CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #15 *ARREST*

[katydid23]

No. If he signed the BC......OR.....if a paternity action was filed and he was found to be the father, then KB could absolutely not move with the baby unless the court allowed it or PF agreed.

Colorado law asserts the child has the right to the love, support, and custody of BOTH parents.

Kelsey could’ve not moved with the baby out of state without PF’s permission or a court decree.

True. But I do not know if he did or did not file a paternity action or if he did or did not sign the BC.

She didn't give the baby his last name. That makes me wonder if she put him down as the father, legally or not.

Maybe she wanted some leverage and wanted him to put a ring on it first?

 

[playthe361]

IMO driving with a dead body in car for 700 miles is too risky, especially during the holidays when there's more travelers on the road.

I don't know on this one. I would think most anyone, in whatever role, capable of taking another persons life, being involved in taking someones life probably wouldn't be too concerned by driving a vehicle with a body in it. Especially if they were pretty confident nobody was going to be looking for the person in their car.

 

[jewelsmac]

And sometimes we make them up as we go to keep each other on our toes.

excellent

 

[mistivon]

I think he had a plan and she wouldn't go along with it/cooperate. I think that infuriated him and he lost his temper. Made mistakes. The man is not smart, in fact I would love the DM to dig up some teachers or people who knew him in highschool....I bet he was low average, blend into the background, few friends kind of guy. Idk maybe I'm wrong..
I think we are going to see more dump searches. At least one.

 

[Irmese]

I think this horse tranquilizer thing is missing the mark. Even if he had access to such a thing, that in no way means that he used it in the commission of this crime.

He likely had access to a gun, and I don’t think he used that either.

Law enforcement believes that she was killed in that house, and to me that means one thing:

They found blood.

Most killers don’t use tranquilizers to disable and kill their victims.

Kelsey was no match for Cowboy Pat, and he didn’t need that type of thing to kill her.

We’ve heard anecdotal accounts of physical abuse involving PF and animals. I don’t think that it’s a stretch to think he did the same thing to Kelsey.

Only it was fatal.

It’s something a bully would do, and Cowboy Pat is nothing if not a bully.

I agree. The only question I was looking at was could he have had access to some type of horse tranq and he could have. Unless they find something that would be related to that, I don't believe it happened that way.

 

[NanZDrew]

On the horse tranquilizers, he might have used them, but I don't go with the theory of him having them to calm horses while working on his feet. There are other ways to hold a horse still and keep them from kicking. The way we used was have the horse step in a rope loop with his back foot. Lift the rope and foot and tie so the horse is standing on ONE hind foot. They can't kick with the other foot because they are using it to stand. It doesn't hurt the horse, and it keeps the farrier safe and the horse is still. Some people use twitches which I never liked.

 

[SoVeryMe]

I’ve read a lot of speculation about why PF would or wouldn’t do something. That’s all we’ve had to discuss this weekend and I’ve contributed to those discussions as well. I think it’s important to remember that he (likely-no conviction yet although I think he’s guilty as heck) murdered the mother of his child! There is nothing that he could’ve done up until this point that would surprise me because he already committed one of the most heinous acts he could have and for lack of a better phrase, had a major error in judgement. Clearly he isn’t operating with a full deck of cards one way or another.

My point is.....I wouldn’t put any terrible, awful or dumb decision past him.

 

[ReadySet]

Maybe because it had come out on the one news channel, remember most here thought it must not be true because it was only reported by the one outlet? So they were getting questioned locally and and nationally. They were clarifying and releasing what they could. JMO
The police chief Craig Kingsbury is stellar . I have a lot of faith in him. I doubt they wanted to "brag" about their role.

I've wondered the exact same thing! Like why release a statement on 12/22 that says you were contacted by the FBI on 12/15 to assist with the execution of several search warrants related to the case but offer no other information about the nature of the search warrants or what evidence may or may not have been recovered. Why wouldn't they wait until they could confirm or deny that evidence was recovered and handed over to the FBI or why wouldnt they release it on the same day as the last press conference? It seemed weird to me... almost as if they just wanted to brag about their role in the investigation. Like they weren't given their due credit during the PC and wanted the public to know.

 

[cluciano63]

Am still thinking Idaho phone ping was to throw them off...and that she is much closed to home. He wanted to make it look like she took off, imo, maybe with someone else, leaving her car, baby and job. All he wanted now was the child...not Kelsey, her income or home...jmo. If it looked like she left on her own, even better chance he would get sole custody with no problem. If she never came back...oh well, she ran into trouble, not his fault.

