CO - Jessica Hernandez, 17, killed by police after LEO struck by stolen car

[Fred Hall]

I am thinking the same. I don't think the officer in front of the car was aiming too well. Probably more concerned with jumping out of the way. The other officer probably got those 3 sots off from the side of the car. JMO

He landed three shots on the driver of a car that was accelerating laterally past him? Most of my knowledge of firearms comes from watching Mythbusters, but this sounds like a fairly exceptional feat. I am looking forward to seeing the officer shooting skeet in Rio, 2016

 

[Woodland]

The Denver Post doesn't seem to think that the findings regarding the bullet directions are important. This headline they chose for their story on the medical findings makes no mention of the direction that she was shot from - "Autopsy: Jessica Hernandez shot three times; traces of alcohol, pot in her system"'. Traces of inebriants are more significant than the fact that she was shot from her side? The Fox31 Denver article on the autopsy presents the fact that she was shot from her left as a claim made by her family's lawyer and not a statement made by the Denver medical examiner. The TV news clip that accompanies the Fox31 Denver article makes no mention of bullet direction at all. Is it perhaps a sensitive issue?

Or they missed the significance altogether.

 

[Woodland]

Imo, if an officer is not in a position to aim their weapon very well, that officer should not be firing their weapon. Bystanders, fellow officers, etc all at risk.

Pretty sure the officer in question was trained to only fire with deadly accuracy.

 

[Fred Hall]

Apparently there exists amateur footage of the immediate aftermath of the shooting. I wonder if it will be released to the public when the investigation is complete? It will of course show the injured officer on the ground, clutching his broken leg

 

[katydid23]

Apparently there exists amateur footage of the immediate aftermath of the shooting. I wonder if it will be released to the public when the investigation is complete? It will of course show the injured officer on the ground, clutching his broken leg

Are you implying that the officer was not hit by the car?

 

[katydid23]

He landed three shots on the driver of a car that was accelerating laterally past him? Most of my knowledge of firearms comes from watching Mythbusters, but this sounds like a fairly exceptional feat. I am looking forward to seeing the officer shooting skeet in Rio, 2016

They train and practice with moving targets. I don't think it would be considered as that 'exceptional' of a feat.

 

[katydid23]

Imo, if an officer is not in a position to aim their weapon very well, that officer should not be firing their weapon. Bystanders, fellow officers, etc all at risk.

Pretty sure the officer in question was trained to only fire with deadly accuracy.

They only have seconds to decide if they should shoot or not. Maybe they think they can accurately make the shot but they miss. It happens.

 

[Fred Hall]

Are you implying that the officer was not hit by the car?

I'm implying that the officer's leg was not broken. The question of whether the officer was hit by the car will be impossible to verify without video evidence. However, all witnesses that have spoken to the media have stated that both officers were ambulatory and appeared uninjured.

 

[katydid23]

I'm implying that the officer's leg was not broken. The question of whether the officer was hit by the car will be impossible to verify without video evidence. However, all witnesses that have spoken to the media have stated that both officers were ambulatory and appeared uninjured.

I am not sure of the significance of whether the cops leg was broken or not.

 

[Fred Hall]

I am not sure of the significance of whether the cops leg was broken or not.

That that an officer's leg had been broken was repeated as fact in every single news report and headline regarding the shooting. If this statement about the officer's injury is untrue, what other DPD claims about the shooting might be false?

 

[Elley Mae]

That that an officer's leg had been broken was repeated as fact in every single news report and headline regarding the shooting. If this statement about the officer's injury is untrue, what other DPD claims about the shooting might be false?

I looked at the first post and it says leg injury, do you have a link to the leg being broken? TIA

 

[katydid23]

That that an officer's leg had been broken was repeated as fact in every single news report and headline regarding the shooting. If this statement about the officer's injury is untrue, what other DPD claims about the shooting might be false?

I went back to the first two pages of this thread to see if I saw any references to the cop shaving a 'broken' leg. That is something I had never seen previously. I saw nothing calling it 'broken.' I did see:


White said both officersthen opened fire. The officer hit by the car was taken to a hospital with a leg injury." dtd Jan 26bbm
http://www.stltoday.com/news/nationa...796acbde4.html


ETA


"Moments before opening fire on a car full of teenagers, two Denver police officers asked several times for those inside to get out after learning the car had been reported stolen, Police Chief Robert White said Wednesday.
"At some point, the original officer that responded to the scene, the vehicle started driving toward him, which pretty much had him between a car and a brick wall and a fence," White said in an interview with The Denver Post. "Out of fear for his safety, he fired several shots and the other officer also fired several shots.""

"Jordan's leg was fractured during Monday's incident, White said."


http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27...g-unarmed-teen


So this article said his leg was fractured. Is there evidence to show that is incorrect?

 

[Yoda]

I'm implying that the officer's leg was not broken. The question of whether the officer was hit by the car will be impossible to verify without video evidence. However, all witnesses that have spoken to the media have stated that both officers were ambulatory and appeared uninjured.

