CO - James Holmes Trial Discussion - Begins April 27, 2015 # 8
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Maisiebelle
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Why are they finishing early and where was JH urinating? In the interview room?!
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eeewwwwww
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@TrialDiariesJ: Jury is going to go home now so court can deal with taking out some parts of the interview in video #theatershooting #theatertrial
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Apparently they don't want people to hear that JH has normal human necessary calls of nature...LOL JH has to be kept in some sort of capsule...SMH..Actually Judge said there was one incident of that..I never heard it giving there's a lot of transient noises coming across during all of his interviews..Fans, overhead warnings to the rest of the jail etc...oh yea..that water fountain that comes up rebooting from time to time ( VERY noisy)..Why would anyone even think water running was JH urinating????
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yes, I also didn't see. When they took a bathroom break, the tape was stopped???
This redaction seems to be just a few sentences away according to the judge. The part was starting to talk about interrogation so, something he said about the interrogation to the doc must not want to have the jury hear it.
The laughter earlier today was creepy. Sometime I thinkni hear a train.
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He's on his anti-psychotic meds now and still feels the same way about his value system and that he was right in killing all those people. Since he still believes he was right he would have done this anyway meds or not at some point of time. The only reason he is not violent now is he knows if he were to try something the cops would shoot him and poor baby wouldn't want the pain.
I believe he is evil and narcissistic. I don't think he has schizophrenia or schizo-affective disorder. My son has it so I've been around many with it and his symptoms don't fit the criteria. I do think he is lying and malingering. That shadow crap is BS.
If he wanted purpose and value why didn't he volunteer to help the less fortunate, elderly, homeless or Tudor kids??
If he hated broccoli why didn't he fill a room with it and shoot that up or fill up costumes with broccoli and shoot with a paintball gun.?
This guy is a monster like Adolph Hitler. He says prison is like DP anyway because he lost freedom. BS he was a loner anyway who did nothing, hated socializing, didn't go anywhere. He would be very content and happy in that cell. It's the DP he doesn't want. Because he wants to live. Now I'm leaning towards DP because he cannot be fixed with meds. He's on them now and still believes what he did was great. Meds haven't changed him to have empathy or remorse. He has no remorse. He can't be fixed!!!!!
I believe he is evil and narcissistic. I don't think he has schizophrenia or schizo-affective disorder. My son has it so I've been around many with it and his symptoms don't fit the criteria. I do think he is lying and malingering. That shadow crap is BS.
If he wanted purpose and value why didn't he volunteer to help the less fortunate, elderly, homeless or Tudor kids??
If he hated broccoli why didn't he fill a room with it and shoot that up or fill up costumes with broccoli and shoot with a paintball gun.?
This guy is a monster like Adolph Hitler. He says prison is like DP anyway because he lost freedom. BS he was a loner anyway who did nothing, hated socializing, didn't go anywhere. He would be very content and happy in that cell. It's the DP he doesn't want. Because he wants to live. Now I'm leaning towards DP because he cannot be fixed with meds. He's on them now and still believes what he did was great. Meds haven't changed him to have empathy or remorse. He has no remorse. He can't be fixed!!!!!
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Oh YOU SICK B*%#+\?!
He says people likely felt terror which was kind of unbelievable to him?
THAT'S because HE lived his entire life afraid of people. He wasn't able to overcome his social phobia which made him feel weak. HE has GIVEN other people control over his life because of the fear and anxiety rooted in their presence. He hated them for it. Now I get the feeling he reveled in the fact that he had "turned the tables" so to speak... because now HE was in control and caused THEM terror.
So don't give me that BS about trying to get help at the last minute, JH! It's far more likely you called the helpline hoping whoever answered would hear people screaming for their lives, you LEGALLY SANE BUT SICK piece of garbage.
Sorry guys... that statement really angered me.
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I've been waiting to hear your opinions because of your experience with schizophrenia. I know you had an open mind towards JH and his claims of mental illness. To hear that you don't believe he is schizophrenic is very helpful.
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I'm, so so glad you have been able to stop identifying and applying your own situation to him :thinking: and seeing this monster for who is really is..a unfixable evil narcissistic hate filled person..