And if he had someone do the texting, I am sure he was prominently seen by many people on the days in question. Maybe the other person he solicited agreed to take her phone but not to kill her. Or someone else altogether did that. Guess we have to wait and see. All jmo. Still feel like custody was his purpose.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I wonder when the search warrants will be served.

Evidence in case of missing Colorado mom discovered in Idaho: Police
Detectives from the Twin Falls County Sheriff's Office and Twin Falls Police Department worked with the Colorado Bureau of Investigations [CBI] and the FBI to prepare and serve several search warrants as well as processing some items of evidence with the assistance of Twin Falls County and Twin Falls City Evidence Technicians," the police department's statement reads.

 

[susiQ]

That could explain why he was so cocky and wouldn't interview. He thought there was nothing to tie him to the crime and he had alibis.

But I don't see a hired hit man taking the time to clean up.

 

[Juledrops]

I read a few days ago that he was quite a bully with his horses and didnt think twice about being abusive towards them and it was publicly done, didn't care who saw him. Said he was very controlling with them, to me that's big red flags for a start. It was surely an abusive controlled relationship on his behalf he had with KB. Very sadly she has paid the ultimate price.

 

[Irmese]

I don't think he would hesitate using a tranquilizer. I am just wondering why he'd need to. ?

He would not need to, but it would be fast, easy and clean. IMO. Let me repeat this again, I don't think this is what happened. I merely stated that he could have had the drugs on hand, as another poster asked.

 

[ReadySet]

Gosh. So Chrissmasy here.

 

[NanZDrew]

I do think back roads were used, if at all

Of course, if you wanted a really good crime, you would do it. Make it look like someone abducted her as she was headed to grandmas as PF said, the phone pings, and then she is abducted at Gooding or north of there. It would be risky. After looking at that other guy that was arrested for solicitation in Twin Falls, I would say he was out of his mind on meth and could care less about risks. Is meth abundant in the area?

 

[cluciano63]

delete/never mind

 

[Irmese]

On the horse tranquilizers, he might have used them, but I don't go with the theory of him having them to calm horses while working on his feet. There are other ways to hold a horse still and keep them from kicking. The way we used was have the horse step in a rope loop with his back foot. Lift the rope and foot and tie so the horse is standing on ONE hind foot. They can't kick with the other foot because they are using it to stand. It doesn't hurt the horse, and it keeps the farrier safe and the horse is still. Some people use twitches which I never liked.

I never said he used them to calm horses or commit murder. Someone asked if he could have had them on hand and the answer is yes, he could have. It is not my opinion that he used them on horses or KB. As a horse owner he could have and, apparently, although it is illegal for farriers to administer such drugs, sometimes they do.

From the article in American Farriers Journal: "Farriers become concerned about being injured by unruly horses or losing valuable time waiting for the vet to show up to sedate the horse. Plus, many report dealing with owners who often don’t want to pay to have a vet tranquilize the horse. Some farriers consider tranquilizers an excuse for owners and trainers to not train horses for hoof-care work. And there’s also the liability issue for farriers when it comes to administering drugs."

Product Knowledge: New Way to Sedate Problem Horses | American Farriers Journal

 

[NanZDrew]

I’ve read a lot of speculation about why PF would or wouldn’t do something. That’s all we’ve had to discuss this weekend and I’ve contributed to those discussions as well. I think it’s important to remember that he (likely-no conviction yet although I think he’s guilty as heck) murdered the mother of his child! There is nothing that he could’ve done up until this point that would surprise me because he already committed one of the most heinous acts he could have and for lack of a better phrase, had a major error in judgement. Clearly he isn’t operating with a full deck of cards one way or another.

My point is.....I wouldn’t put any terrible, awful or dumb decision past him.

Yep! We all try to use logic which is something they lack or they wouldn't murder. So they often shock us.

 

[jewelsmac]

Geez why do men murder

I agree with you

I basically go with the belief that, in the immortal words of Debra winger in BLACK WIDOW… “Nobody really knows why anybody does anything”

 

[cluciano63]

But I don't see a hired hit man taking the time to clean up.

Unless he did that himself later.

 

[Jazzy5980]

Would he have access to ketamine which is also used as a horse tranquilliser?

He would not have legal access to Ketamine or any other horse tranq or opioid without a prescrip; these meds are given by vets for a specific purpose for a limited period of time while horse is closely monitored by med personnel. Possible PF could have acquired illegally.