CO - James Holmes Trial Discussion - Begins April 27, 2015 # 6

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  • #781
The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 17s 17 seconds ago
#theatershooting

D: No convos with JH about his life, interests?

A: She would ask how rotation was going, holiday, etc.



The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 5s 5 seconds ago
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D: he never initiated conversation?

A: No
 
  • #782
The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· now 4 seconds ago
#theatershooting

D: 3 lab presentations: you felt they were awkward?

A: Yes
 
  • #783
ETA - and yes, gun shot residue tests were done on his clothes and they all tested positive.

I haven't seen any evidence that Holmes' clothes were analyzed for GSR, but GSR was apparently found on his gloves, gas mask, and hands:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/printthread.php?t=279187&pp=25&page=31
Crowe analyzed the gas mask for gun shot residue. She found particles of gun shot residue on it
--JH's gloves were tested also...they had particles of gun shot residue

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/printthread.php?t=279187&pp=25&page=32
Emily Sullivan Gibson, lab tech for Professor Mark Dell'Acqua at CU.
J: did GSR on JH test positive on all 3 samples?
A: 2 hands positive, face didn't


Now normally this would be considered to be ironclad evidence, but the techs were curiously reticent in claiming that this proved that Holmes had actually fired a weapon:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26194790/doctor-wants-record-sanity-exam-aurora-theater-gunman
Later, a Colorado Bureau of Investigation analyst testified that swabs of Holmes' face and hands, as well as a gas mask and a pair of gloves taken off of him, tested positive for particles typically associated with gunshot residue. But, under cross-examination, she said such a finding cannot prove that someone actually fired a gun or was even nearby when one was shot.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/printthread.php?t=279187&pp=25&page=31
CBI forensic scientist Carol Crowe states that she can confirm the presence of gunshot residue, but can't tell whether the item was near a gun that fired or came into contact with gunshot residue.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/2...-shooting-trial-date-stands-for-james-holmes/
Crowe testified that her equipment drifted out of calibration while she was testing the samples, but she said the results were still acceptable.

Was this reticence due to only small or trace amounts of GSR being found, when a huge amount should have been found after the suspect fired at least 76 rounds? Or did the techs doubt their own findings due to equipment that was "out of calibration," hence making the results worthless?
 
  • #784
Re BBM

I have never even thought of it that way and this brings up some interesting points.

Why should people when finally "fixed" get to come out in society when truly insane people have to stay in a facility their whole life.

Maybe I mis-stated how some States assign it..but meant "Guilty but Mentally Ill". There are about 20 States that have some semblance of this as suggested in this link.

You can see why there's two sides on this issue :thinking:

https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q=States+that+have+guilty+but+insane+statutes

snip~~
Controversy surrounds the GBMI plea. Critics claim that juries are under the impression that the defendant found GBMI receives specialized treatment. In fact, these defendants are sent to the same correction centers as other defendants found guilty of crimes. Most critics rally for the explanation of this fact to juries before they deliberate. Critics further argue that with the over burdened mental health services in prisons today, the odds of GBMI inmates actually receiving any specialized mental health care is very low3. On the other hand, supporters of the GBMI plea claim that justice is more served by this trial outcome than in NGRI cases. They claim this is true because inmates who were found guilty but mentally ill are held accountable for their crimes even after they are restored to mental health, unlike individuals who were successful with the NGRI plea4.
 
  • #785
Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman

Jensen wasn't impressed with JH presentation or his casual appearance. Others tried to be more professional.
 
  • #786
The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 27s 28 seconds ago
#theatershooting

D: Spring 2012 (May) gave presentation. Strange that he chose topic w. nothing to do w. disorders?

A: Yes


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 24s 25 seconds ago
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D: Nobody laughed when he made joke?

A: not loudly


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· now 5 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Defense is pointing out JH was doing “odd” things in presentation not normal for 1st years.
 
