CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #23 *ARREST*

[jaspermac]

Could someone summarize what we are allowed to know about IN?

None of that. If it isn't reported in MSM, it's not allowed

 

[Peppery]

Even if they find her body, what does he have to lose by going to trial? Chances are high the media or SM is going to ferret out all the sordid details of any alleged affair, family secrets, his past back to when he learned how to wipe his nose. At least pleading not guilty gets him interaction with his attorneys, he’ll attend the trial, it will occupy some of his time. It might even be entertaining to him. He knows even if sentenced to death it’s unlikely he will be executed, so why not? It costs him not a penny and he’s got nothing left but time. He will be in jail either way, might as well take a chance he can convince a jury he’s not guilty. It worked for Casey and OJ, he’s got a shot too. Imo.

If he’s truly narcissistic, he’s likely enjoying having this control. He knows her family wants her remains and he can continue to be in control of that. Knowing she is out there decomposing and exposed is like the ultimate disrespect. The amount of power they can exert is intoxicating for some people. Imo.

 

[PommyMommy]

So if it "could have put a potential witness in danger", is the potential witness in danger now? Is anyone protecting the witness?

It sounds like the witness(es) are no longer in danger but I don't think we know if anyone is protecting her/him/them.
MOO

 

[Jupiter05]

Could someone summarize what we are allowed to know about IN?

We are not allowed to slueth anyone not charged or arrested. So you can know, but you cannot post about it. IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

You can know what you know. I think you can’t tell us all you know or ask what we know or don’t know.

That clears that up.

 

[Jupiter05]

This is why it might be a good idea to have a summary of what is officially “known” about IN, since it’s now obvious that she is real and a big part of the picture.

Noooo. Not allowed until or if she is charged and or arrested.

 

[bestill]

Thoughts on who is leaking this info to the fb admins and the press? I hope that the press is doing their research and not just reporting what's floating around social media. jmo

 

[PommyMommy]

Wasn't there a motion by the defense for all the evidence the prosecution has including LE notes, correspondence, emails, texts, etc? Was that ruled on?

Yes, this is the order on the motion:

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/001/CTO-D-003 Amended Order Re Motion to Preserve Police and Production of Law Enforcement Notes, Recordings and Other Evidence.pdf

Colorado Judicial Branch - Teller - Cases of Interest - The People of the State of Colorado v. Patrick Frazee

 

[gitana1]

and women.

You know I have a feeling he's far different with unrelated women. Tries to act manly and tough. That little boy act would likely only work with a mom or sisters.

 

[gitana1]

The court minute says, "...parties still waiting to review discovery in criminal case before proceeding further..." It sounds like the custody hearing will need to be pushed back to me. Good question for @gitana1 or @PrairieWind.

Yes and that's fine with me. The more time the baby has with the Berreths the less likely it is that the F family will prevail in getting her placed with them pending the outcome of the dependency court case.

 

[Deleted member 718]

my mistake

 

[gitana1]

Absolutely agree.

And there have been some who are protected by family no matter what they do -- much to the person's own detriment.
Do not know if this is what happened here..... but if it looks and quacks like a duck...

It's definitely my suspicion.

 

[SaranWrapPetunia]

For clarification, was the reason they kept the contents of the affidavit from Frazee so that he would not know to what extent the potential person involved had been cooperating?

This is what I've been thinking. Akin to keeping people in separate rooms for questioning so parties don't know what the other is saying. MOO.

 

[PommyMommy]

For clarification, was the reason they kept the contents of the affidavit from Frazee so that he would not know to what extent the potential person involved had been cooperating?

The original motion said it may jeopardize the ongoing investigation and the physical safety of potential witnesses.
MOO

 

[Vandalay Industries]

Reports: Twin Falls nurse suspected of disposing missing Colorado woman's cellphone

Hospital confirmed law enforcement has been in contact, but can't confirm which agency.. Interesting.

 

[girlhasnoname]

That clears that up.

HAHAHAHA, I'm sorry but that was hilarious MB Thanks for a laugh, it's been a busy day. This sleuthing stuff is serious business and I'm going to leave it to the professionals Ha!

Hopefully all of us can just chill out regarding the IDAHO Nurse for now. Seems like we'll have plenty of time to find out everything and I don't want to have the thread shut down either.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Noooo. Not allowed until or if she is charged and or arrested.

 

[k-mac]

If PF has known the ID nurse for a long time, is it possible she didn't want to have kids or was unable to have kids but Patrick wanted them?

He could have gone on the dating site looking for a "broodmare" who was willing to move to Florissant. (I'm saying that is how he could have been thinking. I'm not using that term as a description of KB).
IMO

im not buying PF wanted kids.
this guy lives at home sponging off his mother, has a girl in every cow town just doesn't fit the settled family image imo.

the baby was an accident (so early in their unstable relationship) and I suspect now that PF has resented KB for getting pregnant. its her fault. she tried to trap him. she likely was one of a few he had on the go at the time. (wether kesley knew this or not idk)
he has accepted the baby (fruit of his loins) but finds the family way with KB a no go putting up with 'Kelsey hanging in there' for over a year intolerable.



that's the picture I am seeing now.
where do these 's get off illiminating a woman because she is trying to stay in your picture.
maybe it is suffocating, maybe it is pathetic to you if your loathing on someone ...but maybe if you didn't use them and give them mixed vibes she wouldn't be hanging around?????
that's the truly cruel part of these monsters.
engaging beautiful successful women and then game playing them into submission and snuffing them out because they have surrendered to you.

moo

 

[Mom24]

None of that. If it isn't reported in MSM, it's not allowed

Just to clarify because one of the mods clarified this for me: even if MSM states the name of the nurse, we are still not allowed to use her name until or unless she's been arrested or named as a POI.
I remember the same rule on the pig farmer in the Tibbetts case.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Just on the off chance my post wasn’t clear, the reason I suggested a recap of what we know about IN was to AVOID getting the thread shut down by people accidentally posting something that wasn’t officially “known” yet. It just seemed more efficient to me than six or eight posts to sort out whether or not something was reported by MSM or not yet. Didn’t mean to rock the boat. Sorry.