CO - James Holmes Trial Discussion - Begins April 27, 2015 # 8

[Rhino-Esq]

Thank you for all the tweets and updates!!

 

[shiloh42]

Thinks he's going to be remembered "in a poor light"...

Ya think?

 

[zoey]

Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 44s44 seconds ago
DR: If someone in the theater would have put their hands up in surrender would you have shot them? JH: I didn't see that #theatershooting
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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Took off belt, put gun on car, officers came to him

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Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 2m2 minutes ago
#TheaterShooting psych eval vid: Holmes says he may have left not 2 fix gun but because he "was done shooting." Live: http://link.kdvr.com/1JmNJws

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Thinks community would be more tight knit afterwards
---The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Before he got there, he had no plan to affect community/people in theater

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
Dr Reid asks why the police didn't shoot JH and he responds he surrendered and raised arms. #theatershooting #theatertrial

--The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

JH just occupied with getting it done

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Reid: You had notebook and selfies.

JH - I don’t think people will remember me for any other reason

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Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 2m2 minutes ago
Dr.: Were you concerned with how you would be remembered? JH: No, I was concerned with just getting it done. #theatershooting

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 2m2 minutes ago
Dr asks JH if people he was shooting surrendered would he stop...JH responds he didn't see anyone do that #theatershooting #theatertrial

--The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Important for JH to be remembered?

JH - I don’t think I thought of it then
NOTE: JH said earlier he wanted to be remembered by photos

They’ll remember me as a bad guy
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Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 2m2 minutes ago
Dr. mentions the notebook. JH: I don't think people will remember me for any other reason. #theatershooting

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Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 2m2 minutes ago
"I think they'll remember me as a bad guy." #theatershooting

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 2m2 minutes ago
JH says he didn't consider how this shooting affected the community #theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

He didn’t anticipate people would remember him as bad guy before shooting
1st half of 2012 important for JH to be remembered
April - July 2012 : Wanting to be remembered wasn’t a reason to do shooting
Consideration of sending selfies to NY Times was to be remembered
--Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 2m2 minutes ago
JH says he will be remembered as a bad guy. He didn't think about that prior to shooting #theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

At that time would have wanted to be remembered as a good person

Wanted to be remembered for achievements, good in high school, academics
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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
JH says being remembered wasn't his reason for shooting #theatershooting #theatertrial

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Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 1m1 minute ago
If asked before this how he would want to be remembered, JH: As a good person. For my achievements in school. #theatershooting

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Towards mission time, he knew he would be remembered in poor light
End up being remembered as “mental ill” or different from the norm
Remembered as being successful with the mission
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Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 2m2 minutes ago
He now thinks he'll be remembered in a "poor light" (Ya think?!) #theatershooting

--Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
JH saying he wanted remembered for being a good person and his achievements #theatershooting #theatertrial

 

[shiloh42]

Probably grimacing in pain. JH trying to erase the truth of what he did in his mind.

 

[bexlex]

Probably grimacing in pain. JH trying to erase the truth of what he did in his mind.

Can't get that he caused pain....never once said that. Just shock and terror, no one was caused pain

 

[bexlex]

makes it too personal........

 

[bexlex]

being arrested prevents him from killing other people

 

[bexlex]

it was Not his intention to be locked up, but the chances of him getting away with it were nil. benefit of mission = increasing self worth

 

[zoey]

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 3m3 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Towards mission time, he knew he would be remembered in poor light
End up being remembered as “mental ill” or different from the norm
Remembered as being successful with the mission
The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Mission and points mean nothing in real life. REAL LIFE is the loss these people have lived with. http://www.thegoldpatrol.com/victims.html

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 3m3 minutes ago
JH saying he wanted remembered for being a good person and his achievements #theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Considers 12 deaths moderate success. injured - collateral damage. Doesn’t play factor
Injuries don’t detract from the success

Even w. 1000 wounded, he would only count the kills. Not damaged families, losing parent, not consideration
Not easy to type, not easy to read. Remember the victims
They had to be injured for me to kill the other people
Matters to JH detracting from the kills. If i put my shoes into my situation I wouldn’t want that happening to me

If JH had choice of less wounded, he would have chosen less collateral damage. (hypothetical
Mission took a lot of planning, resources
--Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 1m1 minute ago
If he had a choice he would have chosen less collateral damage. (um...you had a choice) #theatershooting

--Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
JH says he didn't think about the collateral damage but he now knows it matters #theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

More time/resources to kill 12 without the collateral damage

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

He would have needed to execute people. Go up to them - i can’t do that. It makes it too personal

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

He would have needed to execute people. Go up to them - i can’t do that. It makes it too personal
I would be executing individuals instead of a crowd--
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Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 1m1 minute ago
Dr. questioning the collateral damage saying JH could have walked up close to an individual and shot. #theatershooting

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Reid: you weren’t shooting individuals

JH - No i was shooting into a crowd.