I though only one witness spoke out. Link was posted upthread. And she said the officer was pinned between the car and the fence.

 

[katydid23]

I'm implying that the officer's leg was not broken. The question of whether the officer was hit by the car will be impossible to verify without video evidence. However, all witnesses that have spoken to the media have stated that both officers were ambulatory and appeared uninjured.

Also, one can be ambulatory, appear uninjured, and still have a bone fracture. That is quite common.

 

[Fred Hall]

try this one:

http://www.9news.com/story/news/loc...ess-to-cop-shooting-tells-her-story/22449579/


"When the cops walked up, they were on [Jessica's] side of the car, and they shot the window and they shot her. That's when she wrecked, and that's when the cop got hit."


Jessica Hernandez (Photo: Courtesy)
The eyewitness said, due to the shooting, Jessica was not in control of the car when it hit the officer.

The conflicting information doesn't prove any wrongdoing on the part of Denver officers, it should be said, but it does offer an alternate theory as to what led up to the shooting.

The officer suffered a broken leg, according to Chief White. The witness tells 9Wants to Know the officer was pinned between the car and a fence, and that's why the officer suffered a broken leg.

An autopsy completed by the Denver Coroner's Office indicates Hernandez died as a result of multiple gunshot wounds. The office would not comment on what "multiple" meant, but another witness tells 9Wants to Know she remembers hearing at least four shots.

http://www.9news.com/story/news/loc...ess-to-cop-shooting-tells-her-story/22449579/

I believe the actual word used by Chief White was "fractured" but this journalist seems to think it means the same as broken, as did I. Whatever the case, I predict that the crime scene footage will never be released, as the stark obscenity inherent in the spectacle of two grown men manhandling the bleeding body of a murdered girl would bring the case to worldwide attention.

 

[Yoda]

I believe the actual word used by Chief White was "fractured" but this journalist seems to think it means the same as broken, as did I. Whatever the case, I predict that the crime scene footage will never be released, as the stark obscenity inherent in the spectacle of two grown men manhandling the bleeding body of a murdered girl would bring the case to worldwide attention.

I disagree.

 

[katydid23]

I believe the actual word used by Chief White was "fractured" but this journalist seems to think it means the same as broken, as did I. Whatever the case, I predict that the crime scene footage will never be released, as the stark obscenity inherent in the spectacle of two grown men manhandling the bleeding body of a murdered girl would bring the case to worldwide attention.

A murdered girl? Are you referring to the girl driving the stolen car---the girl out of jail that day for another stolen car and resisting arrest then too? The one who was stoned and drunk, while driving, and refusing orders to get out of the car? It is not like she was an innocent bystander. She even wrote on her twitter page that she felt like she was going to 'die by cop' one day.

 

[Woodland]

They train and practice with moving targets. I don't think it would be considered as that 'exceptional' of a feat.

For clarification, are Denver police trained to shoot at moving vehicles? What other moving targets are they trained to shoot at?

 

[al66pine]

I believe the actual word used by Chief White was "fractured" but this journalist seems to think it means the same as broken, as did I. Whatever the case, I predict that the crime scene footage will never be released, as the stark obscenity inherent in the spectacle of two grown men manhandling the bleeding body of a murdered girl would bring the case to worldwide attention.so

"Journalist seemed to think" fractured was broken, then 'broken' was repeated in other MSM.
I'm not sure what journalist thought but see what journalist did -
substituted different term (perhaps inaccurate conclusion?) for what LE stated.

Respectfully, if LE chief or spokesman stated 'LEO at scene had fractured leg,' and
if journalist wrote in article 'LEO was dead,' and other MSM repeated that,
does it change nature of LEO's actual injury? Does it place responsibility for inaccuracy on LE?
Not in my mind, but JM2cts.

Legal issue is LEOs' perception of situation at the time, not whether later determination leg was fractured or broken.
Is there any doubt that that vehicle (whatever it was, I've forgotten) - was capable - when moving -
of causing serious physical injury or death to that LEO or another person at the time when LEO(s) fired?

Thx Fred Hall, for joining thread.
Lots of different opinions and viewpoints. Interesting for me to read them, your and others.

ETA 5:30pm MT. Going to cut & paste this^ and comment further, possibly make correction.

 

[Woodland]

A murdered girl? Are you referring to the girl driving the stolen car---the girl out of jail that day for another stolen car and resisting arrest then too? The one who was stoned and drunk, while driving, and refusing orders to get out of the car? It is not like she was an innocent bystander. She even wrote on her twitter page that she felt like she was going to 'die by cop' one day.

Find myself interested in whether either officer that fired at Jessica had ever had any interaction with her in the past. That back to front and upwards shot has me very curious as to how exactly that happened.

Would like to know more about that fractured/broken/injured leg sustained by the officer. Was a cast required? Insertion of any hardware in the bone? Crutches? Or did the car roll to a stop before hitting him and simply momentarily block his path? Did he move to the front of the car - or does Denver Police still maintain Jessica drove at him, requiring her to be shot? But then, shots that hit her were fired from her left side only?