  • #787
The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· now 6 seconds ago
#theatershooting

D: You say JH quiet, reserved, didn’t initiate communication? You interpreted that as laid back?

A: Yes


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 14s 14 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Defense: You don’t know why he presented as quiet or staring out the window?

A: Correct
 
  • #788
Is it normal for the defence attorney to just make statements and ask 'Correct' after each one?
 
  • #789
The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 10s 10 seconds ago
#theatershooting

D: You never saw him mean to anyone, wouldn’t say he was angry/aggressive/attention seeker?

A: Correct


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 24s 25 seconds ago
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Defense finished. Redirect with pros.
 
  • #790
The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 26s 26 seconds ago
#theatershooting

His delivery in presentations and delivery of joke was monotone.
 
  • #791
The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 23s 24 seconds ago
#theatershooting

In class did you have to let professor know your topic for presentation? It had to be approved?

A: Yes


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 27s 28 seconds ago
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DEFENSE: When you said JH was monotone, you mean in class and presentation?

A: Yes


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· now 3 seconds ago
#theatershooting

No jury?’s. Witness of stand
 
  • #792
Toni Billapando -- counts 28 and 86

GSW to face, lost tooth. Was pregnant at time of shooting, has since delivered. Was at movie with husband and friends, including Alex Sullivan.
Count 28: Attempted Murder in the 1st degree after deliberation
Count 86: Attempted Murder in the 1st degree extreme indifference
 
  • #793
The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· now 6 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Next up is Toni Billapando. She was at the movies with co-workers including Alex Sullivan.
 
  • #794
Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ

Toni Billapando is now on the stand. She was at the theater

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman

Next #theatershooting witness: Toni Billapando, who was part of the Red Robin group of workers celebrating Alex Sullivan's birthday.


https://twitter.com/trialdiariesj

https://twitter.com/larryryckman
 
  • #795
The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 46s 46 seconds ago
#theatershooting

She had a GSW to face, lost tooth. Was pregnant at time of shooting but delivered safely.


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· now
#theatershooting

Witness chokes up recalling how excited they were to celebrate Sully’s birthday.


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 17s 17 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Moved from theater 8 to 9 due to their group size. :(
 
  • #796
Is it normal for the defence attorney to just make statements and ask 'Correct' after each one?

Yes Maisie...Cross-examines can and are usually leading questions like that in order to solicit a Yes or no answer...but usually witness then asked "If they can explain their answer" to explain why...Yes not just often but usual.

The only other time is when the direct examinations can ask those type of questions if when they get the witness declared "Hostile"..Hope that explains it for you sweet pea. :blowkiss:
 
  • #797
Defence objecting to witness saying she was worried she wouldn't see her 3 year old child again.
 
  • #798
The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 1m 1 minute ago
#theatershooting

She said, “**** this”, and her tooth flew out of her mouth (she had been shot).


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 54s 55 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Husband put her on the ground. She was trying to breathe due to gas. Prayed for it to stop and all to be ok.


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 1m 1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Afraid she wouldn’t see her 3-year-old again.


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 18s 18 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Heard continuous gunshots and screams for help or in pain. Didn’t see what happened to friends at that time
 
  • #799
Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ

Toni saw the exit door open and a canister fly in.

Toni said "f this!" She got up and a tooth fell out of her mouth. She had been hit.

Toni was afraid she wouldn't see her 3 yr old child again...that got sustained.

Toni heard extremely loud gunshot noises and people screaming for help and in pain.

Toni heard a pause and tried to get up but her friend tackled her back to ground and gun shots started again

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman

Billapando tried to get up and run but she got shot. Her husband tackled her and tried to keep her down. Tried to run but slipped in blood
 
  • #800
The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 25s 26 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Gunshots paused. She tried to get up and husband tackled her to ground again as 2nd round of shots started.


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· now
#theatershooting

Hubby yelled to run. She slipped in blood. So many people running down stairs, she was pushed trying to go
 
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