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 2m2 minutes ago
JH says his mission took a lot of planning and resources #theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 2m2 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Jh says he could create plan to kill 12 solo but it would take a lot of time to prepare

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 2m2 minutes ago
JH says he couldn't execute people close up because it would be to personal #theatershooting #theatertrial

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 2m2 minutes ago
JH didn't feel like he executed people in theater because he shot into crowd #theatershooting #theatertrial

--The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Effect of arrest - prevents me from killing other people.
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Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 2m2 minutes ago
On him being arrested, JH: "It prevents me from killing other people" #theatershooting

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

JH says that was the result. Not his intention to be locked up

JH thought his chances of not being locked up - very slim He knew he was going to be but didn’t WANT to be

Reid: Why did you do it?

JH - That’s the price you pay for completing the mission. the benefit - increase self worth
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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 56s56 seconds ago
JH says being arrested prevents him from killing others...it's the "result" #theatershooting #theatertrial

 

[zoey]

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 48s49 seconds ago
#theatershooting

JH - being arrested pretty much what you see on TV. Everything i expected it would be. Routine

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 32s33 seconds ago
#theatershooting

I had never been arrested before. (JH getting edgy with this line of ?’s

 

[Rhino-Esq]

I like this doctor, "nice try" when JH said he has no emotion about getting arrested.

 

[zoey]

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 45s45 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Reid asking what HE felt being arrested. Tells him to try again

JH - Something that was going to be done

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 39s39 seconds ago
JH says the benefit to this mass shooting was to increase his self worth #theatershooting #theatertrial

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[bexlex]

Doc is starting to poke at him.....

 

[zoey]

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Reid: You’re having trouble about feelings of arrest

JH - Not having trouble recalling. Not everyday you get arrested

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

JH - Expected they’d handcuff me and put me in car. No surprises. Handcuffs were tight and silver.

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 48s48 seconds ago
#theatershooting

Reid: Feeling/experience

JH - Uncomfortable. Have to submit to their authority.

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Reid: Accustomed to submitting to authority?

JH - Yes, professors

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[LyndyLoo]

Can't get that he caused pain....never once said that. Just shock and terror, no one was caused pain

Yet he does know what pain is..and specifically bought bullet proof vests/gear+++ including family jewel protections. because he knew IF he got shot it would hurt...ohhh poor me if that should happen..BUT deny's that what he did would hurt..only shock and terror...What a flipping lying asshat!!

This is typical narcissism thinking and I've known a few in my life :facepalm:

 

[zoey]

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
JH says the handcuffs were uncomfortable �� #theatershooting #theatertrial

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The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 35s35 seconds ago
#theatershooting

JH - Interrogation - camera in corner. Not much to do really. They left him there. Guard inside room and @ door

 

[zoey]

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

JH thought the bags looked like popcorn bags

 

[zoey]

Yet he does know what pain is..and specifically bought bullet proof vests/gear+++ including family jewel protections. because he knew IF he got shot it would hurt...ohhh poor me if that should happen..BUT deny's that what he did would hurt..only shock and terror...What a flipping lying asshat!!

This is typical narcissism thinking and I've known a few in my life :facepalm:

He didn't want to be shot--thus he surrendered......

 

[zoey]

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Judge calls for afternoon break. Back at around 5:16 EST

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Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting Trial recesses for afternoon break. Court resumes at 3:15 -ish MDT.

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Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
JH says he watched CSI so what happened during his arrest was expected #theatershooting #theatertrial

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[shiloh42]

These interviews are fascinating. I love this doctor: he creates a rapport with JH without giving him validation or support, and gets JH to talk. He's asking all the questions I want to ask.