CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #23 *ARREST*

[Mom24]

I wish. We all wish.

This ain’t the Watts case, and I don’t see a plea deal coming.

He isn’t going to give them Kelsey’s body, as I don’t see the prosecution making it worth his while.

He’s looking at a life sentence either way, and drawing this process out, won’t be a big deal to him.

If he could kill an innocent woman, he isn’t likely to care about doing the right thing now.

That's the thing, either way he's going to face a hefty sentence. So he's gambling that without a body he can still push the "she just took off" nonsense.

 

[MsBetsy]

...because he feels he’s been done wrong.

It gives me a migraine to think why these guys think their plan will work,when most do not. Why do they think their plan is “the one”? Then, they make the stupidest mistakes, right out of the gate. IMO, if one is dead set on murdering his SO, it’s prob’ best to not share said intentions.

I think it's just an act. Although I do wonder if he thinks he has been betrayed. Imo

 

[Mercedes]

Lol, I think LA used to have them. Never heard of any in CO.

Levity aside, I wonder when a defendant realizes he’s not getting away with his crime? Maybe not until the pretrial process?
Maybe an attorney will weigh in, I’m curious when the DA/defendant start discussing plea deals.

Well, he knows for sure when the jury returns a guilty verdict.

 

[Trudie]

I wish. We all wish.

This ain’t the Watts case, and I don’t see a plea deal coming.

He isn’t going to give them Kelsey’s body, as I don’t see the prosecution making it worth his while.

He’s looking at a life sentence either way, and drawing this process out, won’t be a big deal to him.

If he could kill an innocent woman, he isn’t likely to care about doing the right thing now.

No, he can’t give K’s body up, that’d be an admission of guilt. So, if another person gives it up, he may have leverage “I didn’t know but he/she did”. Idk
I’m thinking if one solicits another to pull off a murder, some of the convo might include post murder behavior. Jmo

 

[BingoBongo]

If PF has known the ID nurse for a long time, is it possible she didn't want to have kids or was unable to have kids but Patrick wanted them?

He could have gone on the dating site looking for a "broodmare" who was willing to move to Florissant. (I'm saying that is how he could have been thinking. I'm not using that term as a description of KB).
IMO

She has children already. Has been married, but is now divorced.

 

[MassGuy]

That's the thing, either way he's going to face a hefty sentence. So he's gambling that without a body he can still push the "she just took off" nonsense.

Yeah. “She’s not dead, but if she is, I didn’t do it.”

Good luck explaining the solicitation, and the fact that Kelsey’s phone apparently ended up in the hands of a “friend of his.”

I’m sure he’s got an innocent explanation for everything.

 

[Trudie]

Well, he knows for sure when the jury returns a guilty verdict.

At what point are deals brought up? Tysm

 

[Sheenaisapunkrocker]

My sad thought, and NO disrespect to any nurses, but nurses deal with dead bodies more than the average person. I’m getting a sinking feeling assisting with the act and/or transporting KB’s body would not have been hard for IN. Given her profession, if that makes sense. I’m curious what she will be charged with...If/when she is charged. MOO

The unsubstantiated, unverified pics I've seen of IN look remarkably like a younger version of PF's mom, BTW.

 

[Mercedes]

You are amazing...you can see me crying! I do love for the cases to go faster than they do. I am ready for them to nail him to the wall.

They just have to get the nails together and then find the hammer!

The BIG one.

 

[BingoBongo]

I think the small amount of physical evidence they were worried about, is not as important as once thought due to recent events.

IMO

 

[zecats]

If PF has known the ID nurse for a long time, is it possible she didn't want to have kids or was unable to have kids but Patrick wanted them?

He could have gone on the dating site looking for a "broodmare" who was willing to move to Florissant. (I'm saying that is how he could have been thinking. I'm not using that term as a description of KB).
IMO

Yikes! Does such a thing exist? BBM

 

[MassGuy]

No, he can’t give K’s body up, that’d be an admission of guilt. So, if another person gives it up, he may have leverage “I didn’t know but he/she did”. Idk
I’m thinking if one solicits another to pull off a murder, some of the convo might include post murder behavior. Jmo

I’ve seen it done before actually, not that I think it’ll happen here.

Basically, the murder suspect provides the DA with the location of a body, with the promise that the circumstances of its discovery will not be brought up in court.

The reason that I don’t think he told someone about the location of the body, is that I think it would have been found by now.

Even if he was vague about it, I think we would have seen large scale searches at some point.

 

[Trudie]

They just have to get the nails together and then find the hammer!

The BIG one.

Nail gun, much faster!

 

[MsBetsy]

At what point are deals brought up? Tysm

Going by the Watts case, I believe it can be at any time. Jmo

 

[Mercedes]

Ok trying to catch up. I think I have. I thought it was odd that the hearing was set for 3.5 hours. What did it take, about 20 minutes? Not too surprised that Preliminary is pushed back. The public defenders will have a lot of work to get up to speed on this. I can only assume that since the Arrest Warrant is released to public that they are still considering other arrests or at a minimum want to talk to more witnesses that they have not gotten to yet.

Has the arrest warrant been released to the public? I didn’t think so.

 

[PommyMommy]

Do you think Kelsey's parents will be able to hear this?

If you mean the affidavit, I wouldn't think so.
MOO

 

[zea mays]

@BingoBongo

Please stop. You're going to get the thread shut down. If it hasn't been reported in MSM (and it hasn't) we can't talk about it here.

 

[tmar]

I think it's just an act. Although I do wonder if he thinks he has been betrayed. Imo

If PF thinks he has been betrayed, imagine his thoughts, and plans to 'out' the betrayer'.
Thank goodness he cannot leave the comforts he now is experiencing.
He probably would have 3 solicited attempts planned already.
MOO.

 

[zea mays]

If PF thinks he has been betrayed, imagine his thoughts, and plans to 'out' the betrayer'.
Thank goodness he cannot leave the comforts he now is expeiencing.
He probably would have 3 solicited attempts planned already.
MOO.

In this case, I really do believe they were keeping the affidavit sealed from him to protect whoever was talking.

MOO

 

[moonlessnight]

I get the feeling PF used CW as inspiration, but thought, hey - if I take the phone and the purse and get rid of them and I don't talk to LE (3 things CW messed up with), they will never catch me. I thought PF killed KB purely for custody, but I think another woman could be part of the issue similarly to CW - but custody (or presence of children) is still definitely part of the issue in both cases, IMO.

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I think most cases are pretty straightforward in the end, when we often try to make it complex, but this case has some unexplained twists. I just don’t see someone traveling with KB’s phone, knowing she was deceased. That act makes them a target for LE. It makes me wonder if he lied to the person with the phone saying KB just needs to get away/disappear and gave some believable story and asked if she would help them. Maybe PF didn’t “think” it would ever be reported as a murder. Maybe PF has some information the girl doesn’t want revealed so she agreed. I’m just not understanding who would willingly agree to this, unless involved. I’m not saying she’s involved. Just throwing some theories out there. Bless KBs family, especially her baby girl and mama. ETA: IMO
Sincerely,
]

I certainly hope IN does not read your post.
It could be an innocent explanation why she took the phone etc (if this occurred).
Could this be believed?
MOO.[/QUOTE]