CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #64

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  • #761
People don't just mosey into county jails to visit inmates do they?
How did Dr. Lewis get into the jail yesterday to meet with LS?
Did her lawyers bring her in?
This was not court approved AFAIK. Really don't understand how this was permitted.
So , really they did . Or used to Pre pandemic. Not Doctors though ,last week I read where 3 inmates died cuz doctors could not just walk in an see them. So..Yea if a guy could just call his own doctor into jail ,well ,the state would be so relieved of a ton of problems . ..SO would the federal government .
 
  • #762
Because .T aint crazy and the state has already proven it . Let Dr lewis in . We have watched this woman hide a body and relocate right under the fbi 's nose. Dr lewis cannot help prove this is the only person in the world with DID that functions cunning enough to out fox the fbi? Its over unless this jury is daft .
He cant help her ,but they want her to pay him. IMO.. She is getting a game run on her right now by her own defence. She should be trying to hold on to money for appeals and cheetoe's .

Okay. I guess I'm a bit worried after reviewing the literature on successful NGRI defenses (albeit, not in CO). DID has been a valid insanity plea many times (not as often as schizophrenia, of course; some states allow ASPD - I think CO may not be one of them). But people have gotten off due to Borderline or DID diagnoses (the two things overlap a little). Biting my nails here.

It only takes one juror to believe that Letecia Stauch is insane. To me, the State has shown a highly disorganized crazy person who swings wildly between rational, self-serving acts and actions/words that are completely irrational. CO does not require all NGRI to hinge upon knowledge of right vs. wrong.

I do hope the Judge's jury instructions are spare, but I'm concerned he will be legally obligated to mention the Irresistible Impulse Test as well as the M'Naghten rule to the Jury.

What's really bizarre is that successful DID NGRI defenses seem to focus on the fact that whichever personality committed the crime, the alter or alters (often there's only just one alter) have amnesia for the crime.

I sure do hope that this isn't a lead up to T. taking the stand and pretending her "main" personality has no memory of events surrounding Gannon's murder. In this case, it seems clear that the person texting and talking to AS and later talking to investigators, is LS's "main" personality. But it could be claimed otherwise, by the defendant and her expert. So far, nothing has convinced the jury that there are alters IMO - but Dr Lewis is up next. We shall see.

IMO.
 
  • #763
I agree. If this is the last witness, it's not that powerful in a NGRI case
Respectfully, while he isn't testifying to her sanity, he is laying out T's actions around the time and immediately after she murdered him. No evidence of multiple personalities, gaps in time, spiraling or decompressing.

Very consistently T.

Jmo
 
  • #764
I think her credibility and professionalism were being questioned before today but after yesterday’s little jailhouse meet up I’m sure her integrity is going to take a battering.

As an 85 year old, I wonder how Dr. Lewis’ health is at this time. Her inability to submit her report in time, and putting her reputation on the line as a witness, has me wondering out loud.

Something just seems so innapropriate about everything surrounding this witness.

Just wondering out loud.

MOO

I think her credibility and professionalism were being questioned before today but after yesterday’s little jailhouse meet up I’m sure her integrity is going to take a battering.

As an 85 year old, I wonder how Dr. Lewis’ health is at this time. Her inability to submit her report in time, and putting her reputation on the line as a witness, has me wondering out loud.

Something just seems so innapropriate about everything surrounding this witness.

Just wondering out loud.

MOO
I was thinking about Dr. Lewis' age and health, too, but from the standpoint that DID is her legacy. She's running out of time to really drive home her work. LS might be one of Dr L's last chances to prove her theories.
 
  • #765
Yes thank you!

I've just rewinded to the beginning and he was reminded that he's still under oath from his earlier testimony.

Again, he isn't saying anything of his own opinion in his testimonies, he is explaining exhibits or actual facts and evidence put together.

Dr Lewis and her shenanigans last night are incomparable to this.
Although I can't recall at which point it was mentioned, it was definitely stated what it is about his position that means he was able to sit in court throughout the case. A precise term was used, but I think it is basically that he is with the DA's office and his role means knowing about all the evidence which has been obtained, and the testimony of all the prosecution witnesses.
 