He knew he was different..but refused to share it with anybody even as a child...wanted to fix himself even tho he had no clue on what was wrong..then goes about blaming fellow human beings, his teachers, his psychiatrist, that help line ( because they didn't answer FAST ENOUGH..then of course..the FBI should have stopped him ( oh yeah forgot to mention Fenton's meds could have been responsible!!...He needs to be put away for the rest of his days..and no one will here about him again...I would be thankful for LWOP..that way no parole hearings for victims to have to hear all about it again..then DP would entail decades of appeals, hearings and notoriety that he so craves...
I say Guilty..then LWOP..close his page/ chapter and verse!! Deny him any further media attention and further torture of the victims!!
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That's what gets me. He hid this from everyone. His whole life. Am I the only one who thinks he's got a huge grudge against Fenton?
Do you think he really didn't see anything but empty seats with imaginary people behind them? It's like he didn't enjoy his experience.....which makes me think that he would experiment in the future. I was hoping to hear....I thought it would be great, but it was too "icky" in real life
The talk by Holmes of 'value points' comes straight out of the world of online role-playing games. Something similar was noted in the case of Anders Breivik, the Norwegian mass murderer of Utoya Island in 2007:
http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/09/20/...09132/&usg=ALkJrhh8G-LyxXT68T0uD1bfCte52pRbDw
Brevik has questioned said that he spent much time in the game World of Warcraft... 32-year-old has previously explained his movements on Utøya as if he were in a violent computer game. Seven years ago he took a year off to concentrate on the game at full time.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.dagbladet.no/
We know that he has been extremely keen to play, and we know that many of his concepts are taken from the game world. And we know that he has explained that he did that on autopilot, or in a game, when he carried out the massacre of Utøya. I interpret it so that he almost did not experience it as real.
It's also similar to witness descriptions of the actions of the shooters in the Columbine High School library, where some witnesses thought the shooters were playing a 'game.'
Brooks Brown(Time, 5-10-99)
"What they did wasn't about anger or hate, ...It was about them living in the moment, like they were inside a video game."
Time (5-3-99)
Survivors said they treated it like a video game.
http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/09/20/...09132/&usg=ALkJrhh8G-LyxXT68T0uD1bfCte52pRbDw
Brevik has questioned said that he spent much time in the game World of Warcraft... 32-year-old has previously explained his movements on Utøya as if he were in a violent computer game. Seven years ago he took a year off to concentrate on the game at full time.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.dagbladet.no/
We know that he has been extremely keen to play, and we know that many of his concepts are taken from the game world. And we know that he has explained that he did that on autopilot, or in a game, when he carried out the massacre of Utøya. I interpret it so that he almost did not experience it as real.
It's also similar to witness descriptions of the actions of the shooters in the Columbine High School library, where some witnesses thought the shooters were playing a 'game.'
Brooks Brown(Time, 5-10-99)
"What they did wasn't about anger or hate, ...It was about them living in the moment, like they were inside a video game."
Time (5-3-99)
Survivors said they treated it like a video game.
http://www.denverpost.com/theater-s...trists-video-aurora-theater-gunman?source=pkg
....what began as paranoid fears for his own safety escalated into an unstoppable desire to kill many others — even if Holmes, speaking slowly with a blank stare and no inflection in his voice, couldn't explain why.
"There's no anger," he told Reid. Then, later: "It was just something I had to do. ... It's like I was obligated to do it."
The strange compulsion Holmes felt is mirrored by the statements of Springfield, Oregon's Thurston High School shooter Kip Kinkel, back in 1998:
"In police interview he repeated "over and over" that "I had no choice."
Q: Why did you go to school and start shooting people?
A: I had to. I had no other choice. I couldn't do anything else."
....what began as paranoid fears for his own safety escalated into an unstoppable desire to kill many others — even if Holmes, speaking slowly with a blank stare and no inflection in his voice, couldn't explain why.
"There's no anger," he told Reid. Then, later: "It was just something I had to do. ... It's like I was obligated to do it."
The strange compulsion Holmes felt is mirrored by the statements of Springfield, Oregon's Thurston High School shooter Kip Kinkel, back in 1998:
"In police interview he repeated "over and over" that "I had no choice."
Q: Why did you go to school and start shooting people?
A: I had to. I had no other choice. I couldn't do anything else."
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No. I definitely sense some animosity towards her. I think I even read/heard somewhere that he left threatening messages on her voicemail, and that's what prompted her to notify campus security. I could have the facts wrong about that, but I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere.
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