CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #68

[Angiebla]

Ok so they're asking for a list of exhibits, do you think that means that they haven't even began to look at the exhibits yet? There's like 700 isn't there?

This could take a long time :/

I feel sick here

Thought the same thing. We may not get a verdict today.

The only thing that makes me feel *a little* better is her anxiety must be through the roof, hopefully shes not medicated.

 

[arielilane]

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[Emerald1328]

Because her testimony was rambling and incoherent and they were hoping to make sense of it with what she (or someone close to her) put on paper? Not permitted, though.

MOO

Exactly what I’m thinking. Didn’t the defense try to appeal to the jury in his closing about how old she was in regard to her demeanor on the stand - something like that? Maybe their view of her testimony was as bad as ours was and wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt that when she put her findings to paper she was much more coherent and actually appeared to know what she was talking about.

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm here. A friend called just as the judge was addressing the juror's questions. Let today be the day.

 

[Soulmagent]

I don’t blame the Jury for wanting to see both reports.

The first one sent to Tolini even Lewis doesn’t call it a report. She called it “ initial impressions “ and did not give an opinion or diagnosis of insanity.

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Mr Young questions her about it and asked her WHO wrote your final report?!

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Right , I really was wondering if they were gonna charge the Dr with fraud over it. Maybe I thought it is was a bigger issue than it is but they pretty much proved the Dr. is not sending her own e mail or writing her own reports. Not a lawyer but that whole show was looking like an arrest-able offense.

 

[lonetraveler]

Why on earth is the Defense team drinking out of the same cup?

 

[nonniecita]

I can understand wanting to see the report. That testimony was a mess and hard to follow. I think that's a great question and also a good reminder hearing that it's not admitted as evidence. Just reinforces for me that it's solely an opinion and not hard facts.

I imagine the written report would be much like a CVS receipt. Long, rambling that really says a whole lot of nothin' and just ends up in the trash.

And she sure did ramble on about herself a whole heck of a lot of the time.

 

[LovesPeace2]

Why on earth is the Defense team drinking out of the same cup?

I saw that on ra lol did cook spike his coffee lol a puff puff pass on the styrofoam cup jmoo

 

[girlhasnoname]

I have a good education, and I am opposed from my own ethical stance to allowing character disorders (personality disorders) to be considered legal insanity. I'm also opposed to it from a procedural and legal point of view. However, I still find CO's system and the general NGRI defense puzzling.

But I know that Borderline PD has been used successfully for a NGRI defense (because Borderline PD can include episodes of psychosis, often repeated and on the shorter term side, often snapped back to reality by the other inner demands of the psyche of the Borderline personality).

I think Dr L did say that DID and Borderline resemble each other (yes, indeed they do). Borderlines may have amnesia for the psychotic episodes, but in DID, the amnesia is only experienced by some personalities with the "main personality" often having the amnesia. In DID, the amnesia is explained by disassociation rather than psychosis (usually). Since there are no brain studies (that I know of and I've looked) of someone actively experiencing psychosis during either of these conditions, I don't know what to say about it. We have brain studies of schizophrenics, as a contrast. And bipolars. And depressives.

Since most acts of extreme violence (I would say excepting those committed by ASPD/sociopaths) are conducted in some kind of altered state (my opinion), it's a slippery slope. I think the whole insanity defense should spin around totally involuntary and unwitting mental states, by which the person's brain (through a longterm brain defect) renders them incapable of knowing they are eating someone's face or that they just killed someone they loved (in a paranoid state, thinking that person was a space alien or whatever). Even then, I'm not sure why we need a separate sentencing system for them (most prisons have psych wards, and if a state doesn't have a prison psych ward, they should make/build one if they're going to have this "they can get out when they're better" rubric).

Not all states have that rubric. In California, we still sentence NGRI defendants as required by law, they just serve their time elsewhere than a state prison (a state mental hospital - we have a couple of them). If they get better, they can go to prison (IME, they prefer to stay at the hospital and for good reasons). Also, in California, the determination about sanity is made by either the Court or by the Jury.

