CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #68

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Friday began in court with Judge Gregory Werner going over jury instructions. He explained that if Stauch is found not guilty by reason of insanity, she will be remanded to the Department of Human Services until she no longer requires hospitalization or suffers from a mental disease or defect. Jury instructions also stated that if Stauch is found not guilty by reason of insanity, she will not be tried on these charges again.

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The one thing I had hoped that the prosecution would have hit more on in this trial was the issue of the burns, which I think gave her the impetus to kill him.

If she had burned him or, even, if he had burned himself, her marriage was over, not by her own decision to flounce away from AS but because he would have left her. He cared deeply about honesty and safety. When he came home, he would have heard the truth about her behavior and he would not have stood for hurting the kids (even HH) or her lies/deceit. Depending on the circumstances, AS might have called the police and she would lose her teaching certification. She did not want ever to lose control.

After she realized how hurt Gannon was, I think she believed the only way to escape from being held accountable was to have him disappear.

She was tired of caring for the kids and AS. She thought she was going to have a life where she was taken care of. All of her searches for her life was fantasy/glamour and/or being taken care of. She got the EdD because it was prestige and signified something that she felt would garner her respect and a cushy job. She loved the cruise because it signified that importance of life-- better than what she had before AS. She loved the trips that had previously taken for the same reason. Gannon's needs were the exact opposite of what she envisioned. She never felt appreciated for time, effort and sacrifice. She became an injustice collector and hurt him.
I too wonder why the burns and other injuries weren't mentioned more (Letecia was brutal to Gannon). Dr. Susan Ignacio (ME/FL) indicated signs of decomposition made it hard to identify some of the injuries so that may be the reason as to why.

HH's testified on April 17:

"Harley testified saying the text messages weren’t clear, and they were confusing to her. She also testified saying Gannon didn’t usually sit by himself downstairs and light candles."

I believe that Letecia caused Gannon's burns and made up the stories to cover-up her crimes ... got in too deep and knew (as you said) her marriage would be over. I think she played games w/AS over the years wanting the attention, and this time there was no turning back.

MOO
 
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Here from the very night that he went missing. Red flags early on. All I can do is pray for this jury. And pray for Gannon, his mom and dad, sister, brother and all of his family. I did not think the jury would decide in a few hours yesterday. So many details. So many videos. So many audios. So much chaos to digest.
In my heart - like so many others - we want justice. For this gorgeous child !!!
If you believe in the divine intervention of his remains found - then do nothing but pray for his justice. Prayer has power. Even if you have doubts about something existing higher. No worries. Still send out a prayer.
 
  • #485
It was Alesha MacPhail for me, the case that brought me to WS. I was so worried that one of the jurors might believe his ridiculous story as to how his DNA got on her body. Thankfully they saw exactly what he is!.



It feels like she should be here with us in the thread for the guilty verdict :(
We all know that’s true.
 
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I must say that I commend the jurors for taking their time to deliberate over the evidence. There is a lot of evidence that was presented during trial, not an easy task. I am sure some information is overwhelming and an overload at time.
If I were a juror on this jury I would not be able to make a decision in less than 4 hours on a Friday. I would not have wanted to make a decision in such a short amount of time when someone’s life is at stake. I believe that the jurors are taking their responsibility seriously by reviewing the evidence further. Justice for Gannon (it’s coming!)


MOO
 
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Insanity. Quite nebulous.

If the Prosecution is 99% of the way there that she's sane, but the jury votes otherwise, it's scary to think that, on Day 1, at the psych hospital, she's already sane. Never wasn't.

However, since insanity is nebulous, hopefully that would work against her, because she's always going to be borderline. And they can keep her there forever.

Not a chance I'm comfortable with however.

She needs to be caged where she can't weasel or fake her way out of. For life.

Jmo
 
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Will she be able to get out when shes "stable"?

In CO, a defendant that prevails using NGRI defense is sent to a mental facility and can be released after one day or 1,000+ if they regain health and/or are restored safe and competent. In other words, there's no "release" schedule.
 
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She will be caged, I believe the jury knows that she will kill again if freed. imo
 
  • #490
She will be caged, I believe the jury knows that she will kill again if freed. imo
They hate her as much as we do, if not more. She’s done, it’s just when. Monday will be a great day.
 
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I was going to tag you into my post, but I couldnt edit and didnt want to dp.

So basically they would treat her personality disorder symptoms? I agree she has mutiple of them.

I did not know she could get out when deemed "sane". Thats scary to me. Knowing the injuries she gave Gannon, and the monster can incident, she is dangerous. She needs to be locked up, but also away from people.
Quite often, once someone is in a mental institution they do not leave. Especially the ones that have committed crimes like murder. It's not exactly a place to become healthy.

Sometimes they will release an older patient who is not expected to live much longer and allow them some normalcy at the end of their life. There's an ulterior motive for this - based on conversations I've had regarding the subject with those who most likely would know. I believe it has something to do with final costs - burial etc. If they go to state or county housing for a short while the institution is free from having to be responsible for any of that. Not 100% sure about that, so MOO.

But I think a mental hospital would be an awful place to live and I feel confident that LS would not be getting out for at least most of the rest of her life.

Of course I'd still rather have her rotting away in prison, but if she ends up NGRI... well I think of it this way: You wanted everyone to think you were insane, LS, so here you go - enjoy the life you picked for yourself - being treated as if you are insane along with a bunch of fellow insane inmates. Sounds like a crazy awful time.

What bothers me the most is I feel that justice for Gannon will not have been served entirely and that makes it hard for his family.
 