  • #766
Thank you I forgot but yes the whole scenario seemed like someone who was super experienced with things. Bath salts were away for meth heads to tweak without testing positive. If you don’t have meth heads around you one may think it was for another getting high experience but I can tell you it was not.
I don't think she seemed very experienced or knowledgeable at all because she seemed to think the drug called "bath salts" were the same bath salts you can buy in the hygiene section of any retail shop. They are two totally different compounds - the drug was just called that to make it seem more innocuous. Kind of the same way you can buy the "glass drinking straws" that are actually just meth pipes.
 
  • #767
Respectfully, while he isn't testifying to her sanity, he is laying out T's actions around the time and immediately after she murdered him. No evidence of multiple personalities, gaps in time, spiraling or decompressing.

Very consistently T.

Jmo
What you say is very true, and probably why they chose him to close. I just know the jury has to be pretty bored at this point, and weary.

The prosecution's case has been pretty methodical from the beginning, imo, so it's been low theatrics, which I would expect in this case. I guess that's why I was hoping for them to finish with facts, but also end with an emotional, gutwrentching theatrical punch.
 
  • #768
Respectfully, while he isn't testifying to her sanity, he is laying out T's actions around the time and immediately after she murdered him. No evidence of multiple personalities, gaps in time, spiraling or decompressing.

Very consistently T.

Jmo
Right ,as a person who has had to rent trucks and relocate across country and all the stress and issues that have to be dealt with to it get done.(without a loaded suitcase) .and a person who has also not been able to make it to her own job cuz she just couldn't bring herself to do it that day ..T was working her best under this stress..and in her mind she knew she get caught and wouldnt last..but in her mind that fat lady has not sung. I think . Sane ,but not ever giving up on hope.
 
  • #769
If nothing else, this trial has taught me the meanings of:
Swisher sweets
Bath salts
Tiguan
 
  • #770
What you say is very true, and probably why they chose him to close. I just know the jury has to be pretty bored at this point, and weary.

The prosecution's case has been pretty methodical from the beginning, imo, so it's been low theatrics, which I would expect in this case. I guess that's why I was hoping for them to finish with facts, but also end with an emotional, gutwrentching theatrical punch.
Patience. All that will come in the prosecution's closing argument.
 
  • #771
I don't think she seemed very experienced or knowledgeable at all because she seemed to think the drug called "bath salts" were the same bath salts you can buy in the hygiene section of any retail shop. They are two totally different compounds - the drug was just called that to make it seem more innocuous. Kind of the same way you can buy the "glass drinking straws" that are actually just meth pipes.
She pretended not to know about bath salts. She’s the one that sent the text pretending to be Gannon asking his Dad if they had any and the nonsense about a friend with an older brother.

She was teaching at French Elementary in 2019 and Clark testified today that the school had drug awareness programs that came to the classrooms.

If she didn’t learn about it there, she learned it wherever she got her knowledge of drug cartels and money laundering.
JMO

She wanted Al and Landen to think G was missing because he had gotten mixed up with some bad influences.
 
  • #772
Thank you I forgot but yes the whole scenario seemed like someone who was super experienced with things. Bath salts were away for meth heads to tweak without testing positive. If you don’t have meth heads around you one may think it was for another getting high experience but I can tell you it was not.
So ,the east coast states ,in 2012-14 ( ish ?)..had a few meth heads act up and eat a few faces off. I think the reporters were avid Walking dead fans ,anywho by 2019 we had already went past bath salts and straight unto meth and heroin ,by 2019 T's age is showing and Bath salts were no longer labeled under that moniker and was sold (east coast illegal market) as MDMA or estacy ..But it was meth.
 
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  • #773
I can't get past what she did to him Sunday night with the fire.

