrating. This nonsense wouldn't fly for one minute in our courts, and plenty of our psychologists would be happy to say why they don't even believe that DID is a real thing; still less that it could lead someone to undertake three or more separate and different ways to harm/murder someone AND to know they needed to start cleaning up.
 
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Wikipedia (I know, it's only wikipedia) mentions that these percentages/stats have come from a small study in Noth America. If that's the case it's easy to see that much of the psychiatrist/psychology profession around the world may not agree with these figures. Wiki again makes mention of the 'sceptical' psychs having complained that most of the diagnoses have originated from the Dr Lewis types of psychologists. i,e a relative minority of psychologists diagnose it.

This trial is in the US, and worse than that; it's in Colorado where they have this unusual position regarding burden of proof re insanity. And because it's in the US they're stuck with US psychologists. It is what it is' but as someone from the UK the whole thing is very frustrating. This nonsense wouldn't fly for one minute in our courts, and plenty of our psychologists would be happy to say why they don't even believe that DID is a real thing; still less that it could lead someone to undertake three or more separate and different ways to harm/murder someone AND to know they needed to start cleaning up.
Seriously way out there question coming below.
In America we have only seen trauma. We are a young country ,according to American history. As a population ,we landed ,starved,slaughtered , enslaved,and purposely made sick .
Where are they really getting their base lines? It seriously has me wondering if the whole idea behind PTSD is true ,then we have based our guidelines on a false premise of what is a normal person . I am not sure ,have no answers .
 
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I would love to see Dan May take the stand on Monday and pull everything together for us. He definitely was part of the investigation early on. I remember he showed up at the house himself to look at the crime scene.

Who has the witness list? Any chance Dan May's name is on there as a possible witness??
I had so much deep admiration for Dan May during the Kelsey Berreth case. That man and his team poured their heart and soul into a conviction, but I doubt he'll be appearing here.

JMO
 
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T is putting on the performance of a lifetime in this trial. With her head down acting like she’s completely disengaged with what’s happening, hiding behind her hair, doing her ‘hand signals’ etc. I doubt it will work. Even cases where IMO the perp has been legally insane at the time of the crime m, a NGRI defense is very rarely successful. Even with a well documented history of mental illness it’s rare to be found NGRI.
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It is pretty much unheard of for an insane person to have the wherewithal to create a huge web of lies, deceit, multiple stories and excuses for evidence. In fact, IMO this is what makes me believe T was completely sane and knew what she was doing in the moment of and the time after killing Gannon. If we believe her story we are meant to assume that her dissociative state lasted an extremely short space of time she was fine the evening before, morning of, even into the afternoon of that day. She knew to report Gannon sick from school, she knew to make sure she left her phone at home that day. Are we to believe she sure quickly snapped out of it as she sent Laina outside to play and text Harley to buy clean up supplies very shortly after. She was ok when she reported Gannon missing and also when creating the first lie of Gannon going to a friends house. She was lucid and well enough to attempt her clean up, move Gannon’s body, lie to police and tell the most ludicrous stories to Al each time she knew he wasn’t buying what she was selling.

Her own words as documented in her txts and phone calls portray a cold calculating deceitful killer IMO, in all those hours of phone calls to Al she was T and not any of her ‘alters’, she knew who she was talking to and knew what she’d done that day, she knew she’d been to petco and knew that blood would be found from Gannon’s ‘cut foot’. If she was genuinely insane at the time and dissociated or suffering a psychotic break, wouldn’t she have claimed from the start she ‘couldn’t remember’ instead of creating all the lies. Wouldn’t she claim that the time of the killing is just a blank space where she has no memory of what happened. Instead we had absolutely stupid and down right insulting lies about sexual assault, kidnapping, Gannon falling off a bike, going to a friends, just to name a few of many many tales.

She definitely IMO has BPD, which can cause blind fits of rage however, once the episode of rage was over T would have known that she’d lost her temper, Gannon was dead. And instead of claiming a fit of rage and mental illness from the start she cleaned up, disposed of Gannon’s body and concocted a trail of stories and lies to try and fit around the evidence she knew they would find. Not the actions of an insane person. Many many people have BPD, it is not DID. I think once T knew Gannon was found, she was caught, she had told so many lies that were unraveling, she had no choice but to feign insanity. But she’s feigned it very poorly, characters out of twilight being one example of yet another lie she’s come up with.

I hope the jury see straight through her, she is evil, calculating and manipulative. But IMO definitely not insane.

All MOO
Excellent summation.
I hope to see every bit of this said to the jury in prosecution’s closing statement.
 
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Ive been following the trial but Im unclear what she did with his body before she threw it over the bridge.

I know she said she drove it SC to give him a proper burial, but shes a liar so we can rule that out.

I like *sarcastic* how she disputes the evidence and says the stab marks were burns. She is insulting the medical examiner and anyone else that identified his wounds. Buts its ok, because if she said it must be true because shes so honest. The skull fracture must have come from the fire too.

Also MOO she is completely borderline. I think Gannon had something on her, or she thought she will lose AS because of him. She searched how she wanted a new husband, but borderlines dont like to be dumped.
 
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