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Unlike a typical criminal trial, I can see how finding for the prosecution that the defendant was sane during the murder pursuant to Colorado law, requiring more than three hours to "map it out" to honor their commitment to evaluate the medical evidence before voting on LS's fate. I'm confident of a conviction on Monday morning.

During juror selection, there were numerous candidates who proclaimed they could not be fair and evaluate the evidence against the defendant -- many citing the victim being a child made it impossible for them.

Recalling at least two candidates (that were selected as jurors) who provided they did not favor NGRI as a defense but when asked if they were willing to hear the medical evidence, and if they could be fair and impartial, responded yes.
 
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[…]

Friday began in court with Judge Gregory Werner going over jury instructions. He explained that if Stauch is found not guilty by reason of insanity, she will be remanded to the Department of Human Services until she no longer requires hospitalization or suffers from a mental disease or defect. Jury instructions also stated that if Stauch is found not guilty by reason of insanity, she will not be tried on these charges again.

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And she will be set free when they deem her well. Ugh.
 
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They hate her as much as we do, if not more. She’s done, it’s just when. Monday will be a great day.
I always love your optimism. I wish I could feel that. Well, a guilty verdict will be a happy surprise for me!
 
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Yes, I think you're spot on.

Except I think the fire was intentional. Abd secondary.

I think what started the chain of evil is the injury to Gannon's face. Split lip, possibly a broken nose. To keep him quiet, she may have given him the narcotics. Wrapped him up tight and tried to light him on fire. He woke up out of a drugged sleep to that IMO.... And she manipulated him into confessing "it" was his fault somehow.... she was not concerned with poor G or his injuries, only how she was going to explain it to AS and how she night twist it to her advantage. One constant with T -- always spinning.

And because Gannon was a fighter, by the tine of that horrid video, IMO he had already survived a punch/backhand to the face, oxy, fire and about 5 years of T. More suffering than anyone should endure.

And it only got worse from there.

Jmo
I agree. Remember her reference to his 'busted lip' in one of her stories and all the nosebleeds? I think LS was seething over AS about to leave her and yet she was still watching his kids. Then Gannon had a stomach accident, LS was probably nasty to him, Gannon said he wanted his real mom and got a backhander/punch.

In one story she told AS that she 'jumped all over Gannon' to put out the fire. I wonder if she lit a candle and made sure to tell him to be careful and then drugged him to sleep. When he fell asleep she tipped the candle on him so she could leap on top of him and hit him again in the face to create a heroic reason for the visible injuries. He does say he is bleeding. Maybe he didn't see a mirror the first time and she hopes to gaslight him into believing her or she just hopes to manipulates him by getting him back on her side....you knocked over the candle, omg this is a disaster, pinky swear not on purpose, ok I am not mad, we will sell things, I won't tell AS what you said earlier either so therefore the original punishment won't come up ...something like that.
 
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I think she has a group of personality disorders, constituting something like "psychopathy" (not a DSM diagnosis - but definitely a word to describe T.) I was glad the State brought in Antisocial PD (I think they said their first expert said she scored high on that scale) because CO specifically excludes a longterm condition of moral depravity or lawbreaking NOT to be a sign of insanity.
RSBMFF

The group you’re referring to is the “Cluster B” personality disorders group.
Sometimes people with PDs can/do have other PDs and that includes other clusters as well (Cluster A, B & C).

And I agree with you.
 
  • #497
Quite often, once someone is in a mental institution they do not leave. Especially the ones that have committed crimes like murder. It's not exactly a place to become healthy.

Sometimes they will release an older patient who is not expected to live much longer and allow them some normalcy at the end of their life. There's an ulterior motive for this - based on conversations I've had regarding the subject with those who most likely would know. I believe it has something to do with final costs - burial etc. If they go to state or county housing for a short while the institution is free from having to be responsible for any of that. Not 100% sure about that, so MOO.

But I think a mental hospital would be an awful place to live and I feel confident that LS would not be getting out for at least most of the rest of her life.

Of course I'd still rather have her rotting away in prison, but if she ends up NGRI... well I think of it this way: You wanted everyone to think you were insane, LS, so here you go - enjoy the life you picked for yourself - being treated as if you are insane along with a bunch of fellow insane inmates. Sounds like a crazy awful time.

What bothers me the most is I feel that justice for Gannon will not have been served entirely and that makes it hard for his family.

I agree that the truly mentally ill generally never leave the mental institution.

The first Colorado NGRI defense case I ever followed was James Holmes (Aurora Theater shooter), and I've long said that if Holmes did not meet criminal insanity, little chance for other defendants.

Not only was Holmes a schizophrenic with a long history of mental treatment right up to the murders, but at his arraignment, the defense requested the Court delay Holmes entering a plea, granted by the Court, and Holmes was soon after sent to CMHP for treatment, and entered a plea about 90 days later.

Holmes's trial was also delayed several times because he was in treatment. Once competent to stand trial, the jurors found the state proved him sane, the Court sentenced him to multiple life sentences in the DOC.

To be clear, nobody doubted that Holmes wasn't crazy (mentally ill), but argued he was not criminally insane pursuant to the law.

I'm not questioning the jurors' verdict --Holmes told doctors how and why his actions were wrong, and my point is that there are truly mentally ill defendants-- bordering insanity, that commit crimes-- and are nothing like LS and her faked disorders.

In this case, Holmes only spent about a month in prison (Department of Corrections) before being sent to the mental ward (CMHP) for treatment where he's remained ever since -- about 8 years now (2015).

 
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I know this is the beginning thread pic, but it's probably one of my favorite photos of Gannon. That sweet little crooked smile and dapper haircut.

He has his mother's eyes. <3
 
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