Both AS and HH testified Gannon NEVER lit candles, so that leads me to believe that entire story was a cover up for something she did to him. She invented all the other crap too, such as her and Laina running outside, etc., then hid the section of carpet soaked with blood & replaced it with another section so... all of that was a lie. She burnt the rug on purpose to validate the BS candle story.

Knowing all that happened Sunday night, it had to have occurred to her that there was NO WAY Gannon wouldn't tell Albert what really happened.

I believe she began plotting that very night, how she was going to get rid of him.
I think she hit him, blood got on the rug, she cut it out, then she filmed him in that cell video saying the candle thing was his fault. She forced him to play-act, but Gannon was going to tell Al or LH what really happened. Her abuse would be discovered, Al would leave her, she might face charges. The jig was up, so she killed the witness / abuse victim - Gannon.
 
  • #774
So ,the east coast states ,in 2012-14 ( ish ?)..had a few meth heads act up and eat a few faces off. I think the reporters were avid Walking dead fans ,anywho by 2019 we had already went past bath salts and straight unto meth and heroin ,by 2019 T's age is showing and Bath salts were no longer label under that moniker and was sold (east coast illegal market) as MDMA or estacy ..But it was meth.
2012 Colorado


[…]
The Rocky Mountain Poison and Drug Center said it received 10 reports this year of people using bath salts or other combinations of the compounds. Last year, 44 cases were reported.

The Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment said it can’t determine yet if the synthetics have been linked to any other deaths in the state because such cases are so new.

Hollingshead and Jim Schrant, an agent with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, believe Richards’ death is the first involving bath salts in western Colorado.

“It’s an emerging drug of concern,” Schrant said.

The DEA issued an emergency ban in October on three ingredients often found in bath salts, and Congress is debating whether to impose a permanent ban.
[…]

 
  • #775
No, you want it fresh in the minds of the jury - summed up in a nice tidy package. A more condensed version would make a great opening argument to get everyone's attention, though!
I think Jose Beaz 's opening was the thing that won that whole case . I do agree with you. Glad they didn't think of it !
 
  • #776
Watching this trial with the ten gazillion versions of eggybreadwardo, Quincey, cash belly bucket, the Volturi and Maria the Spanish russian assassin has made me think I'm on bath salts tbh
 
  • #777
If nothing else, this trial has taught me the meanings of:
Swisher sweets
Bath salts
Tiguan
Hubby smokes Swisher Sweets. He cringed when I told him about Leticia and Swisher Sweets.
 
  • #778
Watching this trial with the ten gazillion versions of eggybreadwardo, Quincey, cash belly bucket, the Volturi and Maria the Spanish russian assassin has made me think I'm on bath salts tbh
So my brain broke when she implied she was taking Gannon to Flordia to be bought back to life by ,someones grandma ..So I really need to hunt for all the proper nouns she has used everywhere.. And if anyone can create an app that pulls all the pronouns from devices ....I guess hit me up..maybe.
 
  • #779
She pretended not to know about bath salts. She’s the one that sent the text pretending to be Gannon asking his Dad if they had any and the nonsense about a friend with an older brother.

She was teaching at French Elementary in 2019 and Clark testified today that the school had drug awareness programs that came to the classrooms.

If she didn’t learn about it there, she learned it wherever she got her knowledge of drug cartels and money laundering.
JMO

She wanted Al and Landen to think G was missing because he had gotten mixed up with some bad influences.
Yes she learned it from the news. I do remember there being a couple of highly reported cases of "bath salt" assaults. One I remember had one high dude literally eating half a man's face off, but that was back in 2012. You're absolutely right that she wanted the parents to think that Gannon was mixed up with the wrong type of people.
 
  • #780
Although I can't recall at which point it was mentioned, it was definitely stated what it is about his position that means he was able to sit in court throughout the case. A precise term was used, but I think it is basically that he is with the DA's office and his role means knowing about all the evidence which has been obtained, and the testimony of all the prosecution witnesses.
There was a specific term used, and I just spent far too long trying find what it was. But both Clark and Agent Cohen (I believe), who also sits behind prosecution, were given that designation the first time they testified.
 
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