CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #25 *ARREST*

[GordianKnot]

She would qualify for the Stupidity Award of 2018

She could add that to her "2008 Rodeo Queen of the Magic Valley Stampede" title.

 

[Trudie]

Agreed.
And on T-giving... lots of people are calling/texting relatives and friends.
One would think he'd pick a day when it was a normal weekend with not much going on.

But her family & friends evidently did not call/text. IMO

 

[Jethro4WS]

Exactly! And how many cars were there during all this suspected cleanup? PK's truck, maybe even KK's vehicle. 10 days is a long time though. Do we know for sure that her vehicles did not move at all during this time?

We are not sure of anything like that since law enforcement has not stated anything about whether either of her vehicles moved during that time. However, both of her vehicles are modern and that means that law enforcement would be able to obtain information from the computer system in the vehicles that would tell them a history of when each vehicle was started, turned off, doors were opened or locked, and if either vehicle was started an bluetooth was enabled then they could also learn of any bluetooth enabled devices in the vicinity such as a smartphone provided it wasn't in airplane mode. That all said, it is entirely uncertain whether law enforcement actually obtained any information for either of her vehicles.

 

[legalmomma]

Sooo many posts, so little time. Where/When/Etc. were there discoveries and MSM that KK drove through Sonic on Nov 24th? Seriously I read here but cannot find a link.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I really can’t see a brutally violent (bloody) death done in her home for a long-planned crime, where the intent seemed to be to make it look like she took off traveling.

Unless things went terribly awry from whatever on earth the plan was. But it makes no sense to kill someone in such a manner as is being described by many and then remove the body. Why not leave her there to be found as a break-in/home invasion murder? Break some furniture, steal some items etc...all of that is less risky than carrying a body out and driving around with it. Jmo

You're right. He doesn't appear to be very bright.

He could have easily made it appear she was abducted by a sexual predator. He could have lured her out to a rural area with no security cameras by using a burner phone and asking her to pick him up because he had a flat tire. Once she was at the location, he could have strangled her, threw her body into his truck, punctured her car tire to make it appear she had a flat, and then driven off.

Geez....I've spent way too much time on Websleuths.

 

[LAHOLLA]

Sooo many posts, so little time. Where/When/Etc. were there discoveries and MSM that KK drove through Sonic on Nov 24th? Seriously I read here but cannot find a link.

99% sure it was on a live broadcast that has since been recorded over.

 

[Herat]

It might be that it had to be T-Day to get those few extra days. Make sure KB is going to be in CO & everyone else (if any) have time to coordinate their schedules, etc.
I’m sure if he asked KB/baby to get a tree or go to dinner it was nothing more than to keep her from making plans.
He sure wouldn’t want out of town help arriving only to find the planned victim was out of town.

And this would go along with the time planning that the texts to DOSS and PF gave him an extra week or so to clean up/ get organized / prepare alibis before CB got alarmed and KB was determined to be missing.

Remember KK was essential in this, by taking that phone to Gooding, ID

 

[Steelhead]

Cleanup. Moo

But the cinnamon rolls! If she was staying there would she not have eaten them?

 

[legalmomma]

OMG. I'm done. Let me know when WS becomes WS again and not FB

 

[jaspermac]

You're right. He doesn't appear to be very bright.

He could have easily made it appear she was abducted by a sexual predator. He could have lured her out to a rural area with no security cameras by using a burner phone and asking her to pick him up because he had a flat tire. Once she was at the location, he could have strangled her, threw her body into his truck, punctured her car tire to make it appear she had a flat, and then driven off.

Geez....I've spent way too much time on Websleuths.

Good idea, except he can't control who she calls on her cellphone as she is driving out to get him. Maybe a quick chat with mom, or a text complaining that she has to drive out to pick him up etc. That being said his plan was crap.

 

[NoeticSoul]

99% sure it was on a live broadcast that has since been recorded over.

It was a live local KRDO news broadcast this morning.

 

[NanZDrew]

The only problem I have with that theory, NanZ, is if you have the opportunity to do the kill yourself, you are full of rage. And wouldn't you want to hear every bit of hurt you were dishing out? I think PF was a cruel, cruel soul. And in his thinking, knocking her out, rendering her unconscious would quiet the very person he wanted so badly to hurt. Again, I don't know...purely speculation.
Geez Louise, this crime is psychological. Makes my head want to explode....which is NOT IMHO!

That is true. Sometimes mean guys will hurt a girl until she cries and then they feel they have won. The risk of being caught is high in those surroundings. Perhaps he choked her out and put a gag around her mouth. I wonder if we will ever find out the truth.

 

[Herat]

But her family & friends evidently did not call/text. IMO

We don't really know that, do we?

I recall CB said she called her for a recipe. And it doesnt sound like it was for cinnamon rolls.

I'll bet KB mentioned some T-Day and holiday plans to her mother. As PF was picking up the baby, was there something else KB was going to do?

From her info I see that she is very physically active: biking, hiking, running, kayaking. If she did not have Baby K that weekend by "pre-arrangement" with PF, was there something else she was going to do that would put her out of contact with her family for the 4 -day holiday?

 

[Blueberry2720]

Did anyone catch the line in this article that ABC confirmed KK is a "person of interest" in this investigation?

PICTURED: Female nurse, 32, 'who assisted killer fiance Patrick Frazee' | Daily Mail Online

 

[Oregon]

I really can’t see a brutally violent (bloody) death done in her home for a long-planned crime, where the intent seemed to be to make it look like she took off traveling.

Unless things went terribly awry from whatever on earth the plan was. But it makes no sense to kill someone in such a manner as is being described by many and then remove the body. Why not leave her there to be found as a break-in/home invasion murder? Break some furniture, steal some items etc...all of that is less risky than carrying a body out and driving around with it. Jmo

His anger has been building, and building, over several months...I imagine that his rage exploded...planned for that day or not...he couldn’t control it...then he and KL went into damage control.

 

[Trudie]

Sooo many posts, so little time. Where/When/Etc. were there discoveries and MSM that KK drove through Sonic on Nov 24th? Seriously I read here but cannot find a link.

@legalmomma try post 612 pg 31

 

[NanZDrew]

Been following this case but haven’t posted before so hope I’m following the rules. And trying to learn the acronyms!

I believe LE went back to KB’s place 2nd time with clear purpose. It was right after PF dropped “stuff” at the dump. Possibly LE retrieved PF’s tools and/or paint cans from the dump, which helped connect important dots. PF doesn’t strike me as thoughtful person who can connect the dots, thus he would try and get rid of tools or other items that contain KB’s DNA.

Don’t want to think this, but it is possible any tools LE retrieved from the dump were used by PF for “cleaning up” and to cut body parts. These tools would then have DNA on them and would possibly suggest to LE where to look inside KB’s townhouse.
Of course this is MOO.

Good post! Welcome!

 

[Trudie]

Did anyone catch thein this article that ABC confirmed KK is a "person of interest" in this investigation?

PICTURED: Female nurse, 32, 'who assisted killer fiance Patrick Frazee' | Daily Mail Online

Yes but is DM an approved source for us?

 

[Jethro4WS]

I would assume they have her vehicle all the way from Twin Falls to Woodland Park / Florrisant, and ALL the way back, with possibly some surveillance cam shots of the Gooding, ID area, unless she drove around there in the dark...

Sunset was 5:07pm in Gooding, ID on November 25th. The phone ping was 5:13pm.

 

[GordianKnot]

Surely there must have been at least trace evidence found in PF's truck.
He removed her body from that townhouse somehow.
Her remains, or what remains of her remains, are somewhere.

I hope LE can find her without having to make a deal with the devil.