But we do not let them out once they get better, they have to serve their allotted time.

IMO.

John H JR. served 41 years + after his attempt to kill President Ford. He was also found NGRI.

 

[Kiranerys]

Why on earth is the Defense team drinking out of the same cup?

I didn't see that. I did notice Cook and LS cosying upbat the table again as counsel approached, and then the camera was moved so we couldn't see them.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

i like the idea that there is one juror who is considering NGRI and the others are trying to clear it up by getting the report. This makes me feel better so I’m just going to tell myself this until we hear otherwise.

There’s a certain YouTuber who has been very vocal about believing her to be NGRI and I can’t deal with how much they will gloat if the jury find her insane. I’ve had to stop reading their opinions as they are so so rude, berating and ridiculing others. Especially nasty towards Gannon’s family. Please snip this if not allowed I just have to get it out there about this person

 

[MonsterMatt345]

I feel bad for putting this out there but with all the talk about a hung jury requiring a retrial, what happens if there’s a hung jury, a retrial and then another hung jury? Could we get stuck perpetually in a cycle of constant retrials or will an 11 out of 12 result be accepted or does the defendant eventually walk free?

 

[arielilane]

Defense attorneys and Letecia all drinking out of the same styrofoam cup. lol

 

[Blondiexoxo]

I’m actually disgusted by the fact that her son is apparently allowed in the room when she’s seeing patients. I’ve been to numerous psychiatrists and therapists over the years, and they are very serious about privacy. Even video/phone sessions are supposed to be done in an area where no one is in earshot.

MOO but makes me wonder if she is following any HIPPA procedures at all

I am convinced she committed perjury on the stand. There were so many untruths, pretending not to know her own son, and then lying in her answers to the jury questions just to name 2. There were many IMO

 

[Kiranerys]

i like the idea that there is one juror who is considering NGRI and the others are trying to clear it up by getting the report. This makes me feel better so I’m just going to tell myself this until we hear otherwise.

There’s a certain YouTuber who has been very vocal about believing her to be NGRI and I can’t deal with how much they will gloat if the jury find her insane. I’ve had to stop reading their opinions as they are so so rude, berating and ridiculing others. Especially nasty towards Gannon’s family. Please snip this if not allowed I just have to get it out there about this person

TCK?

 

[Love Never Fails]

Just getting here.
To ask for a list of exhibits and Dr Lewis report sounds like one or more jurors thinks insanity is real.
I’m losing faith in real Justice. There shouldn’t even be juror questions at this point.
If she goes to the hospital she will believe she has won and little Gannon won’t receive justice in this world.

 

[arielilane]

All best buds. I recall my benefit of the doubt comment about attorney Cook from earlier post. moo

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1655601164346609664

Letecia Stauch trial: Jury to resume deliberations Monday morning

The jury started deliberations Friday afternoon in the trial against Letecia Stauch, who is accused of killing her 11-year-old stepson, Gannon Stauch, more than three years ago.

gazette.com

 

[10ofRods]

I feel bad for putting this out there but with all the talk about a hung jury requiring a retrial, what happens if there’s a hung jury, a retrial and then another hung jury? Could we get stuck perpetually in a cycle of constant retrials or will an 11 out of 12 result be accepted or does the defendant eventually walk free?

That could happen. I would think that after a second hung jury, some process by which there could be a bench trial (or a plea bargain that goes straight to NGRI) would be put in place.

If anyone is going to know whether there have ever been three trials where two had a hung jury and a third trial was ordered, it will be some of the people watching this thread. I can't think of any.

 

[gitana1]

Yeah, me neither. It sounds as if they are hoping to allow the experts to decide this for them, somehow. What I imagine in my head are two sides (or one person vs 11) taking the view that Dr L actually said T is insane. If she did say T was insane, in writing, they might have wanted to use that as evidence.

Yikes. Fortunately, they have to base this on her testimony. Good luck with that. Yikes again.

IMO.

Is there a link to her testimony?